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[dark10x]

no. the e3 build looked good. and the final game looked good, but it was still a downgrade.

This again? I hope you realize those shots you posted are pre-rendered video clips. That's not realtime. The changes made were entirely unrelated the in-game visuals which were not downgraded.

Those Uncharted shots are pure BS as a result.

What's the point in arguing over pre-rendered movie files?

The model was somewhat downgraded but from the looks of what's outside the window they changed the location of where this scene took place anyways. That probably changed their lighting decision as well.

Yep, they created a different movie file.

 

[Einchy]

Guh, that one hurt.

I remember bungle people saying that there was no change between both images.

 

[Guymelef]

its a level 5 thing. they did it with their latest game yokai watch too

That's like Ni No Kuni PS3 - Ni No Kuni 3DS differences.

 

[dark10x]

I don't think you have a clue how game development works... the last thing the game goes through is optimization, polishing and bug-testing. It's only when things come together is when they realize, okay, this is what we have and now we need to get it all working at our target framerate.

See, while you're correct about those things, that really does not apply here.

Am I going crazy? People are discussing a pre-rendered movie here. That scene could exist on PS2 as easily as a regular ass blu-ray player if they chose or anything else and it would be technically the same thing. There's nothing about that scene that required optimization because the PS3 was not rendering it in realtime.

The game itself looked EXACTLY like the reveal gameplay that was shown (ie - the burning mansion). There was never a downgrade to the realtime graphics, only the movie scene.

the problem with the debunking is that there is more than one image.

Challenge for you: find me a single downgraded scene taken from realtime gameplay rather than these pre-rendered movie scenes.

You guys are obsessing over this and I cannot fathom how nobody seemed to realize that it was never realtime to begin with.

 

[Dictator93]

I think Crysis was BS as well. When they showed it nobody had a system that could run it, then years later they finally release it very few people could run it, and it didn't look like what they showed. Years later you still have people claiming it was some holy grail of graphics for the PC from 2006. Well, I guess if by 2010 you can finally run the game more power to you.

Crysis was the holy grail of graphics. Most of the "downgrades" people are talking about in relation to Crysis has to do with TOD settings and the removal of one feature (the more intense 3d wave shader).

Seriously, load up Crysis 1 right now. Will look just as good if not better than some current gen launch titles.

 

[Ithil]

Is it just me or was there a subtle breast enlargement on the 'new' screenshot?

Judging by Lightning Returns, probably.

 

[dark10x]

Crysis was the holy grail of graphics. Most of the "downgrades" people are talking about in relation to Crysis has to do with TOD settings and the removal of one feature (the more intense 3d wave shader).

Seriously, load up Crysis 1 right now. Will look just as good if not better than some current gen launch titles.

Oh, it looks insanely good, but out of the box it does not match some of the footage they showed well before the game was released.

I actually do want to load it up again but it doesn't seem to work properly on Windows 8.1 at this point. :\

 

[Rex_Harrison]

Madden 06 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02ajPL3Kna4

It still doesn't look that good.

I hate this example. It always gets brought up in these types of discussions.

It's obviously not in real time. You can't play a football game with those camera angles/views. Also there's no place for zoom ins on players facial expressions during games.

If anyone thought for a second this was how Madden 06' was going to look, you're a damn fool. No football game will ever look like that, ever ! It wouldn't make any sense.

 

[HyperBitHero]

I don't get it.

Which one is from pre release?

Other than clothing and some cammera agles I don't see anything I would call a downgrade

You're going to look at that Talbot and say it looks the same quality?

 

[Silent D]

If we take concept art into consideration, Epic Mickey has to be there. The game was... a bit different than the concept art implied.

 

[LastNac]

Star Wars 1313.

E3 2012:

March 2014:

I couldn't hold back a smile. Well played, good sir.

 

[DrKelpo]

Fucking Spore.

What was one of the most hyped games out there back in 2005-2006 ended up as a mediocre game that was forgotten by everyone. This wasn't a downgrade in graphics so much as a downgrade in tone, art style, and gameplay.

I used to watch this video all the time. Now it's just a reminder of what could have been the best game ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dvMDFOFnA

like most of the peter molyneux game ... he's some kind of visionary but the final games rarely deliver...

/edit
sorry...confused will wright and peter there... but the sentence is true nonetheless

 

[EBE]

what is this? is this for ants? where can i find a larger version?

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

Crysis was the holy grail of graphics. Most of the "downgrades" people are talking about in relation to Crysis has to do with TOD settings and the removal of one feature (the more intense 3d wave shader).

Seriously, load up Crysis 1 right now. Will look just as good if not better than some current gen launch titles.

you know, I bet I can actuality run the game now as I do have a gtx760 and I'm sure it will run the game just fine in 2014. but a few years ago when I had my 460 the game ran like poop. The point is that you needed a top of the line rig, or very expensive one, from 2007 or 08 to run the game and even then it didn't look like some of the footage they showed at the early reveals.

the game was also far more linear than what I expected too.

 

[Fbh]

You're going to look at that Talbot and say it looks the same quality?

Looks to me like a slight character design change. The one on the right looks a bit more "cartoony".

But as for the graphical quality I don't see a change. The one on the left is too out of focus to see if anything was downgraded in terms of textures or detail

 

[Rex_Harrison]

Deep Down
I don't care what kind of lies you try to tell others and yourself here about it. I don't buy it. It's a HUGE difference
Just right down false advertising. Fucking disgusting.

From this

to this

You do realize it's going to be a free game right ?

As in you don't have to pay anything to play it. Is it possible to falsely advertise something that's going to be free. I guess I could advertise " Come to my store and receive a free Hot Dog" then when people come I could try and give away Chihuahua puppies that have been sitting in the sun ? No, that's not the same.

Why u mad ?

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Without the piss filter. The difference is quite dramatic between the two.

Interesting. In the previous comparison, I thought the final game looked better. "Piss filter" or not, the first column looked more washed out. But, in this example, the second column looks better than the final game too. So you gotta wonder why they added that filter. Artistic reasons?

 

[EmCeeGramr]

The Getaway had some of the most insane bullshottery.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

The Getaway had some of the most insane bullshottery.

Holy shit! This is really bad and blatant.

 

[Unreal]

The jungle scene from the first Crysis

Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIO7m3Dd4KA

 

[TEH-CJ]

Deep Down
I don't care what kind of lies you try to tell others and yourself here about it. I don't buy it. It's a HUGE difference
Just right down false advertising. Fucking disgusting.

From this

to this

I am sorry..but I do not see a big downgrade..infact Deep Down looks to be the best looking PS4 game so far..

maybe I am the only one?

 

[Eggbok]

I am sorry..but I do not see a big downgrade..infact Deep Down looks to be the best looking PS4 game so far..

maybe I am the only one?

I don't see it either, what is different from the dragon?.

 

[ButchCat]

I am sorry..but I do not see a big downgrade..infact Deep Down looks to be the best looking PS4 game so far..

maybe I am the only one?

Best looking PS4 game so far maybe but that doesn't mean the downgrade isn't there..and you can't blame the gamers for being fooled by Capcom.

 

[Eidan]

No. No it doesn't.


They litterllay had to downgrade the textures, lighting, shadows, etc for the final game because the PS3 hardware was downgraded.


That's like saying Crysis looks better on medium settings than very high, it's just incorrect.

All I see if a goofy looking Snake on the right, and a not goofy looking Snake on the left.

 

[airmangataosenai]

All I see if a goofy looking Snake on the right, and a not goofy looking Snake on the left.

If anything, the lighting was improved.

 

[dark_chris]

Hey guise, remember this cool looking Dante we almost got?

Instead we got

 

[dark10x]

Hey guise, remember this cool looking Dante we almost got?

Instead we got

That's kind of a matter of opinion. The older Dante looks like a goof to me. Don't like it at all.

 

[Astarte]

Hey guise, remember this cool looking Dante we almost got?

Instead we got

I personally prefer uncle Dante. TGS Dante looked pretty off.

 

[DinHerio]

Dark Souls 2:

http://imgur.com/a/iCHZD

[...]

PC Version ...

 

[not_so_special]

That was a tech demo, not a target. Huge difference.

was cgi..not a tech demo..i saw the real raven tech demo and was way worse

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Hey guise, remember this cool looking Dante we almost got?

Are you sure that isn't Donte?

 

[neurosisxeno]

I think Alien Colonial Marines is still the worst offender considering the game was actually running in real time and the finished product was hilariously broken and unplayable, as well as drastically changed to be terrible in every way.

 

[Ellite25]

Deep Down
I don't care what kind of lies you try to tell others and yourself here about it. I don't buy it. It's a HUGE difference
Just right down false advertising. Fucking disgusting.

From this

to this

Yeah but at least the game isn't out yet (or even coming out that soon).

And the last 3 pics from the now part look amazing.

 

[NastyBook]

the worst come from SONY


KILZONE 2

MOTORSTORM

and some others:

DEEP DOWN
WATCH DOGS

Holy Shit, 18 posts in and you are off to the races with the Sony hate.

Always wanted to call this cherry picking bullshit out for what it really is. U3, as a whole, is a gorgeous game. There are plenty of cutscenes that look on par with the E3 build shots. I'm particularly fond of the one in a million shot cutscene at night in Yemen.

 

[Coreda]

It's going to be The Division.

I haven't kept up with this, can anyone link to the downgrade?

 

[atr0cious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPMr0joaE6A

Too soon? Too soon

 

[kurahador]

Hey guise, remember this cool looking Dante we almost got?

Whaaatttt?? I didn't know this...HOLY SHIT lmao.

 

[JaseC]

I haven't kept up with this, can anyone link to the downgrade?

Note the future tense.

 

[Jawmuncher]

The only one I'll never forget is Motorstorm E3. That was just too good and honestly we have yet to see a cockpit view that intense.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Lair.

This one!!!!! Final game had scope, but it looked very rough.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Always wanted to call this cherry picking bullshit out for what it really is. U3, as a whole, is a gorgeous game. There are plenty of cutscenes that look on par with the E3 build shots. I'm particularly fond of the one in a million shot cutscene at night in Yemen.

Even if something did manage to match the E3 build (Been awhile since I played so I can't say}. Still doesn't excuse the parts that didn't.

 

[Stoze]

Wasn't that image debunked?

Irregardless, the final game ended up looking like this....

Because people are posting BS comparisons that were proven false?

Those UC3 comparisons are legit, here's some proof: http://youtu.be/TSR-ChO8ays?t=44m45s. Not trying to rekindle the downgrade argument, because like others have said the game looks fantastic, and the changes look to mainly stem from overall lighting and character model tweaks. Those are pictures from the game though, not sure why people don't think so.

 

[markot]

More like ubullshotsoft.

 

[omonimo]

Those UC3 comparisons are legit, here's some proof: http://youtu.be/TSR-ChO8ays?t=44m45s. Not trying to rekindle the downgrade argument, because like others have said the game looks fantastic, and the changes look to mainly stem from overall lighting and character model tweaks. Those are pictures from the game though, not sure why people don't think so.

Because these are pre record cut scenes, there is not a technical reason to downgrade a prerecord graphic, it's that tough to understand?:/

 

[velociraptor]

Metal Gear Solid Rising -> Metal Gear Rising Revengeance was the biggest downgrade in history

This.

Metal Gear Rising honestly looks like utter crap.

I hope Metal Gear Rising 2 actually looks half decent like the first video.

 

[velociraptor]

Dark Souls 2:

http://imgur.com/a/iCHZD

fuck, I hope this is a comparison between Dark Souls 2 PC and PS3.

The lighting in the original Dark Souls 2 gameplay looked stunning.

 

[nephilimdj]

Wasn't that Pokemon for Wii the worse one? Basically was a cgi of all attacks hitting and looked way beyond Wii graphics, instead got Pokemon stadium 3

 

[IrishNinja]

White Knight Chronicles TGS '06 trailer looked infinitely more interesting than what we ended up with

 

[Jaeger]

Hey guise, remember this cool looking Dante we almost got?

Instead we got

TGS Dante looks like Biff from BttF...

DMC4 Dante is better.

 

[dark10x]

fuck, I hope this is a comparison between Dark Souls 2 PC and PS3.

The lighting in the original Dark Souls 2 gameplay looked stunning.

I've seen it looking like that running on PS3 hardware. We're not sure why it's downgraded.