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[McFadge]

Yeah, but I think that supports my point? The fact that the engine doesn't have to load a bunch of new assets just for a cutscene it what enables you to skip the cutscene and get right back to the game, isn't it?

You're right, it definitely helps to go from A to B without loading C. The impressive thing is just how fast they can go from A to B, which sometimes gets ignored because people assume they do a bunch of background loading while you watch a cutscene.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Madden 06 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02ajPL3Kna4

It still doesn't look that good.

I see Madden 06 mentioned a lot in this regard, but you can tell that footage is clearly FMV. Did they specifically state it was in-game, or in-engine at the time?

 

[EmCeeGramr]

The CG trailer (that totally counts because Sony/Guerilla waffled on whether it was actually CG or achievable in real-time for a while) for Killzone 2 was insane.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I see Madden 06 mentioned a lot in this regard, but you can tell that footage is clearly FMV. Did they specifically state it was in-game, or in-engine at the time?

I believe it was a "target" video, which is still just as bs.

 

[Steve McQueen]

Surprised to see no mention of Aliens: Colonial Marines.

May not be the biggest downgrade but its still pretty big.

post 26

Downgrade is big, but even worse...game sucked.

 

[proccor]

This looks fake. I remember Uncharted 3 looking a lot better than what the pictures are showing. And don't remember any of this footage at E3... They showed the ship scene at E3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hSBOBymYGBc#t=2694

Nope, screenshot of the final product is real.

 

[colt45joe]

This looks fake. ...

e3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvpu003drCk#t=1m18s
final game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hSBOBymYGBc#t=2694

 

[danwarb]

motorstorm and kz2 by miles.

Only because early PS3 showings were CGI 'target renders' and not representative of the games. They should've have emphasised that at the time though.

 

[DrKelpo]

My vote is for Kinect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qlHoxPioM

absolutely this

still makes me kind of mad... i always get this "this is the future, controllers are dead"-vibe from it

i dont know....

and i met people who honestly believed this....100% accuracy, zero lag, chat with cloth-chosing etc..... sheesh...

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Deep down.

But then it re-upgraded.

I have no idea how that game will look when it finally releases. It could end up look just as good as the reveal at the rate it's improving.

 

[IcyBlueStrawberry]

The CG trailer (that totally counts because Sony/Guerilla waffled on whether it was actually CG or achievable in real-time for a while) for Killzone 2 was insane.

Yeah, it really is hard to top this.

Madden was bad, but at least the poly count was in check. Guerilla just straight up released a CG trailer that took days/weeks to render and let everyone believe that it was in-game.

 

[Kimosabae]

I don't know how it had more effects. The lighting wasn't dynamic anymore in lots of places. The beginning level of Halo 1 had some great lighting. Nothing came close to that on Halo 2.

It wasn't pushing more effects but Bungie tried to cram a bunch of new tech into the game Xbox wasn't ready for. Normal mapping looked gross.

But yeah, the lighting was awful too. Remember "Truth and Reconciliation"? The lighting and AI on display in that stage made me think Starship Troopers had finally arrived on consoles. Nothing has come close in that series let alone Halo 2.

God, I hate that game.

 

[Grief.exe]

The original pitch/trailer for Bioshock 1 sounded MUCH more ambitious than the actual game ended up being. Lots of focus on AI ("hundreds of ways to interact with them!"), interactivity of environments, etc.

http://ca.ign.com/videos/2006/09/20/bioshock-xbox-360-feature-commentary-developer-commentary

Also makes what Bioshock Infinite turned out to be ridiculously ironic.

 

[TyrantII]

Why do people keep saying this? The bottom versions are exactly how they look like in the game.

Seriously, load up the game, watch every LP on youtube, or find me an actual screenshot where it doesn't look like the latter.

You do realize those are all from pre-rendered cut scenes, right? how does pre-rendered CGI get a "downgrade"?...

They made different rendering decisions there, but it's not what were talking about here, nor what most mean when they talk of in-game downgrades...

 

[TyrantII]

The CG trailer (that totally counts because Sony/Guerilla waffled on whether it was actually CG or achievable in real-time for a while) for Killzone 2 was insane.

But they pulled it off. Graphically at least.

Only thing that didn't quite make it were the animations (never was gonna compete) and the RPG smoke effects.

 

[moltonasty]

Dug up some old gifs

ughh, those gifs make me sad as hell. that fake game looked so great.

 

[Chill Penguin]

But they pulled it off. Graphically at least.

Only thing that didn't quite make it were the animations (never was gonna compete) and the RPG smoke effects.

It's really Motorstorm that was the worse offender of the two. The final build was a huuge downgrade from the target render. That E3 2005 target render is more something i would expect from a PS4 Motorstorm.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

You do realize those are all from pre-rendered cut scenes, right? how does pre-rendered CGI get a "downgrade"?...

As I mentioned before, weren't they rendered in-engine? That's my recollection from what I recall hearing. Which means, if there were restrictions placed on the engine itself, they would reflect in the cut-scenes too.

 

[Lasthope106]

Some of this shit is starting to make me afraid for Witcher 3. Anybody got comparisons between E3 reveal TW2 and retail TW2? I think retail TW2 actually ended up looking slightly better.

If there is one studio to have hope that they will actually deliver it's CDPR.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Every Fable game, but especially the first one, promised to be a hugely innovative, highly dynamic experience. The Molyneux hype train is largely responsible for this, but even with all of the over-hype, I can't help but feel like the Fable series is a pale imitation of what it was intended to be.

 

[Phediuk]

Red Steel and Spore both come to mind.

 

[shadowstar]

Console gaming ruining the artistic vision of developers.

 

[meanspartan]

the worst come from SONY


KILZONE 2

MOTORSTORM

and some others:

DEEP DOWN
WATCH DOGS

LOL dude your short post history is like 100% anti-Sony or pro-Microsoft.

 

[def sim]

Some of this shit is starting to make me afraid for Witcher 3. Anybody got comparisons between E3 reveal TW2 and retail TW2? I think retail TW2 actually ended up looking slightly better.

The Witcher 3 is going to look as it did in E3. CDPR doesn't mess around!

ughh, those gifs make me sad as hell. that fake game looked so great.

I'm playing through this right now. Even if it looked liked that, I don't think I would be enjoying myself any more than I am.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

But they pulled it off. Graphically at least.

Only thing that didn't quite make it were the animations (never was gonna compete) and the RPG smoke effects.

No, they did not. The polygon count and image quality are through the roof in the CG trailer in ways that even modern games on the new consoles can't achieve.

 

[StuBurns]

Was the Killzone thing ever actually presented as the game? From my memory, it wasn't even called Killzone 2.

 

[Synth]

forza 5?

Definitely amongst the worst offenders I've ever seen. I remember before thinking that the idea of Driveclub looking better was hilarious... How things change.

You do realize those are all from pre-rendered cut scenes, right? how does pre-rendered CGI get a "downgrade"?...

They made different rendering decisions there, but it's not what were talking about here, nor what most mean when they talk of in-game downgrades...

Isn't the idea that these cutscenes are meant to be seamless though? So if the realtime representation of these characters and areas are downgraded, the CG representation of them would be as well right? Many people aren't aware that the cutscenes in games like Uncharted, Halo 4, Ryse etc are prerendered. They would be far more likely to notice if there was a more obvious disparity between the cutscenes and what they actually play.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Sonic 06

Instead we got:

 

[Chill Penguin]

Was the Killzone thing ever actually presented as the game? From my memory, it wasn't even called Killzone 2.

It was a pretty dishonest series of trailers. They definitely tried to fool people into thinking it was all in game and that's what it was going to look like. Glad that era Sony is gone.

 

[dmr87]

If there is one studio to have hope that they will actually deliver it's CDPR.

I haven't seen Witcher 2 on the 360 in person but it looked pretty fucking good if I remember correctly, considering the hardware.

 

[DigitalDevilSummoner]

Deep down.

The initial video was a tech demo.

KZ 2 (and at parts FF 13) initial trailer were CG.

 

[rvy]

This was the shits.

Not even the dead can know peace from this evil.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

This is:

Battle system and real-time character model aside, here's that location in the final game. Beside the change in art style it looks the same if not better.

Dem clouds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_zL0K9qmvs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H_zL0K9qmvs#t=550

 

[TyrantII]

No, they did not. The polygon count and image quality are through the roof in the CG trailer in ways that even modern games on the new consoles can't achieve.

Go back and check it out. I find a lot of people overestimate how "good" the CGI actually was when compared to the actual game and their own memory of that trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsNudumdzzg

It really wasn't as impressive as we seem to remember it.

 

[HueyFreeman]

Was the Killzone thing ever actually presented as the game? From my memory, it wasn't even called Killzone 2.

I believe they did state it was in game hence why people were pissed. And it was definitely referred to as KZ2.

There's absolutely no way it's the deepest downgrade of all time though (White Knigth Chronicles anyone?) and the game still ended up looking phenomenal. Sometimes you just gotta brush this PR nonsense aside and enjoy the product that's actually sitting in front of you.

Basically just never trust a reveal trailer, especially at launch.

This was the shits.

Not even the dead can know peace from this evil.

Not really fair, if you compare cinematics, it looks closer. But yeah, MGS4 definitely underwent some serious transformation on it's rocky road to release.

 

[polyh3dron]

Yeah MGS4 was quite a big downgrade. Reveal trailer was 60FPS and looked considerably better.

 

[IcyBlueStrawberry]

But they pulled it off. Graphically at least.

Only thing that didn't quite make it were the animations (never was gonna compete) and the RPG smoke effects.

No offense, but it blows my mind that, to this day, there are people who genuinely think that the final product looked better than the CG trailer they released at E3.

I understand that everyone has a subjective view of things, but this shouldn't be a point of contention for anyone blessed with the gift of vision.

EDIT: Aaaannd right on cue...

I'm gonna say this (and probably get a lot of flak for it), but Killzone 2 looked better than the pre rendered trailer.

 

[Gustav]

I'm gonna say this (and probably get a lot of flak for it), but Killzone 2 looked better than the pre rendered trailer.

 

[Shogmaster]

If anybody considers mentioning Halo 2, they would be WRONG.

Dude, I love Halo but that shit was so obvious and their own fault! The reveal ran on 128MB RAM devkits at near max. On 64MB consoles, it had no chance of running as is.

That's a big dum dum oops that didn't need to happen.

 

[rvy]

Yeah MGS4 was quite a big downgrade. Reveal trailer was 60FPS and looked considerably better.

Snake moves like a robot, it's ridiculous.

 

[Ceebs]

The moral of this thread should be "Never trust an E3 Demo to represent the final game. Ever."

 

[StuBurns]

I believe they did state it was in game hence why people were pissed. And it was definitely referred to as KZ2.

Maybe, the trailer certainly just says Killzone though.

 

[Kimosabae]

I'm gonna say this (and probably get a lot of flak for it), but Killzone 2 looked better than the pre rendered trailer.

You're not alone, there's a defense force for this.






I'm not part of it.

 

[rashbeep]

No offense, but it blows my mind that, to this day, there are people who genuinely think that the final product looked better than the CG trailer they released at E3.

I understand that everyone has a subjective view of things, but this shouldn't be a point of contention for anyone blessed with the gift of vision.

I'm gonna say this (and probably get a lot of flak for it), but Killzone 2 looked better than the pre rendered trailer.

Love how these posts are right next to each other.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

Not really fair, if you compare cinematics, it looks closer. But yeah, MGS4 definitely underwent some serious transformation on it's rocky road to release.

To be fair PS3 (before launch) was being hyped as a super beast before the inevitable downgrade just before release

 

[Flandy]

Are there any threads with gafs reaction to the first Final Fantasy XIII or Versus XIII trailer? Would love to see how gaf reacted

 

[Otakumegane]

We need an opposite of this thread.

Spoiler

Windwaker being the best. Come at me.

I gotta say the Little Busters thing is too great.

 

[StuBurns]

Are there any threads with gafs reaction to the first Final Fantasy XIII or Versus XIII trailer? Would love to see how gaf reacted

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98549

 

[TyrantII]

No offense, but it blows my mind that, to this day, there are people who genuinely think that the final product looked better than the CG trailer they released at E3.

I understand that everyone has a subjective view of things, but this shouldn't be a point of contention for anyone blessed with the gift of vision.

Not hard playing the game. GG has never been a slouch in the graphics and technical department, regardless of the questionable quality of the stories they try to tell.

Again; what Sony/GG did was wrong and I'm glad the BS has stopped, but the CGI trailer wasn't that great looking either. The game I bought delivered quite well up on my 70" screen in direct comparison to it.

 

[Majukun]

the first red steel comes to mind