Cravis
Member
Very true.
Someone else mentioned it on here but I sure hope they don’t pull a “it was meant for their daughters to do it all along!” BS.
Wonder how they’ll retcon Little Bill and Little Ted?
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Someone else mentioned it on here but I sure hope they don’t pull a “it was meant for their daughters to do it all along!” BS.
Wonder how they’ll retcon Little Bill and Little Ted?
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Any word on how much it is to stream? Hopefully not $30 like that Mulan movie.
jshackles
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Vudu has the rental for $20, purchase in UHD for $25.
Or a bundle with all three movies in UHD for $35.
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nush
Gold Member
Trans now.
Cravis
Member
Well fuck..... I only wanted to know one thing about this movie. I couldn’t wait to watch it. I got my answer from Wikipedia.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
It’s total horse shit.
I know we joked that “oh no it’s really the daughters” thinking nah they wouldn’t do that. MOTHERFUCKERS did it!! The Preston and Logan who write the song is their daughters! Not Bill and Ted!!
As someone who grew up and loves the original it doesn’t make sense. None at all. They had one job and they fucked it up. Might as well go back and cgi in the changes into the original excellent adventure. I mean in the future there were holograms of Bill and ted. They told bill and ted they bring peace to the world.
I should have known it when they retconned them having sons and instead made them have daughters.
No wonder this has such high praise on rotten tomatoes and is fresh.
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Still going to watch this but, dammit, it’s not right.
I know we joked that “oh no it’s really the daughters” thinking nah they wouldn’t do that. MOTHERFUCKERS did it!! The Preston and Logan who write the song is their daughters! Not Bill and Ted!!
As someone who grew up and loves the original it doesn’t make sense. None at all. They had one job and they fucked it up. Might as well go back and cgi in the changes into the original excellent adventure. I mean in the future there were holograms of Bill and ted. They told bill and ted they bring peace to the world.
I should have known it when they retconned them having sons and instead made them have daughters.
No wonder this has such high praise on rotten tomatoes and is fresh.
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Still going to watch this but, dammit, it’s not right.
cryptoadam
Banned
I called it. Knew this was going to happen you could see it from a mile away.
Anyways if anyone knows about eye patch wearing parrot and peg leg guys watching this movie let me know. I figure its made its way to some buried treasure sites somewhere?
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
It is already present in the cove. Tbh though after seeing the post above I'm not sure I'll even bother pirating it.
Corpsepyre
Banned
It was a fun little feel-good comedy. Not sure why you're crying over that bit because I was perfectly fine with how it played out. It wasn't like they tossed our two characters on the curb. Watch the film at the very least before making your mind up.
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Corpsepyre
Banned
edit: nvm
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
Not sure I can handle another movie where the men from my youth all end up failures
It’s getting old at this point. This shit is testing my nostalgia.
It’s getting old at this point. This shit is testing my nostalgia.
Just watched it. Loved the Bill and Ted movies. Even okay with the daughters. Did not care for the
On one hand it was nice to see them in action, on the other hand, you just cant beat the ending of Bogus Journey.
new Robot character though, and hated how it does ruin the whole aspect of what Bill and Ted were responsible for.
On one hand it was nice to see them in action, on the other hand, you just cant beat the ending of Bogus Journey.
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Space Runaway
Member
Kinda blah and got a little boring for me toward the end. Whole thing was super cheapo like Pee-wee's Big Holiday.
Alex Winter can still do Bill great while Keanu's Ted is, well, old. That Keanu Reeves immortal meme isn't surviving this movie. Still, Bill and Ted doing their shtick was easily the best part(s) of the movie.
Stuff you've heard is true though I have a lot of general issues unrelated to that and several questions about aspects you're probably not meant to question, yet, I dunno. At best I'm kinda feel indifferent about this. If you don't expect much or care about the retcons then Bill and Ted doing their thing can probably carry you through it. Blah
Alex Winter can still do Bill great while Keanu's Ted is, well, old. That Keanu Reeves immortal meme isn't surviving this movie. Still, Bill and Ted doing their shtick was easily the best part(s) of the movie.
Stuff you've heard is true though I have a lot of general issues unrelated to that and several questions about aspects you're probably not meant to question, yet, I dunno. At best I'm kinda feel indifferent about this. If you don't expect much or care about the retcons then Bill and Ted doing their thing can probably carry you through it. Blah
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kurisu_1974
Banned
What a lame flick, hated the quirky daughter pair, movie lacked funny and good music, could have done much more with a more straightforward plot too.
This should have been left in the dusty cabinets of our youth.
This should have been left in the dusty cabinets of our youth.
Danteyke223
Member
It's a fun comedy movie with good jokes and its barely a retcon. Bill and Ted still play the song. The daughters are also morons in the movie, people need stop crying here about spilled milk lol
Corpsepyre
Banned
+1
It was a perfectly fine comedy, and I wasn't expecting anything more. Loved seeing old Bill and Ted.
Revolutionary
Gold Member
Watched it tonight. It was alright. Not as good or funny as the originals, but it still had its moments. Best part for me was the Dave Grohl scene.
Edit: Also, for a story that is largely centered on music, there isn't any memorable music in it. It's only been a few hours and I've already forgotten what THE song sounds like. Meanwhile, when I think of Excellent Adventure, I immediately recall that great/weird futuristic intro set to some sweet 80's tunes.
Edit: Also, for a story that is largely centered on music, there isn't any memorable music in it. It's only been a few hours and I've already forgotten what THE song sounds like. Meanwhile, when I think of Excellent Adventure, I immediately recall that great/weird futuristic intro set to some sweet 80's tunes.
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chris121580
Member
I thought it was great. Really enjoyed it and what I wanted from it after all this time. Apparently I’m one of the few who loved Anthony Carrigan as the robot and Death was great as expected. Only complaint was Ted’s daughter was a bit much
Sleepydays
Banned
Was going to give this a try, but apparently they are going after the lucrative 'people who want a retconned, woke ending to a cult film made 30 years ago' audience.
Corpsepyre
Banned
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Calcium
Banned
Yeah, you're right. Completely retconning them to have daughters wasn't politically motivated whatsoever.
Corpsepyre
Banned
I just find it really funny that this is such a huge problem. Have it your way.
jshackles
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Most excellent movie. I really enjoyed it a lot for what it was. Bill and Ted was always a bit of a low-budget buddy comedy, and this is actually a really well done movie that carries on the legacy of the first two.
cryptoadam
Banned
Horrible lol. This is what passes as a movie today.
It was the cheapest looking thing. Worse thant sci fi chanel.
The daughters are just rip offs of their fathers but really bad. And of course they are mary sues.
Anyways i will avoid spoilers but ya sucked.
It was the cheapest looking thing. Worse thant sci fi chanel.
The daughters are just rip offs of their fathers but really bad. And of course they are mary sues.
Anyways i will avoid spoilers but ya sucked.
Stouffers
Banned
Just for that, I’m voting Biden.
captainraincoat
Banned
I enjoyed this movie....it’s precisely what people and I wanted.....I loved how they kept the missy storyline going
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slugbahr
Unconfirmed Member
Thanks to all the posters who have spoiled the movie!
You rock!
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You rock!
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LaughingStock
Member
Well, it's 2020. You can't avoid.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Ah cripes.
captainraincoat
Banned
If you liked the first to movies you will like this and it has some genuinely funny parts
i dont think its as clever as the second movie but its good in its own way
This movie probably wont appeal to anyone who was not fans of the first 2 movies
the only thing i didnt like was
i dont think its as clever as the second movie but its good in its own way
This movie probably wont appeal to anyone who was not fans of the first 2 movies
the only thing i didnt like was
They should of kept that character straight and let him simply kill off everyone....they then could of bought back the robot bill and teds to defeat it
Danteyke223
Member
How the fuck are the daughters being touted as Mary Sues in this forum ? They are dead beat losers, and infact worse than their fathers when you think about it. At least Bill and Ted created a successfull band out of high school . These two are 24 and live in their garage. The entire end of the movie literally spells out that the song was not important it was the fact that everybody played it all at once was important. It's a fun comedy movie, but holy shit sometimes this place is the Anti-Sjw equivalent of REEE ERA. Where everything is a conspiracy and every piece of media is anti-man.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Just saw it, thought the first 30-40 minutes it was moving along nicely, loved the introduction of a certain brilliant guitarist also so I was enjoying it, then I felt it fell apart and ended up feeling disappointed as the credits rolled. I like the first two but not this, even the return of a certain character from Bogus Journey wasn’t as entertaining for me. 6/10.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I liked them personally, Teds daughter in particular was good to watch. I honestly can’t say I liked it as much as the other two, the daughters weren’t the problem for me.
gradient
Resident Cheap Arse
So this was awful.
A cheap, predictable regurgitation of the first two movies lacking any semblance of original concepts to move the story forward. It's just yet another cash-in late sequel that has no business being connected with the orignals and has the kind of script and unoriginality that in past times would have consigned it to straight to supermarket bargain basket video hell where it belongs.
What a mess. That was time I really regret wasting.
A cheap, predictable regurgitation of the first two movies lacking any semblance of original concepts to move the story forward. It's just yet another cash-in late sequel that has no business being connected with the orignals and has the kind of script and unoriginality that in past times would have consigned it to straight to supermarket bargain basket video hell where it belongs.
What a mess. That was time I really regret wasting.
Ionian
Member
Just finished it, I expected nothing and actually really enjoyed it.
Just dumb fun like the originals and I think they pulled it off, post-credits scene was great.
Not like the originals were Oscar-worthy but I think it's definitely worth a look on a lazy afternoon.
(The Mary Sue comment about the daughters is just plain stupid)
Just dumb fun like the originals and I think they pulled it off, post-credits scene was great.
Not like the originals were Oscar-worthy but I think it's definitely worth a look on a lazy afternoon.
(The Mary Sue comment about the daughters is just plain stupid)
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
Fuck it - wife's away, nothing better to do so I'm going to watch it. I'll follow it with the Jay and Silent Bob reboot tomorrow. This might be a bad idea...
carlosrox
Banned
Look forward to watching it again. I'll buy it eventually, a 4k disc would be nice.
I'm mildly peeved by the minor (?) retcon(s?) otherwise I enjoyed it. The various versions of Bill and Ted were really fun and IMO kinda stole the show. Death was unfortunately a bit disappointing and felt underused but it was still good to see him again.
Dennis was a silly, dorky character just like Death was so I enjoyed him too.
But a certain version of Bill & Ted and the post credits scene were my highlights. They were perfect.
I'm mildly peeved by the minor (?) retcon(s?) otherwise I enjoyed it. The various versions of Bill and Ted were really fun and IMO kinda stole the show. Death was unfortunately a bit disappointing and felt underused but it was still good to see him again.
Dennis was a silly, dorky character just like Death was so I enjoyed him too.
But a certain version of Bill & Ted and the post credits scene were my highlights. They were perfect.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
So.. I watched it so you don't have to.
There are spoilers - I'm just going to put the whole fucking thing in a spoiler tag because I'm tired and lazy. Enter at your peril. These are the thoughts straight from my brain, unfiltered, about 10 minutes after watching, there will be inaccuracies and shitfuckups.
No doubt that write-up could use some editing, some tightening up, but it's late and I'm tired. Short spoiler-free version:
- They're not Mary-Sues but they didn't earn what they got
- Keanu got old and phoned it in
- The chemistry is gone
- You can't replace Carlin with Schaal - as much as I love her in other things Carlin is unique
- Some diversity casting but wokeness isn't the problem
- They waited too fucking long.
There are spoilers - I'm just going to put the whole fucking thing in a spoiler tag because I'm tired and lazy. Enter at your peril. These are the thoughts straight from my brain, unfiltered, about 10 minutes after watching, there will be inaccuracies and shitfuckups.
So we have another Bill And Ted movie - Bogus Journey was in 1991. Fucking hell I feel old. 29 years, and as much as those first two films were, for better and worse (mostly better) products of their times, so is this one. It is also a product of the fact that Keanu and Alex are not young men anymore. Keanu especially is showing his age, and he's just not Ted anymore, nor can he remember who Ted was or how to be him. To Thea's credit, she tries very hard to be Ted, and has clearly watched the original films, but it comes off as a really bad cover version, a cliche.
Billie is better. She is not imitating Bill of old, or certainly not to the same degree, and is reasonably likeable. I wouldn't say I dislike either of them but I can't say I warmed to them in the same way I warmed to Bill and Ted in the original movies, but then again it's lightning in a bottle - expecting to recapture that magic 30 years later is optimistic.
Keanu is old, and it shows in a phoned-in performance. The interviews where they discuss switching from sons to daughters because back then they were young and stupid feels like they're disrespecting their past selves, which begs the question why make this movie?
The girls get to do the standard go through time and collect historical figures schtick feeling like a rehash of the first film, though for me it lacks the charm and that's partly because we know how it's going to go, partly because the characters know they're retreading an old path, and partly because, as mentioned before, you can't catch lightning in a bottle again (perhaps a warning here that the new Ghostbusters is equally unlikely to succeed, though I think Bill & Ted have particular issues that make it harder to make this film).
The boys.. so they go through time looking for the song from their past selves, a voyage that turns out to be as pointless as the trip to the casino in The Last Jedi, just a side journey that doesn't matter in the end, a way of filling screen time. The make-up for the various versions of their various future selves is poor, and yes I know the original films weren't amazing in their effects but really this is about the level of a Doctor Who episode mostly.
There is fan service - the brief Rufus hologram moment, but that only serves to highlight that this film has nothing new. It's just treading old ground. The future is sterile and dull, a world devoid of excitement, the leadership group is predictably diverse, with not a white male in sight, and yet I don't think wokeness is what spoils the movie. There's an emphasis on black musicians, I think the only white male they got was the obligatory classical musician (because there weren't any black ones) but that's ok - Louis Armstrong and Jimi Hendrix earned their place in the pantheon of greats long ago. Side characters are ok, Kirsten Schaal is normally someone I quite like, but she doesn't really pull it off in this movie, though it doesn't help that she's taking over from a great like Carlin - a philosopher with a sense of humour was the perfect man for the part. Kirsten is quirky. The robot.. they did play on the obvious Terminator rip-off early on with a few musical cues but turning him into a crap Woody Allen just didn't do it for me.
In a way I understand why they had to do it with them handing over to the next generation, I'm not sure how you'd do any other story given the 30 years between films. They're too old to rock out, and they do at least acknowledge that, and of course to have a hero's journey you must first have the hero fail, be placed in peril, etc. The problem is they never get to be the hero, instead the girls do, and yet they never truly earn it (they aren't Mary Sues by any means but they're not super-interesting either). Their adventure is never as Excellent, nor their journey as bogus, as those of Bill And Ted, no real highs or lows of interest, just a series of set pieces that don't really go anywhere.
The truth is they waited too long. If they were going to do a sequel to Bogus Adventure they should have done it in the 90s, but doing it in the 20s comes with baggage - the wokeness which isn't necessarily in your face but it does mean the casting will have missed opportunities, but the big problem is simply that they waited too long. The chemistry is gone. Keanu and Alex sparked off each other in those original films in ways that are missing now, because they're not young men who will party together, going out and doing crazy shit. They're old guys, with wives and families, who likely haven't seen each other in years, both have moved on and you can't just bring the magic back. Once it's gone, it's gone.
So they waited 30 years.. what could they have done? Well, they had the right idea in having them washed up. Like I said before, heroes journey. You have them perhaps going through time to find new musical influences, learning new musical tricks, sure that becomes a rehash of doing their homework in one night but it at least makes sense and gives them a journey. It all comes together when they fuse classical with rock with modern synthesizers maybe, I don't know, I'm not a writer - I lack that talent. However, if they save the world, they've fucking earned it. They've been through adventures in two films and a third set of trials, and if they save the world they've earned it. That said, because of the time passed, I'm not sure there was a good way to do this film. In the end it makes me sad, reminding me of what's gone, of what can never be again, of wonderful people lost (Carlin), of chemistry gone, it reminds me that we're all getting fucking old, it presumably set out to do none of those things - it presumably set out to give us old farts one last run-out, maybe some execs wanted to start a franchise (but really the story is too personal, too tied to the chemistry between Keanu and Alex to ever be a franchise), but in the end it's just a big bag of nothing.
Billie is better. She is not imitating Bill of old, or certainly not to the same degree, and is reasonably likeable. I wouldn't say I dislike either of them but I can't say I warmed to them in the same way I warmed to Bill and Ted in the original movies, but then again it's lightning in a bottle - expecting to recapture that magic 30 years later is optimistic.
Keanu is old, and it shows in a phoned-in performance. The interviews where they discuss switching from sons to daughters because back then they were young and stupid feels like they're disrespecting their past selves, which begs the question why make this movie?
The girls get to do the standard go through time and collect historical figures schtick feeling like a rehash of the first film, though for me it lacks the charm and that's partly because we know how it's going to go, partly because the characters know they're retreading an old path, and partly because, as mentioned before, you can't catch lightning in a bottle again (perhaps a warning here that the new Ghostbusters is equally unlikely to succeed, though I think Bill & Ted have particular issues that make it harder to make this film).
The boys.. so they go through time looking for the song from their past selves, a voyage that turns out to be as pointless as the trip to the casino in The Last Jedi, just a side journey that doesn't matter in the end, a way of filling screen time. The make-up for the various versions of their various future selves is poor, and yes I know the original films weren't amazing in their effects but really this is about the level of a Doctor Who episode mostly.
There is fan service - the brief Rufus hologram moment, but that only serves to highlight that this film has nothing new. It's just treading old ground. The future is sterile and dull, a world devoid of excitement, the leadership group is predictably diverse, with not a white male in sight, and yet I don't think wokeness is what spoils the movie. There's an emphasis on black musicians, I think the only white male they got was the obligatory classical musician (because there weren't any black ones) but that's ok - Louis Armstrong and Jimi Hendrix earned their place in the pantheon of greats long ago. Side characters are ok, Kirsten Schaal is normally someone I quite like, but she doesn't really pull it off in this movie, though it doesn't help that she's taking over from a great like Carlin - a philosopher with a sense of humour was the perfect man for the part. Kirsten is quirky. The robot.. they did play on the obvious Terminator rip-off early on with a few musical cues but turning him into a crap Woody Allen just didn't do it for me.
In a way I understand why they had to do it with them handing over to the next generation, I'm not sure how you'd do any other story given the 30 years between films. They're too old to rock out, and they do at least acknowledge that, and of course to have a hero's journey you must first have the hero fail, be placed in peril, etc. The problem is they never get to be the hero, instead the girls do, and yet they never truly earn it (they aren't Mary Sues by any means but they're not super-interesting either). Their adventure is never as Excellent, nor their journey as bogus, as those of Bill And Ted, no real highs or lows of interest, just a series of set pieces that don't really go anywhere.
The truth is they waited too long. If they were going to do a sequel to Bogus Adventure they should have done it in the 90s, but doing it in the 20s comes with baggage - the wokeness which isn't necessarily in your face but it does mean the casting will have missed opportunities, but the big problem is simply that they waited too long. The chemistry is gone. Keanu and Alex sparked off each other in those original films in ways that are missing now, because they're not young men who will party together, going out and doing crazy shit. They're old guys, with wives and families, who likely haven't seen each other in years, both have moved on and you can't just bring the magic back. Once it's gone, it's gone.
So they waited 30 years.. what could they have done? Well, they had the right idea in having them washed up. Like I said before, heroes journey. You have them perhaps going through time to find new musical influences, learning new musical tricks, sure that becomes a rehash of doing their homework in one night but it at least makes sense and gives them a journey. It all comes together when they fuse classical with rock with modern synthesizers maybe, I don't know, I'm not a writer - I lack that talent. However, if they save the world, they've fucking earned it. They've been through adventures in two films and a third set of trials, and if they save the world they've earned it. That said, because of the time passed, I'm not sure there was a good way to do this film. In the end it makes me sad, reminding me of what's gone, of what can never be again, of wonderful people lost (Carlin), of chemistry gone, it reminds me that we're all getting fucking old, it presumably set out to do none of those things - it presumably set out to give us old farts one last run-out, maybe some execs wanted to start a franchise (but really the story is too personal, too tied to the chemistry between Keanu and Alex to ever be a franchise), but in the end it's just a big bag of nothing.
No doubt that write-up could use some editing, some tightening up, but it's late and I'm tired. Short spoiler-free version:
- They're not Mary-Sues but they didn't earn what they got
- Keanu got old and phoned it in
- The chemistry is gone
- You can't replace Carlin with Schaal - as much as I love her in other things Carlin is unique
- Some diversity casting but wokeness isn't the problem
- They waited too fucking long.
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Stouffers
Banned
I disagree.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
That’s nice for you.
Stouffers
Banned
I agree.
cryptoadam
Banned
Because the movie sets them up as being music experts in the garage scene. Then them gathering everyone is basically a bunch of 2 minutes scenes where they do nothing. Heck the last 2 they recruit they are 10 second scenes just brushed over. And at the end well not to ruin anything but they didn't do anything to earn beaing the leaders.
My bigger problem was the daughters had no characters outside of female version of B&T. They didn't have an arc or grow. I mean they could of at least gone with the basic opposite of their fathers and love books hate music so they don't understand each other and then they learn through wacky time travel to find a middle ground where you can love music and love books and combine that to make the ulitmate world saving song. Just made a better movie right there.
cryptoadam
Banned
This was also the cheapest looking movie I have seen in a long time.
When the time machine shows up and they go to the future I was laughing hysterically. Honestly looks like they filmed this thing in 2 weeks for half a million dollars. No one cared.
When the time machine shows up and they go to the future I was laughing hysterically. Honestly looks like they filmed this thing in 2 weeks for half a million dollars. No one cared.