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Bioshock Infinite | Official Spoiler Thread |
- Thread starter BruceLeeRoy
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The Everyman
you miss and hit comstock, the screen fades to black.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Were all cursed to live out this loop.
Would anyone agree on this?
System Shock 2: Greatest Aspect was the rpg shooter Gameplay
Bioshock 1: Greatest Aspect was the atmosphere and world design (hub style) of Rapture
Bioshock Infinite: Greatest aspect was the Narrative.
To me, if Bioshock 1 didn't fall flat 3/4th of the way, it would probably win. But the fact that Infinite started off strong, lulled a bit in between, but managed to find it's momentum with an incredible ending tops it over Bio 1 for me.
I would say though if Bioshock 1 narrative problem was everything AFTER the twist, than I would say Infinite narrative problem is the things in between.
Still as a developer, who seemingly respects and listens to feedback (he acknowledged everything after Bio1 twist was bullcrap and acknowledged that the ending was poor and rushed) rather than ignore it (like some developers tend to do), I imagine that Infinite flaws will lead him a step closer in achieving the creation of a near "perfect game".
If there was ever a developer I would bet on, ever getting a 99 on metacritic, it would definitely be hands down Mr. Levine
System Shock 2: Greatest Aspect was the rpg shooter Gameplay
Bioshock 1: Greatest Aspect was the atmosphere and world design (hub style) of Rapture
Bioshock Infinite: Greatest aspect was the Narrative.
To me, if Bioshock 1 didn't fall flat 3/4th of the way, it would probably win. But the fact that Infinite started off strong, lulled a bit in between, but managed to find it's momentum with an incredible ending tops it over Bio 1 for me.
I would say though if Bioshock 1 narrative problem was everything AFTER the twist, than I would say Infinite narrative problem is the things in between.
Still as a developer, who seemingly respects and listens to feedback (he acknowledged everything after Bio1 twist was bullcrap and acknowledged that the ending was poor and rushed) rather than ignore it (like some developers tend to do), I imagine that Infinite flaws will lead him a step closer in achieving the creation of a near "perfect game".
If there was ever a developer I would bet on, ever getting a 99 on metacritic, it would definitely be hands down Mr. Levine
ii Stryker
Banned
It was all a dream!!
unknownhero
Member
so, how do you know when you played too much bioshock(and MG:Rising)? you have a dream where you are raiden and you are facing off against songbird to "rules of nature".
anyways, I beaten it last night and I loved the ending but I have a question. When booker confronted comstock, were they still in the vox dominated timeline? I thought comstock died in that timeline or was I mistaken?
anyways, I beaten it last night and I loved the ending but I have a question. When booker confronted comstock, were they still in the vox dominated timeline? I thought comstock died in that timeline or was I mistaken?
My just finished the game thoughts; totally called the ending although my freind did a good job of making me dout myself. I didn't like vigors as much as plasmids ie telekinesis is more satisfying than any vigor. I miss the horror elements of bs1 also two weapons at a time upset me and no spear gun boo. That first gameplay target video is depressing to watch now, all this aside I enjoyed the game very much I will buy the dlc and I started a new game straight away. Ps dat barber shop.
TriniTrin
war of titties grampa
Damn this loop! Someone go drown someone before this ever happened!
You're mistaken. The Vox had Comstock on the run, but he wasn't dead yet. His scalp was the last one missing. I assume that's why his flaghship was on the run: to avoid the onslaught of the Vox.
TriniTrin
war of titties grampa
it would've been rapture in the sky.
That's not a step forward imo.
Besides, the dark mood of rapture gets kind of depressing after a while. Blue skies are hard to get depressed over
One thing I preferred about B1 as compared to Infinite is that it felt like a real place. A big part of that, as you allude to, is being able to explore freely between story events. So you can go back to Arcadia to find audiologs and still run into splicers and others doing their own thing. There are always Big Daddies, and you can go back and follow them to get Little Sisters. I probably spend a good 10 hours before the endgame just finding stuff and exploring. It's a world that exists without you.
Columbia is so linear that at times it feels like an amusement park built specifically for you, and it therefore feels unreal. I realize you can't explore freely because of story logic and that makes sense, but it trades gameplay freedom for narrative.
Thank you. I played the game through twice now and the start four times (to show others how incredible the beginning is) and never say and listened to the song.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah I am with you on that breakdown.
Comstock was trying to bring about the future he glimpsed in the tear... A future where an old Elizabeth was destroying the "Sodom Below." To bring about that future, he needed Anna/Elizabeth. This is the reason he took her. To make things as he had foreseen them.
No doubt the sunny sky's and are beautiful...it would've been rapture in the sky.
That's not a step forward imo.
Besides, the dark mood of rapture gets kind of depressing after a while. Blue skies are hard to get depressed over
Miles Quaritch
Member
It's an incredible scene. The city on fire, Colombia hovering overhead, it was just incredible.
What I really wanted was to be able to revisit areas after the Vox tear but prior to endgame.
Go back to Battleship Bay and instead of lounging daytrippers you run into the Vox, or the Founders, or better yet a skirmish between the Vox and the Founders.
Go back to the Order of the Ravens lodge and run into a Handyman or some Vox Patriots destroying the place.
Show the kind of post-war damage that occurred to the Market in the other areas, and make the exploration optional with the reward being optional backstory audiologs and small scenes.
I'm sure this would have been too difficult however.
Go back to Battleship Bay and instead of lounging daytrippers you run into the Vox, or the Founders, or better yet a skirmish between the Vox and the Founders.
Go back to the Order of the Ravens lodge and run into a Handyman or some Vox Patriots destroying the place.
Show the kind of post-war damage that occurred to the Market in the other areas, and make the exploration optional with the reward being optional backstory audiologs and small scenes.
I'm sure this would have been too difficult however.
..I used to read Word Up Magazine.
Jest Chillin
Member
Actually.. you can go back and explore old sections quite freely early on in the game. I want to say all the way up until Booker and Liz start jumping dimensions through the tears. And if you do go back, you occasionally do run into more enemies. I don't think it's quite as open as Bio1 is in that respect but it is there to an extent.
Great, now I want crossover content between the two games like the stuff Valve and Capcom did for L4D2/RE6 PC.
Also, Raiden battling Songbird is a good visual representing my internal debate between which game is my GOTY... so far.
Speaking of Songbird, though... When Booker fell into Battleship Bay and Songbird followed, did the people on the beach not notice? No one remarks on a massive 60-foot bird monster plunging into the water after you wake up on the beach...
Patrick Bateman
Member
Just bought the Ultimate Rapture edition of Bioshock 1 and 2. Can't wait to replay those two.
Wow, nice! Thanks for sharing this. I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of these were the inspiration for the Vox grenadier.I did a little digging:
Charging Bull is a bronze statue near Wall Street (Occupy Movement?), there is The Bull Moose Party (not really a Bull but still...) which was a Progressive Party in 1912, and a Native American symbol representing beneficence, wealth and richness of life, potency, strength and courage in battle.
I got bored after that
Is there any new included in this bundle?
Jibbajabbawockky
Member
Maybe some amount of time passed? Maybe people did freak out but you were out for a little bit, enough for people to chill out again? I was wondering why Elizabeth wasn't wet at all if she seemingly saved you.
Or its probably more of a gameplay conceit in line with the populace of Columbia not reacting to much of anything.
I really wish the game had some basic dialogue options or ways to initiate conversations with people. Nothing fancy, but especially with Columbia, compared to Rapture, you have a world that at least at the start isn't purely filled with hostiles. So it was kind of a disappointment that you can't really interact with anyone too much.
I would have loved to have been able to talk to Elizabeth or the Lutece twins or any number of other people. Would have given the non combat sections a little more to do and maybe could have cut down on the reliance of the voxophones for some of the exposition.
TriniTrin
war of titties grampa
Id expect after hearing the song they made for songbird, everyone was probably scared s***less!
Jest Chillin
Member
They likely saw the bird but didn't see Booker when he hit the water. The people of Columbia know about the Bird, as evidenced by the plushy toy of it. As a whole, the people of Columbia are told to just ignore the things they don't understand as it's all part of a greater plan and like most people who are extremely devout in belief about anything, they just accept it.
Patrick Bateman
Member
BIOSHOCK 1
- full version of the game
- Plasmid Pack
- Challenge Rooms Pack
- Bonus Museum Level
BIOSHOCK 2
- full version of the game
- Sinclair Solutions Tester
- Rapture Metro
- Kill Em Kindly
- The Protector Trials
- Minervas Den
And I realised that I posted in the wrong thread.
Battleship Bay, in general, was a bit unsettling since the water goes out about 200 yards and then then plunges down into the clouds (where one NPC said the water is then collected and recycled via an elaborate system of pumps). I mean, what if you fell asleep on a raft...
And then there's the guy at the Raffle Fair who's watching the parade go by... while he sits on the railing with his feet dangling over the 15,000-foot drop.
Everyone's so easy-breezy about falling hazards. The spaces where the islands connect even politely say, "Mind the gap," lol.
QUIRKY.
And then there's the guy at the Raffle Fair who's watching the parade go by... while he sits on the railing with his feet dangling over the 15,000-foot drop.
Everyone's so easy-breezy about falling hazards. The spaces where the islands connect even politely say, "Mind the gap," lol.
QUIRKY.
BlisterBrown
Neo Member
There's a kinetoscope in the beginning that explains the songbird and mentions something like "A true patriot has nothing to fear from the songbird"
I'm betting NECA will make some plushies like they did for Bioshock 1/2. Looking forward to it.
And a nursery rhyme about it carrying away bad children IIRC.
Songbird is our friend.
Tummi Gummi
Member
Also, I don't think Songbird really did much other than fly around a lot and periodically check up on Liz until she breaks out. His sole purpose is to protect her from the outside, and I doubt Comstock would want to risk using him as an enforcer and thus being absent from his charge for a long period.
Comstock was the name of some fanatical supporter of censorship in real life, but what significance it has to Booker is never explained.
Sure, but first they have to make replicas of the Vigor bottles.
Sure, but first they have to make replicas of the Vigor bottles.
I liked the design of Vigor bottles and Booker's hands going crazy is always fun to watch, but it made me realize that there was something much more brutal about Plasmids that I appreciated. They made a bigger deal of the protagonist's "genetic code being rearranged" in BioShock 1 than in Infinite.
I feel as though Plasmids have a more permanent effect on one's body compared to Vigors, which almost seem temporary.
I feel as though Plasmids have a more permanent effect on one's body compared to Vigors, which almost seem temporary.
blindrocket
Member
Does anyone have a theory on Slate's head?
Battle scars of some sort, I suppose? What's up with the knot, perhaps shrapnel? Just seems strange.
Battle scars of some sort, I suppose? What's up with the knot, perhaps shrapnel? Just seems strange.
Conciliator
Banned
I think it's probably mostly an aesthetic thing. They just sound like cool turn-of-the-century names.
EDIT: To be clear that's not why booker chose it, that's why Irrational chose it.
I was wondering if Slate's head had something to do with phrenology.
There is a phrenology study of Comstock being shown in the Fraternal Order of the Raven: They show a phrenology chart, then picture of Comstock's head, then pictures of the heads of several Indians.
I think what they were getting at was that they were doubting the racial purity of Comstock, especially given that Booker was in fact part Native American.
There is a phrenology study of Comstock being shown in the Fraternal Order of the Raven: They show a phrenology chart, then picture of Comstock's head, then pictures of the heads of several Indians.
I think what they were getting at was that they were doubting the racial purity of Comstock, especially given that Booker was in fact part Native American.
Undertow. Most fun to use for me.