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[SSJ1Goku]

showing that you lied and will like about anyone to support your twisted view. Fact of the matter is you said Black Women have the highest. You pulled that number out of your ass just like you pull most of your arguments.

I posted an old article. I admitted I was wrong. But whether of not BW have the highest is irrelevent because because the main topic at hand is the kids coming out fucked up. YOU were the one trying to derail the topic with that "WHITE WOMEN DO IT TOO" bullshit.

EDIT: I was not wrong about the single parent households being 73% though

 

[Londa]

I don't know why we changed the discussion to teen pregnancies. That is abolustely a huge problem, but it's not exactly what we are talking about today.

Don't veer from the true problem, 67% of African Americans are raised by a single parent.

Wasn't veering, just stating that you can't pin that on African American's only.

I posted an old article. I admitted I was wrong. But whether of not BW have the highest is irrelevent because because the main topic at hand is the kids coming out fucked up. YOU were the one trying to derail the topic with that "WHITE WOMEN DO IT TOO" bullshit.

Which you never would have admitted to if it wasn't for someone to call you out on your flat out lying and stretching of the truth that you always do.

 

[SSJ1Goku]

Wasn't veering, just stating that you can't pin that on African American's only.

This topic is about African Americans only

EDIT:

Which you never would have admitted to if it wasn't for someone to call you out on your flat out lying and stretching of the truth that you always do.

How many people have proven me wrong? One.

You are welcome to prove me wrong Londa just like everybody else. It will be hard though when the majority of the black community is jacked the fuck up.

 

[Enzom21]

Yes, I'm making a sweeping generalizations about criminals being dumb :/. If that's banworthy, my apologies & I'll try not to bring up the truth again.

I actually should have made it more general since criminals are dumb altogether for getting involved in an illegal trade, it's just the ones who stand on street corners in front of cops selling their illegal wares are just at the pinnacle of it.

Did you miss all the posts where I make it clear that blacks are successful or are you really a defender of criminal activity and the dummies who practice it?

Blacks are dumber criminals. I don't know how anyone disputes this.

No on disagrees that criminals are dumb but you specified that blacks are dumber criminals... that's the issue. You based this on no actual data other than the nonsense you pulled out of your ass. If I went into a thread about driving and said women were worse drivers than men I would be banned and this is no different.

 

[Londa]

This topic is about African Americans only

The bring up things that only effect African American's. Instead of stretching truths. But then that would make you have to use your brain some.

How many people have proven me wrong? One.

You are for the most part wrong because your twist the truth. You write long comments in hopes that it will brainwash people into believing you. There are no need to prove you are crazy and a twister of truth. You show it pretty clearly already.

 

[Measley]

How you think those places got to be that way?

Years and years of continued marginalization, "white flight", major businesses pulling, etc. Those places are forgotten zones man. Places that no one wants any part of and more important, places where people with low income, educations live. And there has to be a sense of helplessness that sets in over time. Not for all but for many.

So that gives someone the right to drive-by someone's home? Throw trash everywhere? Break into other people's homes and cars? Vandalize everything, or just act ignorant? Again, just because you are poor doesn't mean that you can't have some respect for yourself and where you live. Its the people that make the neighborhood, not the other way around.

Things weren't always like that, my friend. You make it seem like lower income areas just magically became that way overnight. Like the Ghetto Wizard waved his magical wand and there were suddenly inner city projects. How realistic is it to be upwardly mobile in communities where major businesses have closed shop and bailed? How easy is it to "get a job" for them? Sure, some flee but how does that fix the problem for those that remain? A "project/ghetto" system is doomed to fail man.

I never said that what occurred in the inner city was an overnight thing. However, its the responsibility of the people who live in those areas to make their communities better.

Ok, for the "Black family" that we are talking about, where is the "love and support they are given, over and over again" coming from?

The US government? (you better not say welfare/food stamps)

Other well to do Black people? (based on your posts, you certainly aren't one of those people)

The schools? (where Black kids get thrown into Special Ed classes at a higher rate than other races?)

Please, tell me where all that "love and support" is coming from that these ungrateful people seem to be ignoring...

The church. Schools. Extended family. Various outreach programs. etc.

I'm very familiar with the special education programs in my district, and the teachers do everything they can to make the lives of those children better, and give them options for their future. Its the children (and the parents) who reject that help and continue on their path towards self destruction.

 

[SSJ1Goku]

The bring up things that only effect African American's. Instead of stretching truths. But then that would make you have to use your brain some.

No I will not bring up things that are exclusive to the black community. The negatives in the black community are fucking up the community THE MOST.

EDIT: LOL at me brainwashing people. White people look out!

 

[Londa]

No I will not bring up things that are exclusive to the black community. The negatives in the black community are fucking up the community THE MOST.

EDIT: LOL at me brainwashing people. White people look out!

basically you are full of it and you are a sad individual.

I would love you to tell me in person the kind of stuff you say about black woman. I wanna see what a pathetic person who has convinced himself lies looks like.

I hope you have some data showing that the % of planted drugs is around 1% because that sounds very high to me.

I'm lurking in this thread and trying to understand the overall "black" perspective.. but can't. As a random minority who is immune to the White Guilt thing, it sounds like a lot of excuses and Black holding themselves back by holding onto ancient baggage. But I'll keep reading and hopefully understand eventually.

50 years is ancient now? lol

Lurking might be the best thing for you.

 

[Renmei]

Actually the population of blacks in prison is so high that if the number of people set up by the cops was as low as 1 to 4% you are talking 10000 to 40000 people...

I hope you have some data showing that the % of planted drugs is around 1% because that sounds very high to me.

I'm lurking in this thread and trying to understand the overall "black" perspective.. but can't. As a random minority who is immune to the White Guilt thing, it sounds like a lot of excuses and Black holding themselves back by holding onto ancient baggage. But I'll keep reading and hopefully understand eventually.

 

[royalan]

I hope you have some data showing that the % of planted drugs is around 1% because that sounds very high to me.

I'm lurking in this thread and trying to understand the overall "black" perspective.. but can't. As a random minority who is immune to the White Guilt thing, it sounds like a lot of excuses and Black holding themselves back by holding onto ancient baggage. But I'll keep reading and hopefully understand eventually.

You probably won't, because you don't really want to. If you did, you wouldn't relegate all the people arguing against the "It's all your fault! Buck up!" idea and pointing to economic and social realities as "making excuses." You already have your mind made up about what you think the problem is.

Oh, and I love how 50 years is ancient baggage now...

 

[zero_suit]

Oh, and I love how 50 years is ancient baggage now...

I think a lot of folks ignore or conveniently forget the plight of blacks from the end of the Civil War to the Civil Rights Act.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

So that gives someone the right to drive-by someone's home? Throw trash everywhere? Break into other people's homes and cars? Vandalize everything, or just act ignorant? Again, just because you are poor doesn't mean that you can't have some respect for yourself and where you live. Its the people that make the neighborhood, not the other way around.

Do you have any concept of living in shitty surroundings where it seems you can't achieve anything of value and the people around you are doing no better?

I sure don't.

I have never said people don't have a personal responsibility to make their neighborhoods better. They do but it's like this:

The horse is so far out the barn now (from years of being forgotten) that the only choices are to 1) leave or 2) deal with it and remain. At this point, on a grand scale, you aren't doing much to make major in-roads. If you live in an environment like that, you WILL be affected in some way. There is no real neutral.

And to go back to what you said before about a dunk, rap lyric or touchdown being the thing that people there look at as a way out. Well, let's see man. If you lived in an area where there was no real visual signs of success that had to do with legitimate wealth accumulation, what might your views of "success" be? Seriously?

I never said that what occurred in the inner city was an overnight thing. However, its the responsibility of the people who live in those areas to make their communities better.

I agree with you.

The church. Schools. Extended family. Various outreach programs. etc.

I'm very familiar with the special education programs in my district, and the teachers do everything they can to make the lives of those children better, and give them options for their future. Its the children (and the parents) who reject that help and continue on their path towards self destruction.

Again man, it goes back to the sense of opportunity. What opportunities do I have when I get home from these places? Where are the positive mentors in my area of living? At home? Let's say for the sake of argument, you are a person born to an irresponsible person, who has friends that are like-minded. You grow up with a horrible example from the beginning and your peers are just like you. And your surroundings are shit.

How do you break the cycle man on a large scale?

I'm not talking one person here or there...I'm saying how would you make an inner city project look like Orange County (CA)?

How would you change that man?

You just continue to take the road of "personal responsibility, man"

How would you change that besides scolding them for their decision-making?

 

[Karma Kramer]

The only way you tackle poor family values and criminal activity is treating it (drug abuse treatment). In general the poor are prone to having more kids, so even with programs like affirmative action, it doesn't assist to transition black minorities from bad behavior to a better path(more kids growing up in harsher conditions), it does the opposite and makes it more challenging. There needs to be more emphasis on education and treatment of drug abusers. Like what we have seen done in Portugal which has successfully lower drug abuse rates.

 

[Renmei]

You probably won't, because you don't really want to. If you did, you wouldn't relegate all the people arguing against the "It's all your fault! Buck up!" idea and pointing to economic and social realities as "making excuses." You already have your mind made up about what you think the problem is.

No, I compare the posted black experiences of discrimination and hardship and compare that to my own as a different minority and find them lacking in substance. I'm sure that the feelings of hopelessness and disenfranchisement are there, and that is the problem.

Oh, and I love how 50 years is ancient baggage now...

Imma bring in my unwanted Asian-American history again, but like I said I compare your complaints to mine. The US didn't just suddenly decide to pass the Chinese exclusion Act from 1882 to 1943 (60ish years), there was decades of widespread racism, hatred and violence towards us. The US interned and treated as enemies of the state thousands of Japanese Americans. To us it is ancient history, probably because out parents and celebrities don't harp on it all the time to excuse our failures. I don't know of anyone who still thinks of Asians as enemy spies or unwanted laborers stealing their jobs, the second and third+ generation Asians I hang out with certainly don't think of ourselves as such. That is why the whole "slave" mentality thing sounds bogus.

 

[royalan]

No, I compare the posted black experiences of discrimination and hardship and compare that to my own as a different minority and find them lacking in substance. I'm sure that the feelings of hopelessness and disenfranchisement are there, and that is the problem.



Imma bring in my unwanted Asian-American history again, but like I said I compare your complaints to mine. The US didn't just suddenly decide to pass the Chinese exclusion Act from 1882 to 1943 (60ish years), there was decades of widespread racism, hatred and violence towards us. The US interned and treated as enemies of the state thousands of Japanese Americans. To us it is ancient history, probably because out parents and celebrities don't harp on it all the time to excuse our failures. I don't know of anyone who still thinks of Asians as enemy spies or unwanted laborers stealing their jobs, the second and third+ generation Asians I hang out with certainly don't think of ourselves as such. That is why the whole "slave" mentality thing sounds bogus.

You find them lacking in substance?

See, that's the problem right there.

Nobody in this thread is "blaming" anything directly on slavery. Nobody is saying that little Jerome who is skipping class right now made the conscious decision to do so specifically because of slavery. I know I'm taking a leap here by speaking for the posters in this thread whose opinions I generally agree with, but all that anyone has argued is that if you want to talk about the various reasons blacks under-perform in this country you can't completely remove the lasting social and economic effects of slavery from the discourse.

It's not that your perspective as an Asian-American is "unwanted" - you just can't use it to discredit the black experience in this country. Because, and I'm terribly sorry, the experiences don't compare. Like, at all. Being forcibly taken from your homeland, separated your family and culture and forced to live as slaves for hundreds of years, and then having to live with 100 years of legalized discrimination and gross injustices (lynched for attempting to vote, communities burned to the ground, etc) after that are experiences unique to the black narrative. You can't just sweep that under the rug because a few generations have gone by. To think that hundreds of years of racism and discrimination doesn't have long lasting affects that need to at least be acknowledged is woefully ignorant at best.

Too many people in this thread claim that they really want to explore this topic...you know, just don't talk about the hundreds of years of slavery....or the decades of Jim Crow. Because that has nothing to do with anything. We gave you your freedom so now you're on totally equal footing economically and socially, and whatever road blocks you imagine there being are your own damn fault.

 

[Mr. Patch]

No, I compare the posted black experiences of discrimination and hardship and compare that to my own as a different minority and find them lacking in substance. I'm sure that the feelings of hopelessness and disenfranchisement are there, and that is the problem.



Imma bring in my unwanted Asian-American history again, but like I said I compare your complaints to mine. The US didn't just suddenly decide to pass the Chinese exclusion Act from 1882 to 1943 (60ish years), there was decades of widespread racism, hatred and violence towards us. The US interned and treated as enemies of the state thousands of Japanese Americans. To us it is ancient history, probably because out parents and celebrities don't harp on it all the time to excuse our failures. I don't know of anyone who still thinks of Asians as enemy spies or unwanted laborers stealing their jobs, the second and third+ generation Asians I hang out with certainly don't think of ourselves as such. That is why the whole "slave" mentality thing sounds bogus.

Reparations probably helped with that, but that's a whole different discussion.

(Note: I don't give a damn about reparations for slavery. It's not going to happen.)

 

[Steelrain]

basically you are full of it and you are a sad individual.

I would love you to tell me in person the kind of stuff you say about black woman. I wanna see what a pathetic person who has convinced himself lies looks like.

 

[Blackace]

I hope you have some data showing that the % of planted drugs is around 1% because that sounds very high to me.

I'm lurking in this thread and trying to understand the overall "black" perspective.. but can't. As a random minority who is immune to the White Guilt thing, it sounds like a lot of excuses and Black holding themselves back by holding onto ancient baggage. But I'll keep reading and hopefully understand eventually.

You do know how to use the word IF... of course there isn't any data on planted drugs or evidence.

50 years ago is soooooo anicent.. Things are messed up when people talk about the factors that have made this situation and how many people are so quick to call them excuses...

I don't think anyonw has said "well blacks were slaves so they should not work hard or they can do whatever.."

BUT THE FACT remains that blacks were slaves and lesser than Americans until 50 years ago.. it is not an excuse but a cold hard fact..

 

[Blackace]

No. Blacks have the highest illegitimacy rate among all races in the U.S.

http://savannahnow.com/news/2010-11-07/blacks-struggle-72-unwed-mothers#.TqCigrLULpw

I never said anything about the teen birth rate.

illegitimacy doesn't mean the family is broken.. I think that is a skewed stat...

 

[Measley]

You find them lacking in substance?

See, that's the problem right there.

Nobody in this thread is "blaming" anything directly on slavery. Nobody is saying that little Jerome who is skipping class right now made the conscious decision to do so specifically because of slavery.

"Blacks have a 375-year history on this continent: 245 involving slavery, 100 involving legalized discrimination, and only 30 involving anything else" (Wilkins, 1995).

A great quote that really puts things into perspective. People are still downplaying the effect of hundreds of years of slavery, dehumanization, rape and the separation of family has had on black people. Black people have only been given (somewhat) equal opportunity in America for a few decades and even still institutionalized racism exists today!

As a people we started the race with a rock tied behind our back and 30 minutes after it's begun and people are wondering why we aren't up with the rest of the pack. Other immigrants did not face the same struggles as black American's have so it's not a fair comparison.

I still contend that the only thing that effects your future are your own personal choices. People have achieved despite the odds stacked against them. Excusing self-destructive behavior because of past events that you had nothing to do with is utterly ridiculous.

Maybe if I dropped out of high school I could of blamed Christopher Columbus. However, that would be ridiculous. Just like blaming your sad lot in life on Antebellum slavery.

 

[Devolution]

I still contend that the only thing that effects your future are your own personal choices. People have achieved despite the odds stacked against them. Excusing self-destructive behavior because of past events that you had nothing to do with is utterly ridiculous.

Maybe if I dropped out of high school I could blame Christopher Columbus!

What about discrimination, which still exists in the present, since you're so down on examining the past.

 

[Blackace]

I still contend that the only thing that effects your future are your own personal choices. People have achieved despite the odds stacked against them. Excusing self-destructive behavior because of past events that you had nothing to do with is utterly ridiculous.

Maybe if I dropped out of high school I could blame Christopher Columbus!

My grandfather was the son of a slave.. That's pretty close to home.. My father didn't have rights and 13 years later I was born..

Personal choices are the most important.. and the decks are stacked against you, like you said and the reason why is because of salvery and Jim Crow and whatever else.. how does that have NOTHING to with you?

 

[royalan]

I still contend that the only thing that effects your future are your own personal choices. People have achieved despite the odds stacked against them. Excusing self-destructive behavior because of past events that you had nothing to do with is utterly ridiculous.

Maybe if I dropped out of high school I could blame Christopher Columbus!

And you clearly didn't read past the part of my post that you quoted. Here, I'll walk you through:

but all that anyone has argued is that if you want to talk about the various reasons blacks under-perform in this country you can't completely remove the lasting social and economic effects of slavery from the discourse.

In other words, despite what posters like you want to believe, the mere mention of slavery or Jim Crow is not playing a card or making excuses.

And I still think it's plenty sad that you feel this way, considering that you don't meet your own rubric. Didn't you post earlier that you weren't doing so hot yourself until your mother pushed you?

 

[captmcblack]

Nobody is excusing personal behavior on slavery. Bad things you do are your fault, and your fault alone.

Everyone with even 1 iota of intelligence however is saying that more than 300 years of slavery and legal second-class/subhuman/discriminatory status has a definite and overreaching deleterious effect on the lives and socioeconomic standing of black people - specifically black males (for the purposes of this thread).

Everyone is as responsible for their own fates as they reasonably can be.
Everyone has to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and strive for what they want/need/wish to be.

Some people have to start at a decidedly disadvantaged position when it comes to pulling themselves up by the bootstraps.

Many of those people are black people, and it's likely that 300+ years of legal subhuman treatment and the destruction of much of their families/culture/wealth/etc had a lot to do with it.

Once we establish that as the bottom line, we can discuss everything else objectively and maybe even stay on topic in the thread.

 

[akira28]

Toxic black teacher. You read it. I said it.

I'm new to the posts, but...I got nothing else to say.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

And I still think it's plenty sad that you feel this way, considering that you don't meet your own rubric. Didn't you post earlier that you weren't doing so hot yourself until your mother pushed you?

That's the part I don't get either.

He wore his ancestors' accomplishments like badges of glory but then later revealed that he was a bit aloof as well in his earlier years.

If any type of person should understand the fragile balance of motivation and execution in the certain segments of the Black community, it's him.

But instead, he takes the completely opposite viewpoint.

It's so bizarre...

 

[Blackace]

Nobody is excusing personal behavior on slavery.

Everyone with even 1 iota of intelligence is saying that more than 300 years of slavery and legal second-class/subhuman/discriminatory status has a definite and overreaching deleterious effect on the lives and socioeconomic standing of black people - specifically black males (for the purposes of this thread).

Everyone is as responsible for their own fates as they reasonably can be.
Everyone has to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and strive for what they want/need/wish to be.

Some people have to start at a decidedly disadvantaged position when it comes to pulling themselves up by the bootstraps.

Many of those people are black people, and it's likely that 300+ years of legal subhuman treatment and the destruction of much of their families/culture/wealth/etc had a lot to do with it.

Once we establish that as the bottom line, we can discuss everything else objectively and maybe even stay on topic in the thread.

Pretty much. The bottom line is just because you have the deck stacked against you doesn't mean you can't make it.. just like having the deck stacked in your favor doesn't mean you are going to making it for sure... but odds usually play out as they should both ways..

 

[Measley]

What about discrimination, which still exists in the present, since you're so down on examining the past.

What about it? It certainly exists, and can cause some opportunities to be lost. However is it strong enough to stop someone who is determined to rise above it? I don't think so.

Thing is, if you believe that slavery and racism is some immovable force that you can't defeat, you'll just pack up and go home.

 

[Sutton Dagger]

I still contend that the only thing that effects your future are your own personal choices. People have achieved despite the odds stacked against them. Excusing self-destructive behavior because of past events that you had nothing to do with is utterly ridiculous.

Maybe if I dropped out of high school I could of blamed Christopher Columbus. However, that would be ridiculous. Just like blaming your sad lot in life on Antebellum slavery.

I'm aware that you're a teacher (as am I), and I'm wondering how you are completely oblivious to the sociological phenomenon known as 'Cultural Capital'. Now, I'm Australian so my knowledge of African American issues are limited, but the plight of the Aboriginal people share some shocking similarities to those faced by African American's.

We are talking about (with respect to these minorities), lower educational outcomes, greater health concerns, generational unemployment, substance abuse issues, limited access to facilities, the list goes on. You then expect that these children going to school (sometimes without proper food) to achieve the educational outcomes (as dictated by the dominate 'white' culture) at the same rate as those not experiencing these issues? In terms of education we are all running a 100m race, but the dominate culture gets to start 20m in front, some people just can't make up that ground... The whole 'pull up your bootstraps' mentality shows a gross misunderstanding of the numerous sociological issues at play here and as a teacher myself, it's quite disheartening to know that you have some influence over the future generation.

 

[Blackace]

What about it? It certainly exists, and can cause some opportunities to be lost. However is it strong enough to stop someone who is determined to rise above it? I don't think so.

Thing is, if you believe that slavery and racism is some immovable force that you can't defeat, you'll just pack up and go home.

What the hell is going on? No one has said blacks should give up and that this is all they can do..

But they have presented some of the reasons why they are in the state they are in..

 

[Devolution]

What the hell is going on? No one has said blacks should give up and that this is all they can do..

But they have presented some of the reasons why they are in the state they are in..

It's all or nothing with him.

 

[Measley]

My grandfather was the son of a slave.. That's pretty close to home.. My father didn't have rights and 13 years later I was born..

Personal choices are the most important.. and the decks are stacked against you, like you said and the reason why is because of salvery and Jim Crow and whatever else.. how does that have NOTHING to with you?

Because Slavery and Jim Crow restricted personal freedom. Currently nothing like that exists on the American political or even economic landscape. So while it held back my ancestors from reaching personal and economic freedom, it doesn't hold me back from reaching personal and economic freedom today.

The most you're going to experience is some racist cops and some racist interviewers who don't want to hire you. Neither of which can stop you from reaching the top of the hill if you truly desire it.

 

[Blackace]

It's all or nothing with him.

It is like because he comes from the Huxtable family he thinks all blacks have had the exact same chances...

 

[HiResDes]

Black males the most consistently under-performing my ass...I've heard from a few women that we do just fine in bed.

 

[Blackace]

Because Slavery and Jim Crow restricted personal freedom. Currently nothing like that exists on the American political or even economic landscape. So while it held back my ancestors from reaching personal and economic freedom, it doesn't hold me back from reaching personal and economic freedom today.

The most you're going to experience is some racist cops and some racist interviewers who don't want to hire you. Neither of which can stop you from reaching the top of the hill if you truly desire it.

Wrong.

My father isn't my ancestor...

And blacks are still recovering from slavery and it shows.. any fortune 500 black companys? How about blue chip stock black owned/started companys? We own nothing in the US.. It is getting better, but we still have a ways to go..

 

[samus i am]

It is like because he comes from the Huxtable family he thinks all blacks have had the exact same chances...

I'm not sure you understand his point. He's just simply saying all black people should strive to be like him, and if they aren't they are failures. It's simple really.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I'm not sure you understand his point. He's just simply saying all black people should strive to be like him, and if they aren't they are failures. It's simple really.

Hahahahahaha.

Perfect.

 

[DominoKid]

I'm not sure you understand his point. He's just simply saying all black people should strive to be like him, and if they aren't they are failures. It's simple really.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Wrong.

My father isn't my ancestor...

And blacks are still recovering from slavery and it shows.. any fortune 500 black companys? How about blue chip stock black owned/started companys? We own nothing in the US.. It is getting better, but we still have a ways to go..

The most simple analogy is this:

There is a race between 2 people. The Racer #1 gets a head start in the race by a considerable amount of paces and the lane he's running in is clear.

Racer #2 gets a late start, there are hurdles and other various things littered across his lane until the final stretch of the meet where things in his lane begin to clear up and almost mirror the lane of Racer#1.

Sure, Racer #2 can technically still "win" but his road to victory wasn't close to that of his competition.

 

[Sutton Dagger]

The most simple analogy is this:

There is a race between 2 people. The Racer #1 gets a head start in the race by a considerable amount of paces and the lane he's running in is clear.

Racer #2 gets a late start, there are hurdles and other various things littered across his lane until the final stretch of the meet where things in his lane begin to clear up and almost mirror the lane of Racer#1.

Sure, Racer #2 can technically still "win" but his road to victory wasn't close to that of his competition.

I already used that analogy a few posts above (which Measley has ignored).

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I already used that analogy a few posts above (which Measley has ignored).

High five!

 

[Measley]

It is like because he comes from the Huxtable family he thinks all blacks have had the exact same chances...

I didn't come from a Huxtable family.

 

[Measley]

I'm aware that you're a teacher (as am I), and I'm wondering how you are completely oblivious to the sociological phenomenon known as 'Cultural Capital'. Now, I'm Australian so my knowledge of African American issues are limited, but the plight of the Aboriginal people share some shocking similarities to those faced by African American's.

We are talking about (with respect to these minorities), lower educational outcomes, greater health concerns, generational unemployment, substance abuse issues, limited access to facilities, the list goes on. You then expect that these children going to school (sometimes without proper food) to achieve the educational outcomes (as dictated by the dominate 'white' culture) at the same rate as those not experiencing these issues? In terms of education we are all running a 100m race, but the dominate culture gets to start 20m in front, some people just can't make up that ground... The whole 'pull up your bootstraps' mentality shows a gross misunderstanding of the numerous sociological issues at play here and as a teacher myself, it's quite disheartening to know that you have some influence over the future generation.

In 2011, is it possible for a black male born into poverty to become a doctor in the United States?

 

[Half and half]

Faded tattoos, black and milds, nappy corn rows, earrings with no chains and poorly thrown signs. These guys are under-performing at g'ing up.

 

[Devolution]

In 2011, is it possible for a black male born into poverty to become a doctor in the United States?

Once again that's not what people are arguing. It's not impossible for a black person to rise out of poverty. The point is they have the most hurdles. Do you have any concept of privilege or inheritance?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

In 2011, is it possible for a black male born into poverty to become a doctor in the United States?

I answered you and so did the guy you're responding to:

The most simple analogy is this:

There is a race between 2 people. The Racer #1 gets a head start in the race by a considerable amount of paces and the lane he's running in is clear.

Racer #2 gets a late start, there are hurdles and other various things littered across his lane until the final stretch of the meet where things in his lane begin to clear up and almost mirror the lane of Racer#1.

Sure, Racer #2 can technically still "win" but his road to victory wasn't close to that of his competition.

 

[Measley]

Once again that's not what people are arguing. It's not impossible for a black person to rise out of poverty. The point is they have the most hurdles. Do you have any concept of privilege or inheritance?

No they don't. A child with a disability has the most hurdles. I would even argue that a child who can't speak english has more hurdles than an American born black child.

Consider that black immigrants come to this country and excel, even though they don't speak the language, and are largely indistinguishable from American blacks. The core difference is that they don't blame their personal failings on slavery or Jim Crow.

 

[Londa]

I'm not sure you understand his point. He's just simply saying all black people should strive to be like him, and if they aren't they are failures. It's simple really.

Would be like living a 24/h nightmare.

 

[Devolution]

No they don't. A child with a disability has the most hurdles. I would even argue that a child who can't speak english has more hurdles than an American born black child.

Consider that black immigrants come to this country and excel, even though they don't speak the language, and are largely indistinguishable from American blacks. The core difference is that they don't blame their personal failings on slavery or Jim Crow.

Consider that black immigrants grew up under completely different fucking circumstances. Did you just sleep through any humanities courses in regards to sociology or what? You have literally no concept of socialization, cultural constructs, privilege or institutionalized discrimination.

 

[captmcblack]

Okay, let's keep being absurd and doing oppression olympics then.

So what about a disabled black child who can't speak English?

Or a disabled black child who can't speak English, is autistic, and has a gay black short rabbi father?