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[Hollywood]

The DS has PSONE/N64 power, so get the fuck over it. The games aren't going to look crazy awesome, so quit bitching. We get the point.

 

[Amir0x]

The DS has PSONE/N64 power, so get the fuck over it. The games aren't going to look crazy awesome, so quit bitching. We get the point.

hollywood, what exactly do you want us to discuss in a thread primarily about screens?

stop being dense.

 

[Hollywood]

hollywood, what exactly do you want us to discuss in a thread primarily about screens?

stop being dense.

We don't need a breakdown of what looks like shit every DS thread. People act like its supposed to make Xbox or Gamecube graphics. It may look crappy compared to this gens games, but compare it to the Game Boy Advance's 3D games. It's still a leap over that. With the right developers it could look better than N64 graphics. I played Mario DS and it looked a lot better than the N64 version. You know what, I've been playing San Andreas the past few days and there's some textures in the game you can find that don't look much better than those screens. Doesn't affect the game a damn bit though.

 

[Cragstar]

And in other news this morning.
Man Declares "i don't give a shit, i hate everything"

An insider at local whore store stated that "The man he just came in and started bitching cos he had a greivance with a past purchase. I don't understand myself, as i LOVED what he was bitching about".
Store Clerk Josie Gregory commented "It was quite funny actually, he came in and started moaning as he usually does, and the security usually ignore him, but today they pistol whipped his ass and told him to shut the F#@k up"

Store manager sporsk was unavailable for comment.

 

[Amir0x]

We don't need a breakdown of what looks like shit every DS thread. People act like its supposed to make Xbox or Gamecube graphics. It may look crappy compared to this gens games, but compare it to the Game Boy Advance's 3D games. It's still a leap over that. With the right developers it could look better than N64 graphics. I played Mario DS and it looked a lot better than the N64 version. You know what, I've been playing San Andreas the past few days and there's some textures in the game you can find that don't look much better than those screens. Doesn't affect the game a damn bit though.

This post is all over the place.

Ok, so first we should...

a.) Set our standards to "GBA 3D" I don't think you could possibly comprehend the LOL behind such a thing, but ok.

b.) We don't need a breakdown of what looks like shit in every DS thread - even if it's a thread primarily about screenshots! Instead we should sit in awkward silence and make vague, kind comments about remote possibilities!

c.) "With the right developers it could look better than N64 graphics." Hey, you're right! It can look better than N64 graphics! All the more to bash this games visuals, since it looks bad by even most N64 games standards! But no, bashing it is bad! Think of the possibilities and set your standards low!

d.) I don't even know what you're trying to accomplish with your funny San Andreas comparrison. But we should make more funny comparisons involving texture work with this game and B&W DS.



Anyway, to the point - I am not a vocal naysayer of DS visuals. In fact, I think developers can and will create impressive things on it and that the NDS can be pushed (look at Nanostray). That does not change my comments when a game looks bad - no matter the platform - and this is no different. It's a screenshot thread, and the quality of the screens must be discussed. Over and over. If that's not something you enjoy participating in, there's a million other non-screenshot threads about various subjects. I'm not going to go around justifying my taste to this extent, except to say that commenting that a game is genuinely ugly does not reflect any graphic whorism or opinion on DS.

And in other news this morning.
Man Declares "i don't give a shit, i hate everything"

An insider at local whore store stated that "The man he just came in and started bitching cos he had a greivance with a past purchase. I don't understand myself, as i LOVED what he was bitching about".
Store Clerk Josie Gregory commented "It was quite funny actually, he came in and started moaning as he usually does, and the security usually ignore him, but today they pistol whipped his ass and told him to shut the F#@k up"

Store manager sporsk was unavailable for comment.

AHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

[jgkspsx]

The ground textures on this game remind me of that old Bullfrog game Magic Carpet.

Now THERE'S an idea! Magic Carpet DS, EA. Make it happen.

 

[Hollywood]

blah

My point being, graphics don't mean much especially with this type of game. And second, we know how powerful the system is, so it doesn't need to be endlessly bashed when it can only make PSONE/N64 looking games. I think it looks alright honestly for the system. Look at the zoomed out pictures versus the zoomed in pictures. A pretty noticable difference. As the case with with most old generation 3D systems, things don't look too good zoomed in up on textures.

FFVII

 

[Amir0x]

My point being, graphics don't mean much especially with this type of game. And second, we know how powerful the system is, so it doesn't need to be endlessly bashed when it can only make PSONE/N64 looking games. I think it looks alright honestly for the system. Look at the zoomed out pictures versus the zoomed in pictures. A pretty noticable difference. As the case with with most old generation 3D systems, things don't look too good zoomed in up on textures.

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i think it's clear you're missing the point.

We're bashing it because this game looks ugly. Do you understand that? Can you seperate it from console wars for a moment? Just because it produces PSOne/N64++ level visuals does not mean its games have to be ugly. Goemon DS, for instance, looks very nice. So does Castlevania DS. As for 3D games, Mario 64DS looks better than Mario 64 as you mentioned.

But you're still making excuses. "I think it looks alright for this system!" "I think the textures look shitty zoomed in - don't do that!" I mean, it's either bad or good - why are you qualifying it? And why does it matter if you just admit that it looks ugly? Like you said, graphics aren't important for this genre. If that's the case, and it certainly is, then it'll hold up with gameplay despite the visuals.

That doesn't change the fact that this is primarily a screenshot thread, so once again the point that it's ugly is going to keep being discussed. And you and I are going to keep going in circles because you're failing to grasp this simple, most basic of points.

 

[Hollywood]

I don't understand why you are saying even for the PSONE/N64 generation it looks bad. Maybe you don't remember the generation so well. I just posted a comparison of FFVII and this game. FFVII doesn't look much different.

Blast Corps .. omg my looks at the grass!

You are going to tell me B&W looks significantly worse than that?

 

[radioheadrule83]

It looks pretty good imo and should be well worth owning. Good news

 

[Amir0x]

Blast Corps .. omg my looks at the grass!

You are going to tell me B&W looks significantly worse than that?

Significantly worse? No. Worse? Yes.

You're STILL gliding around the points. This game is ugly by ANY standard. Why are we making excuses for it! Just say it's ugly and move on. If the gameplay is good that'll speak for itself. I'd go so far as to say that if you don't admit the game is ugly in some capacity you're just blind and full of excuses.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

I dunno about you guys, but this game looks fine, and so playable

actually it looks good for a portable game.


EA games are so important for the DS if it wants to be a success in Europe, and especially UK... so this game is t3h cool

 

[AndoCalrissian]

...

i think it's clear you're missing the point.

We're bashing it because this game looks ugly. Do you understand that? Can you seperate it from console wars for a moment? Just because it produces PSOne/N64++ level visuals does not mean its games have to be ugly. Goemon DS, for instance, looks very nice. So does Castlevania DS. As for 3D games, Mario 64DS looks better than Mario 64 as you mentioned.

But you're still making excuses. "I think it looks alright for this system!" "I think the textures look shitty zoomed in - don't do that!" I mean, it's either bad or good - why are you qualifying it? And why does it matter if you just admit that it looks ugly? Like you said, graphics aren't important for this genre. If that's the case, and it certainly is, then it'll hold up with gameplay despite the visuals.

That doesn't change the fact that this is primarily a screenshot thread, so once again the point that it's ugly is going to keep being discussed. And you and I are going to keep going in circles because you're failing to grasp this simple, most basic of points.

You mentioned two (mostly) 2D games, and then a 1st generation N64 title that isn't that hard to improve upon graphically. Of course the 2D games are more detailed, and of course Mario 64 DS has improved, due in good part to new textures.

Here's a screen comparison of Goemon DS's 3D fighting (which is zoomed out from the action due to scale) and a zoomed out picture of Black and White DS.

I would say they are of similar quality. It appears that B&W may be pushing more polys given that it has a much more detailed background. At the end of the day the games are still limited by the system on which they run.

 

[CabbageRed]

“I dunno about you guys, but this game looks fine, and so playable

actually it looks good for a portable game. ”

I'm in the same camp. It looks like a 3D DS game. Why anyone would give a damn that someone thinks the graphics are fine for what they are is beyond me.

 

[Amir0x]

At the end of the day the games are still limited by the system on which they run.

Yes. That doesn't change the point that DS can do better and WILL, and that this game looks extremely ugly.

 

[Hollywood]

Significantly worse? No. Worse? Yes.

You're STILL gliding around the points. This game is ugly by ANY standard. Why are we making excuses for it! Just say it's ugly and move on. If the gameplay is good that'll speak for itself. I'd go so far as to say that if you don't admit the game is ugly in some capacity you're just blind and full of excuses.

Dude I would say it looks better. Everyone has their own opinion, and if it came out for N64 I wouldn't say it looks awesome, or ugly, just in the middle.

 

[gamergirly]

Yes. That doesn't change the point that DS can do better and WILL, and that this game looks extremely ugly.

DS has some rather primitive but smooth textures. Compare that with the big Fog above. It's like comparing a snowstorm to a sunny day....

 

[olimario]

Pretty impressive.
I like it.

 

[Suikoguy]

Zoomed out it looks pretty decent, zoomed in..

 

[Coen]

Zoomed out it looks pretty decent, zoomed in..

Exactly what I was thinking. Is this a one a voxel engine?

 

[Virgin Wii]

Significantly worse? No. Worse? Yes.

You're STILL gliding around the points. This game is ugly by ANY standard. Why are we making excuses for it! Just say it's ugly and move on. If the gameplay is good that'll speak for itself. I'd go so far as to say that if you don't admit the game is ugly in some capacity you're just blind and full of excuses.

I don't know what you're smoking. The game clearly looks better than that Blast Corps shot, and looks better than every 3D DS game that's been shown in any form.

Given the hardware, that's extremely beautiful. Even at the end of the 32/64-bit generation, I wouldn't have thought those visuals possible on the PSX. Quite amazed they were able to pump this out.

 

[Hollywood]

DS has some rather primitive but smooth textures. Compare that with the big Fog above. It's like comparing a snowstorm to a sunny day....

Pretty smart for a chick.

 

[Drinky Crow]

Good LORD the DS hardware is embarrassing. HIDEOS.

 

[123rl]

Seems like the perfect game for the DS, IMO. Looks like it has potential anyway (if they can improve the few problems with the first game)

 

[Amir0x]

I don't know what you're smoking. The game clearly looks better than that Blast Corps shot, and looks better than every 3D DS game that's been shown in any form.

Given the hardware, that's extremely beautiful. Even at the end of the 32/64-bit generation, I wouldn't have thought those visuals possible on the PSX. Quite amazed they were able to pump this out.

Again, you're qualifying "given the hardware", etc...

First of all, this is a N64++ machine, not a PSX++ machine. Secondly, DS is definitely without doubt possible of much better. Thirdly, maybe your memory is much more foggy than mine but I own Blast Corps and muddy colors and textures aside it looked pretty good at the time considering the cities, explosions and the vehicles. Nothing to write home about, but better than this. Still ugly as well, but given the slight edge at least because it doesn't have pixels that stab your eyes.

My standards for what DS can do are higher. This is a game for that system, and it looks ugly. There's no dancing around it. I'm not going to make qualifying statements like "well if you consider the hardware..." because that's no excuse when determining how beautiful something is objectively rather than just on a technical level based on the extreme limitations of the hardware. That's silly. I mean, obviously consessions have to be made. Handhelds aren't consoles and I wouldn't expect console-level visuals out of them. And similarly DS is no PSP, so I don't expect PSP-level 3D of it. But this is ugly by any real decent DS standard (and I mean that in terms of what it IS capable of), and unless you're prone to making ridiculous excuses whenever someone makes fun of a clearly grotesque looking DS game I see no reason why you should even be defending it.

This is a screenshot thread. It is not in any way, shape or form an attractive game. Alright? If you REALLY want to discuss the merits of what the title could offer that's fine, but you should just stop with the silly excuses and qualifications for why the game looks ugly. It looks ugly. DS can do better and will do better. That's the end of that.

 

[Hollywood]

This is a screenshot thread. It is not in any way, shape or form an attractive game. Alright? If you REALLY want to discuss the merits of what the title could offer that's fine, but you should just stop with the silly excuses and qualifications for why the game looks ugly. It looks ugly. DS can do better and will do better. That's the end of that.

Tell me WTF is so ugly about this pic?

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Tell me WTF is so ugly about this pic?

the DSness...

 

[Virgin Wii]

Again, you're qualifying "given the hardware", etc...

First of all, this is a N64++ machine, not a PSX++ machine. Secondly, DS is definitely without doubt possible of much better. Thirdly, maybe your memory is much more foggy than mine but I own Blast Corps and muddy colors and textures aside it looked pretty good at the time considering the cities, explosions and the vehicles. Nothing to write home about, but better than this. Still ugly as well, but given the slight edge at least because it doesn't have pixels that stab your eyes.

My standards for what DS can do are higher. This is a game for that system, and it looks ugly. There's no dancing around it. I'm not going to make qualifying statements like "well if you consider the hardware..." because that's no excuse when determining how beautiful something is objectively rather than just on a technical level based on the extreme limitations of the hardware. That's silly. I mean, obviously consessions have to be made. Handhelds aren't consoles and I wouldn't expect console-level visuals out of them. And similarly DS is no PSP, so I don't expect PSP-level 3D of it. But this is ugly by any real decent DS standard (and I mean that in terms of what it IS capable of), and unless you're prone to making ridiculous excuses whenever someone makes fun of a clearly grotesque looking DS game I see no reason why you should even be defending it.

This is a screenshot thread. It is not in any way, shape or form an attractive game. Alright? If you REALLY want to discuss the merits of what the title could offer that's fine, but you should just stop with the silly excuses and qualifications for why the game looks ugly. It looks ugly. DS can do better and will do better. That's the end of that.

You say the DS is more powerful than PSX/N64, but I've seen no proof of that. Every 3D game for the system looks like shit, save for NFSU2 and Black & White, the latter being the more graphically pleasing of the two. But screw all that. Let's raise the standard here and compare this to what's being done on modern consoles. Want my opinion? It still doesn't look bad. It looks technically emaciated, but it's enough to do the great art justice. Some games just look good no matter how dated.

 

[empanada]

It looks fine to me. And that pic Hollywood posted looks great. The zooming in uglyness comes from the lack of texture filtering so thats a hardware limitation. Nothing much can be done about that...

 

[Acosta]

I absolutely love the idea, Black & White it´s a great game to have in a portatile, specially one with a touch pannel.

I thinlk graphics are nice for DS. As far as the iron the gameplay from B&W it has the potential to be a good game.

 

[Azelover]

It looks good for what the hardware is capable of. I think some of you people get too affected by other people's complaints of the DS, it's in their own right to think it looks shit, even if it seems ignorant.

 

[fse]

To people bitching about the looks. Develop your own god damned game.

 

[Deku]

To people bitching about the looks. Develop your own god damned game.

:lol

I also think Amir has no life. Everytime I drop into GAF to read something his name is all over the DS threads passively attacking the platform.

 

[Cragstar]

Tell me WTF is so ugly about this pic?

Its on the DS and some people don't like it.
No point arguing with Amir0x, he'll just quote and quote you all day long, its a wierd obsession of his, and he can't help. Also he refuses to take off his PSP tinted glasses and remember its only a cheap friggin handheld

 

[Cragstar]

:lol

I also think Amir has no life. Everytime I drop into GAF to read something his name is all over the DS threads passively attacking the platform.

EVERYDAY yet he still remains untouched

 

[Koshiro]

So guys a new game coming to DS that's well suited to it's features and makes good use of them and... oh, you're arguing like five year olds again.

 

[Cragstar]

Nope but people are moaning about a game that 1 year away from release.

 

[D-X]

I'm still wounded by the lack of a publisher for the DC version

 

[bigNman]

Black and White has large maps with many buildings and NPC's plus your creature. The game is probably devoting quite a lot of power in keeping the world ticking over (more so than most games) So they can hardly use 100% of the DS's power just for the graphics can they?

I think it looks decent for a cheap handheld.

The system's microphone will also be employed for speech recognition, so players can use voice commands to encourage or berate their creature.

nice.

 

[radioheadrule83]

God knows why, but mountainous terrain makes me want a port of Soviet Strike even though the games couldn't be further apart...

I think the most important things about this news for me is:

• It's Black and White
• Crammed into a 3" space, these shots wouldn't look bad
• Running at a decent clip - it will, like a lot of DS games, look better in motion
• The DS interface should marry well with this game

This is absolutely the kind of thing I want to see more of on DS.

 

[Amir0x]

:lol Everytime I drop into GAF to read something his name is all over the DS threads passively attacking the platform.

Interesting enough, this is only the first or second time I've got into any real argument over DS visuals, because I usually think highly of it. I've stated in many threads my position on various games, so please keep your shitty little conspiracies to yourself. Nobody much cares, you'll find, because unlike you I'm not dickwhipped to any particular platform. You're only going to hear the truth. The fact that this game is so ugly is just supplimental to your uncomfortable position at the moment.

For proof of you not truly paying attention, please check out my great defenses of DS here and hey, why we're at it you can find a quote about my thoughts on visuals from months ago...

very impressive for the little-DS-that-could. I'm telling j00 all, it's going to surprise a lot of people by the end of its life. It's not as incapable as people assume.

Oh hey, is that a positive comment?

Likewise, you can find just as many negative comments as you can positive. I'm very secure with my opinions and feel no need to justify them to you, although I consistently keep doing so anyway.

You say the DS is more powerful than PSX/N64, but I've seen no proof of that. Every 3D game for the system looks like shit, save for NFSU2 and Black & White, the latter being the more graphically pleasing of the two. But screw all that. Let's raise the standard here and compare this to what's being done on modern consoles. Want my opinion? It still doesn't look bad. It looks technically emaciated, but it's enough to do the great art justice. Some games just look good no matter how dated.

The, uh, proof is in the technical specs. We know what the thing should be capable of based on its tech specs. And many of the 3D games simply have not done this yet. That aside, uh, I don't even know how you came to your final conclusion. Compared to modern consoles...wtf? You think it doesn't look bad? Shit, I'm not even comparing it to modern consoles. But if you want to go THAT route, you don't even need to go far. Shit, just compare it to the PC Black and White and it's game over. But that's stupid, why would we compare it to modern consoles?

To people bitching about the looks. Develop your own god damned game.

You do not need to be able to do something better in order to be perfectly capable of criticizing something.

 

[Donnie]

You PSP fans don't have to try to justify your purchase in every single DS thread, ok? Everyone already knows that the PSP has better graphics. So is the point of bring it up in every DS thread?

Look, graphics are not everything. Would you rather play the PSP version of this game? Oh its got lovely graphics, unfortunately it controls like a three wheel van with one wheel missing..

 

[Amir0x]

Anyone hear who doesn't already know that PSP has better graphics then DS please raise their hands? No didn't think so.. So is the point of bring it up in every thread, this forum has a real PSP fan-boy infestation problem.

Interestingly enough, nobody brought up PSP except certain NDS fanboys. I wonder why! They're the ones who are making the implications.

Look, graphics are not everything. Would you rather play the PSP version of this game? Oh its got lovely graphics, unfortunately it controls like a three wheel van with one wheel missing.

I don't want B&W on PSP or DS. I think B&W sucks. However, IF I got it it would be for DS, since I feel the control scheme on NDS is ideal for Black & White type game.

 

[Donnie]

hollywood, what exactly do you want us to discuss in a thread primarily about screens?

The thread is not primarily about screens, its about a game! The screens are just posted to show the game. Its just a pitty that certain people can only bitch about graphics instead of actually talking about the game itself.

 

[Amir0x]

The thread is not primarily about screens, its about a game! The screens are just posted to show the game. Its just a pitty that certain people can only bitch about graphics instead of actually talking about the game itself.

No, see, this is a screenshot thread. Do you see any accompanying text about what new gameplay modes this will offer in the topic post? Do you see anyone mentioning something they've heard about the game? No? You don't? We know so little about what B&W DS will offer, except those few comments we got on IGN last night. This is a screenshot thread. Speculating about what it COULD offer and what it SHOULD offer is fine, but this is a thread for primarily screenshots. In this thread, we discuss how they look. They look ugly. Get the fuck over it. It's not going to kill the game or the gameplay to admit this.

If you want to talk about the game, fine - we know pretty much jackshit about the game so lock the thread until we do. Better yet, the original Black & White sucked ass so that doesn't give me much hope for B&W PSP and DS! Oh, but that's not what you wanted to hear, is it?

Please. There's a billion threads where we discuss gameplay, and a billion threads where we discuss visuals. There is room for both. If you don't like one of these, don't read the thread.

 

[Donnie]

Interestingly enough, nobody brought up PSP except certain NDS fanboys. I wonder why! They're the ones who are making the implications.

Erm sorry but you were the first person to bring up PSP in this thread.

 

[Sync M]

this has nothing to do with the grotesqueness of these screens, or why they're thoroughly unimpressive and ugly no matter what spin you try to put on it.

Do you carry this argument over to threads where PS2 is severely underpowered compared to Xbox?

 

[Donnie]

Amir0x

The thread is about Black and White coming to DS.. just because screenshots are posted that does not mean it is all about how good those graphics look. As I said unfortunately all some people can think about is bashing graphics compared to their beloved system. You know where that leads?.. stupid pointless arguments.

I don't need to get over anything. I'm perfectly comfortable with the reality of the situation. PSP will have better graphics with this game and DS will have the better control system.

 

[quin]

The thread is not primarily about screens, its about a game! The screens are just posted to show the game. Its just a pitty that certain people can only bitch about graphics instead of actually talking about the game itself.

wasn't black & white almost universily panned by everyone though?

 

[Amir0x]

Erm sorry but you were the first person to bring up PSP in this thread.

Bluemercury's implication that nobody complained about these visuals during PSX and N64 era was stupid, and the reasons had to be explained why. Surely you're not slow.

Do you carry this argument over to threads where PS2 is severely underpowered compared to Xbox?

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Again, this is an example of stretching to try to fit your agenda. Of course PS2 is less powerful compared to Xbox. In games where we discuss multiplatform titles for Xbox and PS2, chances are I will say the Xbox version looks better.

The thread is about Black and White coming to DS.. just because screenshots are posted that does not mean it is all about how good those graphics look. As I said unfortunately all some people can think about is bashing graphics compared to their beloved system. You know where that leads?.. stupid pointless arguments.

Donnie, we have NO OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT B&W DS IN THIS THREAD. Do you fucking understand this? Are you grasping what the fuck I am saying? This is a screenshot thread. We discuss how the screens look. Get-the-fuck-over-it.

I don't need to get over anything. I'm perfectly comfortable with the reality of the situation. PSP will have better graphics with this game and DS will have the better control system.

No, you're obviously not comfortable with the reality of the situation. Nobody is even talking about Black & White PSP in this thread. Check. Check. We're talking about these screenshots.

Double check. I don't like Black & White.

Triple check. I think the NDS version will be ideal due to control scheme, not PSP version.