Jumping to conclusions there Haly. There could be another one that gives 3 but can't target the same target as mazre on the same night. Or other combinations.
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Bloodborne |Mafia OT| The Night Brims With Defiled Scum
- Thread starter ScraftyDevil
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Jumping to conclusions there Haly. There could be another one that gives 3 but can't target the same target as mazre on the same night. Or other combinations.
That's just bad game design. If this is what Scrafty did I'm going to send him a very sternly worded PM. There's an infinite number of combinations but only a handful I can see being approved for a game.
no actually kris i'm using information to reach conclusions, and the logical conclusion is it's unlikely that he's lying about being eileen as a non-town non-killing role so not killing is not something that is exceptionally suspicious for him. If he's lying he's still far more likely a killing role than not. feel free to throw your vote away and waste your time if you want but don't dismiss what i'm saying with some bullshit 'meta analysis herp derp' handwave.
Yeaaaaaahhh, about that
Nice try. It's been said multiple times in this thread that scum like to just coast by, yet here we are, saying an inactive probably isn't scum. Weird thing to stan for no?
Uh huh, I also think lynching you is a great idea but I'm afraid other's won't, even when you're flagrantly on the side of scum.Kristoffer said:
People who voted for you are scum? Uh, why so? Does that even make sense? You were bussing for a majority vote pretty hard, not to mention trying to direct people to vote for me instead of Mazre. How's your team chat going though? Busy?
Well, crap. We're not doing too bad with scum-slaying, so far. 
What's your beef, Squidy? I assure you, my D2 vote was amittedly hasty (and I didn't keep accurate count of the votes at the time) and I take full responsibility for any suspicions that may have caused. You have no reason to fear me.
If what you say is true, then you really are awfully hellbent on getting rid of me. Care to share something outside of an inactivity theory?
What's your beef, Squidy? I assure you, my D2 vote was amittedly hasty (and I didn't keep accurate count of the votes at the time) and I take full responsibility for any suspicions that may have caused. You have no reason to fear me.
If what you say is true, then you really are awfully hellbent on getting rid of me. Care to share something outside of an inactivity theory?
Well, crap. We're not doing too bad with scum-slaying, so far.
What's your beef, Squidy? I assure you, my D2 vote was amittedly hasty (and I didn't keep accurate count of the votes at the time) and I take full responsibility for any suspicions that may have caused. You have no reason to fear me.
If what you say is true, then you really are awfully hellbent on getting rid of me. Care to share something outside of an inactivity theory?
I'm not afraid of you, it's just you're scum and we need to get rid of you to win the game, nothing personal.
May I ask you believe I'm scum? Simply saying so isn't very helpful.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Squidyj is salty because his man-crush Palmer_vHunkSupreme bit the dust last night.
I stand accused, but I am not amused!
Anyway, can someone summarize the case for voting nudull today? I might switch my vote. Seath and I were discussing in the scum chat last night and we thought he would be a good distraction today after we converted roy.
II-Vanguard-II
Member
Right now it's either you or chair, one of you is lying however its more likely that chair is telling the truth based on last nights events.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Chair clearly wants to make enemies with me, even now, and I'm sure there's more going on with that than just poking the inactives and newbies.
CrimsonFist
Member
Does one of them have to be scum? Chair made a shot and claims he was blocked. Which is not that unexpected an outcome if he's town, unless there was no chance at all of him hitting scum.
It does put quite a bit of suspicion on the potential candidates, but it doesn't confirm that one or the other is scum.
flatearthpandas
Member
Two anti-town factions revealed so far, neither of them fit the description of blood-addled beasts. Want to share some more info, Chair? Are we meant to believe there is another? I could or could not believe this, wondering if there's any more relevant info to share.
Nightly death count still suggests only a single killing faction.
Pretty big assumption to make. Kills could have been protected. Chair could have killed Palmer. He could have retained from killing. By now he has claimed what he actually did but I see zero use in you making such strong assumptions so early.
So kin does nothing? No change to win condition? From mazre's role pm and the fact that we have any kin at all, it's clear that we have more people in this faction. It appears to be a neutral faction. With no obvious kill, I'm not sure it even qualifies as a threat to town. But it certainly doesn't seem friendly.
I imagine Mensis members would want to not vote people who have kb and vote out people who don't. So that's about ask i could see reading into mazre's votes.
Fantastic (sarcasm).. The guy (Palmer) trying to ban everyone together last minute to get me lynched gets killed. Looks great on me. Id like to point that out before anyone else does.
We need to look more into Mensis school and Kin - Like Squidyj said, Fauxesfka could be involved? Also - like you said Mazre had very little/no possibility of winning, which seemed near impossible after PM revel. As flatearthpandas said Kin doesnt not seem like a good thing but it has no effect on Roy? Can you shed any other info Roy?
So, at the VERY least 2 Scum teams confirmed..
People shouldnt be mistrusting Chair, yet... do you guys honestly believe he is making up his role? Id like to see ONE night go by before asking more questions. It seems like that would be a crazy ruse if he is making up his role. If he was blocked from a kill (like he says) why wouldnt it be a good thing to keep him around to make things happen for us in the future? Im not saying I trust him 100% yet either though, but would be cool to keep him around if he is telling the truth. Highly unlikely hes lying.
Vote: johnnyquicknives
We need to look more into Mensis school and Kin - Like Squidyj said, Fauxesfka could be involved? Also - like you said Mazre had very little/no possibility of winning, which seemed near impossible after PM revel. As flatearthpandas said Kin doesnt not seem like a good thing but it has no effect on Roy? Can you shed any other info Roy?
So, at the VERY least 2 Scum teams confirmed..
People shouldnt be mistrusting Chair, yet... do you guys honestly believe he is making up his role? Id like to see ONE night go by before asking more questions. It seems like that would be a crazy ruse if he is making up his role. If he was blocked from a kill (like he says) why wouldnt it be a good thing to keep him around to make things happen for us in the future? Im not saying I trust him 100% yet either though, but would be cool to keep him around if he is telling the truth. Highly unlikely hes lying.
Vote: johnnyquicknives
Freakinchair
Member
I would consider the holy church to fit the description - regular looking people that turn into beasts when attacked/killed. Could have been just flavor text.
You can doubt my intentions but so far I've only voted to lynch "anti" town players and managed to put a target on my back. The fact that I was blocked is much more advantageous to town considering I probably saved a cop / more beneficial role than what I can do. Also - there is 100% more Mensis members based on the role pm reveal.
Could you explain how do you think you saved a cop/role?
CrimsonFist
Member
Was anyone planning on pointing this out? Seems a bit preemptively defensive. You weren't even the only person he was scum reading at eod.
You know, I wasn't totally sure why MickD felt the need to throw in his two cents regarding Mazre near the end of D2. He was wasting his vote on me, clearly he didn't care who got lynched, right? Then I saw that big post of his just above this one where he actually starts playing the game, as though like the stakes have raised for him and he can't afford to coast anymore... shucks, if I didn't know any better, I'd say he's one of the neutrals!
scrafty is a she
modkill
MODKIIIIIILL!!!!!!!
flatearthpandas
Member
He scum read basically anyone who ever said anything negative about him or voted him for any reason. Pretty much no info from that and probably why he was targeted, imo.
weemadarthur
Member
Freakinchair, can you explain more about hearing you were roleblocked? That's not a normal thing to hear. Right now your claim looks fishy, because one kill per night is totally normal, just from the standard Mafia. So your claim is that Mafia was conveniently blocked in some way on night one, and you were conveniently blocked by roleblock specifically on night two. Why should we believe that over the thought that you're not town? You could even be healing church trying a bold gambit involving bussing someone day one for cred. But it's also plausible you're some neutral beast faction, taking credit for the Mafia kill because you know they can't contradict you.
Also, having people shout "one more day" has always been a scumtell to me. What would happen in one more day? Full conversion to kin? A better power? Some charge up mechanism?
Also, having people shout "one more day" has always been a scumtell to me. What would happen in one more day? Full conversion to kin? A better power? Some charge up mechanism?
This is fair. I think we just assumed that almost everyone knows Miss ScraftyDevil.
It's also awfully convenient that he would choose me as the target, out of all the others that went after Verelios so far (as per his stated reason).
So I find it interesting that Palmer points out the suspiciousness of Johnnyquickknives and is then dead the next night. JQK's posts in defense of Mazre are very suspect and are a clear attempt to dissuade town from going down the Mazre road. Though there are some other people who also tried to shift the conversation away from Mazre, I'll start with JQK and try and get him to post some reasonings.
Vote: johnnyquicknives
Vote: johnnyquicknives
II-Vanguard-II
Member
Why him?
(not defending him btw)
flatearthpandas
Member
On the other hand there's no indication Mensis faction can kill. So if JQK was fractioned with Mazre and feeling great from Palmer... we don't have evidence he could do anything about it. If JQK is Church, who we know has/had a kill, he'd have no reason to protect Mazre.
Not that i have a strong read on him one way or the other, just not following the logic.
I thought of that as well, if we assume Mensis can't kill then the night target makes less sense in regards to Palmer/JQK. Could the kill have been made in order to make it seem like Palmer was on the right track?
It is speculative, but I imagine that the Church could have a role which identifies others, they could be checking to see who all is on which team.
Why him? He's extremely suspicious, at least in regards to being Mazre's partner/teammate.
Reasons? Right, because of course the only thing you learn is lynching either me or Kris, instead of Mazre.
But Kristoffer isn't really an option now because reasons.
Uhhhh, over defensive, right. Calling out Kristoffer's baiting as a scum move sure is defensive. Let me know how much Kristoffer pays for belt shine when you get back up.
Let's deconstruct his posts a little.
There's one leading lynch target, Mazre. Kristoffer and Seath come out of nowhere and try to bus me, Johnny hops on almost immediately and is now trying to cheer the bus forward, with just enough hemming and hawing to seem impartial. Mazre isn't a good lynch target for...reasons. Kristoffer isn't a good lynch target for, again...reasons (posts weirdly, and seems scummy but whatever, not a good vote target(()!???)) okay).
I am a good lynch target for uh...well, I guess convenience. Responding is defensive play. Pointing out inconsistencies is defensive play. I'd bet talking about lore would be defensive play for Johnny. Well, well, well, that sure does sound like bussing me for 'reasons'.
So what does this say about Johnnyquicknives? He's invested in Mazre's lynch, could have either tried to hop on Kristoffer's lynch train for convenience or is a teammate of Kristoffer, and I was the sacrificial lamb.
I can bet the first thing Johnnyquicknives does when he pops into the thread is connect his and Palmers assertions with Palmer being town therfore he's also town. Nah, Palmer at least had qualms not to mention stating if Mazre flipped to look at him. You're scum through and through.
johnnyquicknives
Member
Because I was one of a few people pulling for a Verelios lynch over a Mazre one.
My reasoning hasn't changed. I didn't have a read on Mazre at all and didn't feel I'd learn much from his death. Obviously that turned out incorrect with the flip, but this early in the game the odds are against us getting a good lynch so theres a high chance we wont get much info from a role PM. I thought Verelios was a better option for two reasons:
1) I found it hard to discern whether some of his posts were showing genuine or manufactured inexperience (overly defensive, some coasting etc). Makes for a hard read.
2) He had interactions with a number of players which would have given something to go on today no matter the flip. While Mazre really had to flip scum (or neutral).
In essence I thought Mazre was a long shot and Verelios was safer. Long shot paid off though, so I'm here defending my thought process.
On Mazre's role in general I think it's obviously a neutral faction since the win condition doesn't rely on eliminating either of the others instead converting everyone which, if roy is to be believed, is purely cosmetic.
That leaves us with:
Town = Town - need to eliminate all threats
Church = Mafia - need to eliminate all threats
School = Neutral - need to have converted all remaining players
Freakinchair = ???
I still don't believe that Freak is straight town vigilante, it just doesn't add up.
You want to explain some of this Kris?
1) How did you know Freakinchair was roleblocked before he posted today?
A) How do you know he didn't kill Palmer?
B) How do you know he tried to kill at all?
2) What makes you assume there is a doctor and he'd protect chair?
weemadarthur
Member
This is a game like musical chairs, except with logic and arguing on a forum. If it looks fun, follow this thread for seeing when the next round starts. We are just using a video game theme.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1222990
Huh, right. So when a train started going to save Mazre you just shrugged and said 'normal?'. Haha. Also, talking about odds, interesting you took a chance on me despite me being extremely low in votes earlier in the day. But, REASONS.2) He had interactions with a number of players which would have given something to go on today no matter the flip. While Mazre really had to flip scum (or neutral).[/QUOTE]
Hm!? Show me the receipts! Nah, seriously, I want to know who I'm interacting with to support that statement. Aside from Kris and Seath, I've got, uh, nothing.
Let me even take a step back and AGREE with you, I've had interactions of 10+-8, so what? I'd think with that reasoning Kristoffer would be the first one you look at, if not for how many people he implicates then for how many people cry he isn't scum. But nah. We got reasons, fuck logic.
Yeah, okay, we got reasons. I have a reason why you made this post: You're scum.
weemadarthur
Member
You haven't had anything to say since I said I could read you as scum.
Do you have any new thoughts, or should the rest of us join you on your self vote?
I need to gather my thoughts but in the meantime, I'd say the latter.
weemadarthur
Member
Zippedpinhead
Member
Interesting... Johnnyquicknives votes coming up.
By flame(formerly hobo)...
I'm thinking that one of you is churchscum and one of you is that weird other faction.
I'll go along with this
vote: Johnnyquicknives
By flame(formerly hobo)...
I'm thinking that one of you is churchscum and one of you is that weird other faction.
I'll go along with this
vote: Johnnyquicknives
Spoiled Milk
Banned
I don't know where this bandwagon is coming from. Wtf did he even do?
Man, people are literally giving their reasoning on this page. I gave two posts, one not even 20 posts above yours.
Scum protecting scum though.
Freakinchair
Member
I don't think I've ever said to give me one more day. I literally just have to post my track record so far and its enough. As for my roleblock - I got a pm literally saying that a mysterious figure has prevented me from using my action. Unless you think I'm a scum (aka mafia) who is claiming vigilante to cover the kills who also voted for and killed his own member on day 1. Or claiming that I'm a neutral who decided to randomly paint himself as a huge target to literally everyone in the game then I guess a vote for me makes sense. Hint: It doesn't. The most likely story is that I'm actually telling the truth and it is in towns best interest to have me absorb a killshot/negative scum powers over whatever other (more beneficial) powers we have. Seems to be working so far. I also really wanted everyone to know that the scum failed their first nights kill because that kind of information gives our other power roles more information.
As for Nudull - these posts from the previous day (near the end of the day) make it seem like they were on both Mazre's and Verelios's sides and just voted for a third party:
If Nudull was on Mazre's team they could have saved him with a tie vote... but Nudull didn't. But Nudull also didn't want to endanger Verelios which leads me to believe that they are on the same team. Scum also knew I was going to target either Nudull or Verelios that night so I was blocked. I'm good for a lynch on either of them and believe that it will give us the most information.
Freakinchair
Member
I was blocked instead of them. The end!
Spoiled Milk
Banned
9 out of Verelios' 11 posts this day cycle have mentioned me.
Traumatized when I go to sleep you're gonna lead a lynch on me.
But really, name of the game is find scum. I'm trying to bring your scumminess into open view so bare with your government being called out every other post.