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Bloodborne |Mafia OT| The Night Brims With Defiled Scum
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flatearthpandas
Member
How are people feeling about flame? No one was really feeling hobo but flame has been better imo. But that baggage doesn't go away
Freakinchair
Member
That's fine - I can refrain from killing and/or wait for Squidy to OK it.
flatearthpandas
Member
As much as i don't enjoy vigs killing off town people, having squid okay everything is not a good idea. He could be scum, but more importantly he is as fallible as anyone else. Controlling a vig by the will of the town is one thing but by the will of one unconfirmed? Dumb.
II-Vanguard-II
Member
At this point after all that happened with nudull and squidy's general behavior, i'm 100% on squidy being town. so him okaying Vigilante kills probably minimizes town deaths.
flatearthpandas
Member
I clearly can't stop this but I'll go on the record to say i think y'all are dumb. I'd rather chair keep making his own dumbass mistakes than be potentially manipulated.
'Tis interesting chair is still alive though.
'Tis interesting chair is still alive though.
flatearthpandas
Member
I suppose odds are still in scum's favor for him hitting town but the teams seem small enough that I'm not sure if the risk would seem worth it.
flatearthpandas
Member
Vote: Weemadarthur
I don't believe their claim and i don't feel like it was revealed in a way to prime town's best interest.
I don't believe their claim and i don't feel like it was revealed in a way to prime town's best interest.
Man, I get a bit of a mean vibe from this game. Here is a picture of an adorable puppy to bring more joy:
Anyway, this whole role claiming stuff is such a mess. We have 5 claims, and only 1 of them I really believe, the rest are just....weird. Weemad basically claims that they can give things that will do things and that they need to do a thing, and that we shouldn't anger them because then a thing will happen. Lot's of things, not many details. Pandas said he got transformed last night, but is pretty vague about what it means, he no longer can be protected but still killed. Again, very vague and doesn't tell us a whole lot. Seath claims pretty unnecessary, outs a pr (which could be town or scum), needs to be prodded to give the other results which are all flipped ordinaries, and hasn't even told us his name/fluff as far as i recall. Then JQK basically refuses to claim anything. Four weird claims, and all of them just before or just after the point where scum powers were likely activated. I doubt that is just a coincidence. For now I have the least faith in the claims of weemad and JQK because of the complete lack of details given.
vote: johnnyquicknives
I am not against Squidyj pointing to vig targets, but it is risky since scum may have powers they can use to fuck with that. Maybe it is an idea that squidyj gives a number of potential targets, and chair picks one of those subset? That will make it harder for a potential scum pr to fuck with it.
I seriously hope that is not the case. Basically suicide as a strong town pr just because you are bored would be a pretty dick move to do towards your fellow townies. I don't think Seath would do that.
All that I said at the beginning of yesterday still counts. The transformation did literally nothing to my role and win condition.
Anyway, this whole role claiming stuff is such a mess. We have 5 claims, and only 1 of them I really believe, the rest are just....weird. Weemad basically claims that they can give things that will do things and that they need to do a thing, and that we shouldn't anger them because then a thing will happen. Lot's of things, not many details. Pandas said he got transformed last night, but is pretty vague about what it means, he no longer can be protected but still killed. Again, very vague and doesn't tell us a whole lot. Seath claims pretty unnecessary, outs a pr (which could be town or scum), needs to be prodded to give the other results which are all flipped ordinaries, and hasn't even told us his name/fluff as far as i recall. Then JQK basically refuses to claim anything. Four weird claims, and all of them just before or just after the point where scum powers were likely activated. I doubt that is just a coincidence. For now I have the least faith in the claims of weemad and JQK because of the complete lack of details given.
vote: johnnyquicknives
I am not against Squidyj pointing to vig targets, but it is risky since scum may have powers they can use to fuck with that. Maybe it is an idea that squidyj gives a number of potential targets, and chair picks one of those subset? That will make it harder for a potential scum pr to fuck with it.
I seriously hope that is not the case. Basically suicide as a strong town pr just because you are bored would be a pretty dick move to do towards your fellow townies. I don't think Seath would do that.
All that I said at the beginning of yesterday still counts. The transformation did literally nothing to my role and win condition.
At the start of the day I was leaning towards johnny but Seath's claim just completely muddies the waters. If I was in JQK's position I would be trying to clear up any confusion or doubt around my role. Being mysterious doesn't help us, especially when we have other roles that have been vague, although for good reason.
Vote: johnnyquicknives
I think that Freakinchair should be left to determine targets at their own initiative. Though if anyone was going to give them potential targets I'd be okay with Squidy doing it. I haven't thought of this before but I wonder why the role blocker didn't block Freakinchair again last night. If we have a scum roleblocker then surely they would always block Chair to reduce the risk of being targeted. The roleblocker being town seems more likely as maybe they saw Chair as a risk but then leaned towards them telling the truth.
Vote: johnnyquicknives
I think that Freakinchair should be left to determine targets at their own initiative. Though if anyone was going to give them potential targets I'd be okay with Squidy doing it. I haven't thought of this before but I wonder why the role blocker didn't block Freakinchair again last night. If we have a scum roleblocker then surely they would always block Chair to reduce the risk of being targeted. The roleblocker being town seems more likely as maybe they saw Chair as a risk but then leaned towards them telling the truth.
weemadarthur
Member
I thought hobo was towny on day one. Flame hasn't done anything to contradict that.
You think he's not confirmed? That's part of the question I was asking, you know. I believe he is confirmed, and frankly has the best reasoning in the game.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Stoked to kill our doctor today. We had a sizable lead and we blew it. Congrats, town.
flatearthpandas
Member
He is unconfirmed....
We have inferences based off of vague shit he said which also led to the jqk train that's currently leading the day. As if the cop wouldn't tell us if he grabbed scum.
Chair is the closest thing we have to confirmed town imo. No idea why a sane townie would want to turn his powers over to another player because the cop said he seemed townie d2. Chair also has the best voting record in the game right now. I get most of the players here don't rely on that but it has won me games and money talks afaic. Roy and squid took turns leading and bandwagoning scum from two different factions while chair rode both trains in basically the same car. He also didn't participate in yesterday's stupid haly mislynch. While he has shot two townies now I'd still prefer he keeps making his own mistakes or bends to the will of the town collective.
flatearthpandas
Member
Apologies for pronouns and confusion in general. But we have a jqk train based off of vague inferences of what nudull said and that is less than useless imo, while the squid "confirmation" is more understandable to think but still reaching imo.
My vote on JQK is not set in stone. I may switch to weemad later or verelios to see what scum does with all these claimed pr during the night. But I want JQK to tell us more about his power. I don't see the reason for keeping mum. If it is to hide from scum it is already to late, scum has an information advantage over us by knowing for sure that seath and/or JQK are not in their team, so if JQK is an outed town pr, scum already knows that. If JQK is town, leaving us in the dark like this at this point only helps scum by making him look very scummy.
CrimsonFist
Member
Something about Freak that's bothering me. An unlimited shot vig is very unusual, but Freak hasn't mentioned anything about being x-shot or anything. Plus as a claimed vig he's a: still alive, and b: actually managed to get off a shot.
So as a runthrough of other stuff:
Seath claimed tracker for no good reason, outed a PR of unknown alignment and is now acting suicidal.
Johnny is some sort of PR who visited Pandas last night, after Pandas requested protection/investigation. Has been evading requests to role claim despite being the vote leader.
Role claiming will help several things. It could at least prevent the lynch of a town power role and possibly give us more information based on night actions. And it would at least give us more to base our decisions on.
Weemad does something. Town can't target them at night because bad stuff will happen, but they're totally town. Not to mention that the claim came about last minute to prevent a lynch.
The role pandas is claiming sounds anti town, but fluff wise at least, they shouldn't be aligned with any of the factions we know of, unless it's a fake name claim or neutral. But his claim was handled in the least scummy way of them at least.
Then there's verelios, who was one of the potential vig candidates when Pandas was blocked, and has been. Reading his posts don't give me a particularly good feeling. Seems to be responding to accusations with a lot of frustration.
So in terms of who I want to lynch, I'd say Verelios > Johnny = Weemad > Seath.
Subject to change based on responses.
Vote: Verelios
Seath please respond to this.
So as a runthrough of other stuff:
Seath claimed tracker for no good reason, outed a PR of unknown alignment and is now acting suicidal.
Johnny is some sort of PR who visited Pandas last night, after Pandas requested protection/investigation. Has been evading requests to role claim despite being the vote leader.
Role claiming will help several things. It could at least prevent the lynch of a town power role and possibly give us more information based on night actions. And it would at least give us more to base our decisions on.
Weemad does something. Town can't target them at night because bad stuff will happen, but they're totally town. Not to mention that the claim came about last minute to prevent a lynch.
The role pandas is claiming sounds anti town, but fluff wise at least, they shouldn't be aligned with any of the factions we know of, unless it's a fake name claim or neutral. But his claim was handled in the least scummy way of them at least.
Then there's verelios, who was one of the potential vig candidates when Pandas was blocked, and has been. Reading his posts don't give me a particularly good feeling. Seems to be responding to accusations with a lot of frustration.
So in terms of who I want to lynch, I'd say Verelios > Johnny = Weemad > Seath.
Subject to change based on responses.
Vote: Verelios
Seath please respond to this.
I'm not even sure where to start Panda. So, Nudull as the investigator had to have investigated someone every night. They'd most likely know their affiliation the following day. Squidyj is the most reasonable example of being cleared afterwards. This is just going off inferences, but do you disagree with this?
Also, saying chair has made good decisions in the past is...just not true. You can't up and keep shooting town then call it a learning experience. From what you say, he should keep frolicking until he's experienced shooting nearly everyone.
Also, saying chair has made good decisions in the past is...just not true. You can't up and keep shooting town then call it a learning experience. From what you say, he should keep frolicking until he's experienced shooting nearly everyone.
If JQK was doc he'd have spoken up about it. He has no reason not to, he's mafia's obvious target tonight, and if he's not doc then the real doc isn't going to waste protection on a potential neutral. He's obviously Mensis. He visited flatearthpandas because he knew that FEP wouldn't be recieving any other visitors after a post like this:
Neither doc nor maf would want to risk a night action on such bait, which makes FEP a perfect target for conversion since he claimed he can "take care of himself" after last night. After all, Mensis don't want to convert people they don't think will stay alive.
Neither doc nor maf would want to risk a night action on such bait, which makes FEP a perfect target for conversion since he claimed he can "take care of himself" after last night. After all, Mensis don't want to convert people they don't think will stay alive.
CrimsonFist
Member
Yeah, I meant Chair
Spoiled Milk
Banned
It's pretty possible that JQK wanted to see what would come of FEP. There's a very strong chance FEP is "helpful" to town. And now that he did his job last night, he's irritated on being called out.
To be honest, if I were scum, I would have not risked visiting FEP last night because of, cough, trackers. If I were a doctor, I wouldn't have minded being tracked by a town tracker.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Btw, my read on flame_ac right now is that he doesn't post a whole lot, but I think there's no way he's Mensis because he was very early on the Mazre lynch. Brownie points for him.
flatearthpandas
Member
I agree that Nudull most likely investigated both nights. I disagree that there is sufficient evidence to believe they cleared squidy or anyone. I think the argument that they found jqk as scum is a poor farce and one instance of non-specific language from a dead cop does not make a pattern.
I've made it very clear the whole game that i think chair has made poor decisions as supposed vig, starting with his first kill and ensuing role claim.. But his voting record is the best of anyone hands down so he is the cleanest from that perspective. A few misfires doesn't mean i think he should hand over his power to anyone.
know something we don't crimson?
CrimsonFist
Member
The context should make it obvious that I meant to refer to Freak.
Actually, JQK being Mensis wanting to convert fep does make a lot of sense. Maybe he gambled on the fact that fep would be protected tonight, and would become nk immune after that. Would be the perfect target to have as kin. It would also explain why nobody was converted last night, Mensis temporarily abandoned the people they were working on in order to convert fep asap.
flatearthpandas
Member
The best bet for mensis is to spread their seed and start topping people up as endgame approaches imo. If they believed i am nk immune, that would just mean they have all the time in the game to convert me. Why risk getting caught by a watcher to do it asap? I think it is more likely that jcq is a watcher or the doctor personally.
MagnumBoy20xx
Neo Member
Sorry for not posting much. No excuses, just being a bad player.
I'm not sure how I feel about the new developments, especially seath's claim.
I understand why some people want to Lynch JQK and velerios, and if I had to choose between one of those two to lynch, right now I would say verelios.
However, we still have a good amount of time left in the day phase, so I want to pursue someone else for the time being.
vote:weemadarthur
You made a roll claim at the last second in the previous day phase and then promptly tried to hammer haly.
There was no immediate danger of you getting lynched when you voted, halt had a substantial lead in the votes by that point. So, why did you try to hammer him?
I'm not sure how I feel about the new developments, especially seath's claim.
I understand why some people want to Lynch JQK and velerios, and if I had to choose between one of those two to lynch, right now I would say verelios.
However, we still have a good amount of time left in the day phase, so I want to pursue someone else for the time being.
vote:weemadarthur
You made a roll claim at the last second in the previous day phase and then promptly tried to hammer haly.
There was no immediate danger of you getting lynched when you voted, halt had a substantial lead in the votes by that point. So, why did you try to hammer him?
Spoiled Milk
Banned
No, weemad had like 9 votes at that point. They were definitely doomed.
MagnumBoy20xx
Neo Member
I'm talking about this vote:
Which is counted on the final votes as the twelfth vote for haly. You even counted it yourself....
There are many reasons to be voting weemad right now, but I'm not sure where you're going with this one. There were like two minutes left when they voted Haly, it's not like the hammer made much of a difference.
MagnumBoy20xx
Neo Member
That's the point. Why bother hammering? What did weemad gain by doing so?
MagnumBoy20xx
Neo Member
Exactly, the only thing you gain is attention. The bad kind, as it paints weemad as someone who is kinda scummy.
It mustn't of brought that much attention to them if no-one has mentioned it until you did.
If JQK is Mensis, I don't think it makes sense. Why go to the number one target for the night where a bunch of PRs are probably going be. I agree with FEP saying that they would be better off saving them for later if they are supposedly NK immune.
JQK could be scum watcher, they probably would have gotten a lot of information last night as far as roles go if all the people showed up. Maybe scum weighed the odds on finding most of the PRs and decided it was good enough to send one of their own in.
JQK could be scum watcher, they probably would have gotten a lot of information last night as far as roles go if all the people showed up. Maybe scum weighed the odds on finding most of the PRs and decided it was good enough to send one of their own in.
MagnumBoy20xx
Neo Member
Not unless it acquired the attention of the right people.
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Also: This is another reminder about gender pronouns. Please go look right now at the list of players and pronouns in the first post. If it comes up again, there will be no more warnings. The offender will be replaced, and if we are not able to replace them, then they will be modkilled.
We've never had this much trouble with this issue in a Gafia game, and to be honest, I'm incredibly disappointed. Gafia has always been such a welcoming and fun community, and so I hate that I'm having to step in and have this fight. It's impossible for me or anyone to say who is doing things by accident and who is doing them maliciously, but the bottom line is that feelings are getting hurt, and I will not have that. Please, please try to show respect for one another. This is a game. If we aren't having a good time, then what is the point?
Spoiled Milk
Banned
You tied the noose!
CrimsonFist
Member
You'd think that they wouldn't let a town vig live either.
They have no reason to if they keep hitting town, just speeds up the game for them.
weemadarthur
Member
Roy, squidy, seath. You've been a pleasure to play with. The rest of you can go film a human centipede movie.
Freakinchair
Member
Damn - that came out of nowhere