No. Each and every restore or upgrade has to be signed off by Apple's servers (it won't work if you're offline) and Apple stops approving 'old' firmwares shortly after they release a new one. You can't even restore to same firmware if it's not the newest one. Downgrades have been out of the question for almost two years now :?
Bloomberg: iPad 3 in March with retina display, quad core chip
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Slurpy2k20
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I'm way more obsessed with the new iPad than I should be. Scouring rumor sites every chance I get, multiple times a day. I just want to fucking buy it already.
brotkasten
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It's just a toy, you'll live.
Now that is more reasonable, because I feel exactly the same!
*shrugs*
Computer, this is Tobor's computer.
Not to me. Now the Vita I just bought is a toy.
What should I be asking for a 64 GB 3G iPad 2, anyway?
Tralfamadore64
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Well, I sold my 32GB 1st Gen iPad on Amazon for $325 in "good" condition. I'm tempted to put that toward an iPad 3, but I'm really considering the Kindle Fire instead. The fact is, I didn't use my iPad a whole lot for anything beyond what the Fire can do. The thing was essentially a bedroom/bathroom/coffee shop web browser, pre-sleep movie watcher, and... well, that was really it. Most of the apps I purchased were of the gee-whiz-that's-neat variety and I never used anything after a week except for Netflix and VLC.
My primary hesitation, honestly, is just that I'm so invested in the Apple brand at this point. I have a Mac, a Mac Air, an iPhone 4s, and an Apple TV right now, so I feel pretty locked into iTunes and the App store. At the same time, i have a Kindle, which I love, and I'm a big fan of Amazon's store. I'm just at a loss here.
Anyone see a reason beyond streaming movies and surfing the web that would give me reason to spend twice as much on the next generation of iPad?
My primary hesitation, honestly, is just that I'm so invested in the Apple brand at this point. I have a Mac, a Mac Air, an iPhone 4s, and an Apple TV right now, so I feel pretty locked into iTunes and the App store. At the same time, i have a Kindle, which I love, and I'm a big fan of Amazon's store. I'm just at a loss here.
Anyone see a reason beyond streaming movies and surfing the web that would give me reason to spend twice as much on the next generation of iPad?
my rule of thumb is to look at the refurb price then knock off a little more since theres almost no warranty left.
so maybe an even 700 to start things off?
Technosteve
Banned
I don't want to wait on line for this but I will wait in line for this.
So if I wait for a price drop, $600? I can live with that. I'll wait it out in luxury and keep mine then.
yeah. plus or minus 50 bucks depending on how much people on the lookout for used iPads value the 64 GB storage (I have found this has less value for people in the used market. its not proportional to the markup you pay for it new)
Al-ibn Kermit
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You have to decide whether the smaller screen is acceptable for you. For $300,there are actually some decent 10 inch tablets you could find.
But if you're sure that a 7 inch tablet is good enough, I would suggest getting the Asus memo 370T tablet. It's $250 which is only $50 bucks more than the kindle fire but it has a much more powerful quad core CPU, twice as much RAM, and twice the amount of internal storage (16 gb vs 8 gb).
JCreasy
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THis is me, except I've been doing this for a year now, ever since the iPad 2 reveal.
I've been waiting for Retina display and now it's almost here
A better way to look at things where you feel you are 'too deep' to back out (and this goes with anything), is that the longer you take to get out, the 'deeper' you go. You're never really locked in. You paid money for stuff, and you used it at the time.
Look forward.
Tralfamadore64
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Yeah, I'm not worried about the size. Honestly, the iPad was a little clunky to use in bed for watching movies (to me, anyway). And I trust Amazon as a company as much as I trust Apple, and I have faith in them as a brand, so it seems reasonable to stick with a product from a trusted source, you know? I think I'll roll with the Fire for now. The more I think about it, the more I realize that I can't really justify the extra cost of an iPad, and that I'm hesitant to invest in anything else. And at 200 bucks, if I find myself dissatisfied after the return window, I don't have a problem passing it along to a family member, you know?
Slurpy2k20
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I know what you're saying, You know?
I gave it a shot, mainly because it was 200, I love my Kindle reader, and I was hoping to put off having to spend 400+ on an ipad or other 'major' tablet. Personally, it was 'decent', certainly the best at the price (other than the Nook), but I found it a little too rough around the edges; the video streaming quality was never really satisfactory to me, the app store layout was really disappointing, and holy crap did not having a physical volume button get more and more annoying than I originally thought it would be as I used it.
I ended up returning it a few weeks ago, and will use the money toward the ipad 3. As I said, the Fire is not a 'bad' product by any means, and I've never had an ipad to compare it to, but I just found myself unhappy with it a little too frequently after dropping the 200. YMMV.
Al-ibn Kermit
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Just go to a best buy or something and try out the KF and see how you like it.
brotkasten
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O right, I forgot. "Computer" *chuckles*
Why do you act like its a joke? It is a computer. Tablets are PC's. All the sales tracking for this includes it in PC sales. Everyone, NPD, IDG..etc track its sales as a PC form factor alongside the Mac. Not part of the iPhone or iPod line or a toy or whatever. But as a computer.
Tablets are a computer, period that is a fact. Tablet is a PC form-factor like netbooks, notebooks, and desktops. Apple's own people say their research shows most people who buy one buy it INSTEAD of a PC, not in addition to a PC. In fact some of their iPad customers buy it instead of buying a Mac.
Read this: http://technologizer.com/2011/12/05/how-the-ipad-2-became-my-favorite-computer/
It allows you to check the internet, read & send e-mail, & write documents. AKA 90% of what the average consumer needs a computer for. If it is just a toy why is it being deployed so heavily in enterprise? Comcast gives all of its employees who go out to install and fix cable boxes iPad's now instead of notebooks which they used to give them for instance.
This so called 'toy" is taken over the entire PC industry. It already outsells desktops, it very soon will outsell notebooks and desktops combined and be the far and way the main PC form-factor on the market for the general public.
My parents used to both have notebooks, they both each only have an iPad now because it does everything they need. My grandparents who never had a computer use an iPad and send e-mails to the family now on a regular basis, which the never did before. The iPad is a computer, there no way to argue that. It's a computer as much as every other PC form-factor is.
Al-ibn Kermit
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Because it is still much less capable software-wise.
And while it is more portable, there are certain physical disadvantages it has versus a desktop/laptop. I personally switch between PC, phone, and tablet depending on where I am and what I'm doing. I use my phone far more than the other two just because it is always with me in my pocket but I would still hate only having it even if you're only talking about simple tasks like web browsing and email.
And while it is more portable, there are certain physical disadvantages it has versus a desktop/laptop. I personally switch between PC, phone, and tablet depending on where I am and what I'm doing. I use my phone far more than the other two just because it is always with me in my pocket but I would still hate only having it even if you're only talking about simple tasks like web browsing and email.
krypt0nian
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So what? Again for most, this is all they do on desktops. For them it is all the capability they require.
Yeah its a far less capable computer, which is why it is half the price of Apple's low-end Macbook. But to claim it isn't a computer is absurd. Apple markets it as a computer, it used by many people instead of a computer, and all PC sales trackers include it in PC sales. Its not a high-end computer by any means but it is indeed a computer.
It does everything and does them pretty damn well that most people need from a home computer. Most people only need one for internet browsing, social networks, e-mail, and some light document writing. All of which iPad does.
Netbooks, Tablets, Notebooks, & Desktops are all PC's.
My parents are in town with the iPad 2 we got them for Christmas.
Man, that thing is so much faster than my crappy ipad1 on ios5.
Anyway, my parents are the most computer illiterate people ever. Seriously, a mouse, logins, etc would confuse and frustrate them.
But seeing them with the iPad... It's the best computer for them, because it's a computer that has what no laptop or desktop has - accessibility and convenience. The difficulty curve of using an iPad is so so low. This is a fact. I've seen 2-year olds pick it up with ease. I never would've thought I'd ever see my parents using a computer. We tried, of course, but most computers were too overwhelming and daunting for them.
But on their iPad, The're browsing the web, playing games, sending emails, and communicating with friends and family they would only otherwise do by phone. It's been two months and already their world has been changed.
Man, that thing is so much faster than my crappy ipad1 on ios5.
Anyway, my parents are the most computer illiterate people ever. Seriously, a mouse, logins, etc would confuse and frustrate them.
But seeing them with the iPad... It's the best computer for them, because it's a computer that has what no laptop or desktop has - accessibility and convenience. The difficulty curve of using an iPad is so so low. This is a fact. I've seen 2-year olds pick it up with ease. I never would've thought I'd ever see my parents using a computer. We tried, of course, but most computers were too overwhelming and daunting for them.
But on their iPad, The're browsing the web, playing games, sending emails, and communicating with friends and family they would only otherwise do by phone. It's been two months and already their world has been changed.
TBH, the apps are what keep me ipad too. I do need the larger screen though, for pdf reading etc, so the price differential for a capable alternative isn't that large - certainly not large enough to entice me away right now
Well, aren't you two just a couple of smug assholes.
Anyone crazy enough to laugh at the idea that the iPad is a computer (despite the fact it is classified as a PC and sales are tracked alongside desktop and laptops, not e-readers and smartphones) needs to speak to the millions of people out there who were able to replace their computer with a iPad 2, and rather successfully.
Or at least read this cover story. Spoiler alert, he was able to write for and run the magazine as well as post news to their website for the entire week experiement using just the iPad:
I'm sure he could have also done the magazine on an iPhone, your argument lacks logic.
It's a hell of a lot easier to do work on a larger scale, ie my 2x24" dells at work are needed.
This thread has the opposites of the PC vs mobility device as the future and I don't think either is correct, they both have their advantages and disadvantages.
It's a hell of a lot easier to do work on a larger scale, ie my 2x24" dells at work are needed.
This thread has the opposites of the PC vs mobility device as the future and I don't think either is correct, they both have their advantages and disadvantages.
No one would argue iPad's aren't as easy for work related functions as desktops and notebooks. I still use my MacBook a lot. But that is not what defines something as a computer. Netbooks are considered computers. I have a piece of crap super cheap netbook from about 5 years ago The iPad 2 does literally everything better and faster that I need a home computer for than that piece of junk does.
Note everyone has the skills to create the backend that makes that iPad set up work, or the luxury of a corporate IT department to set it up for themAnyone crazy enough to laugh at the idea that the iPad is a computer (despite the fact it is classified as a PC and sales are tracked alongside desktop and laptops, not e-readers and smartphones) needs to speak to the millions of people out there who were able to replace their computer with a iPad 2, and rather successfully.
Or at least read this cover story. Spoiler alert, he was able to write for and run the magazine as well as post news to their website for the entire week experiement using just the iPad:
Wandering Coder:
Since the beginning of 2010 when the iPad was released, there has been no end of debates over whether it is suitable for creating content, or whether it is primarily a "content consumption" (ugh) device (as if the choices were thus limited…. I am resolutely of the opinion that the iPad is an easel that very much supports serious creative endeavors given the right environment.
I unfortunately had (as you may have noticed) to qualify that last statement. Besides a few colleagues at work, two examples of iPad-using people that I base this statement on are the Macalope and Harry McCracken. And these examples have something in common: in all three cases, once the work is done, the documents are sent, handled, stored, etc. by either a corporate server, or a publishing CMS, or some other similar infrastructure. Here the iPad only needs to make a good job of storing the document for the time necessary to complete it; once done and sent, the document can even be removed from the device.
Let us contrast that with another situation. My father is a high school teacher; for the last 25+ years he has been working using computers, preparing teaching notes, transparent slides to project, diagrams, tests and their answers, student average note calculation documents, etc. on his Macs (and before that on an Apple ][e). He shares some of these with his colleagues (and back) and sometimes prints on school printers, so he is not working in complete isolation, but he cannot rely on a supporting infrastructure and has to ensure and organize storage of these teaching material documents himself. He will often need to update these when it's time to teach the same subject one year later, because the test needs to be changed so that it's not the exact same as last year, because the curriculum is changing this year, because the actual class experience of using them the previous year led him to think of improvements to make the explanation clearer, because this year he's teaching a class with a different option so they have less hours of his course (but the same curriculum…
- Sure, one can manage documents in, say, Pages. But can one manage hundreds of them? Even with search this is at best a chore, and it's easy to feel lost as there is no spatial organization; and search could return irrelevant results and/or not find the intended document because of e.g. synonyms.
- If one remembers a document, but not the app which was used to create it, it's hard to find it again, as the system-wide search in iOS cannot search in third-party apps (at least it couldn't when this feature was released in iPhone OS 3.0, and I am not aware of this having changed), so one has to search each and every app where this document could have been made.
- In some cases, for a project for instance, it is necessary to group documents created by different apps: sometimes there is no single app that can manage all the different media for a single project. On iOS these documents can only exist segregated into their own apps with no way to logically group them.
- If there is a screwup, as far as I am aware it is not possible to restore a single document from backup, in fact it does not seem possible to restore a single app from backup, only full device restores, which may not be practical as it likely means losing work done elsewhere.
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
This dick-bashing contest is really killing the buzz.
Haha, I'll just wait for stock to be in ample supply a few weeks after it launches. For some reason I'm getting the same way about the Nike Fuel Band, though I don't own a single pair of Nike's and know it's just a glorified pedometer.
Keylime
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Having my iPad boxed up and ready to ship once I sell it is frustrating. I forget how much I depend on it for my daily routine until I remove it completely.
The demand for the iPad is strong in me...using my laptop on my couch is such a pain in the ass.
The demand for the iPad is strong in me...using my laptop on my couch is such a pain in the ass.
Get a better laptop
Ken Masters
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Anyone crazy enough to laugh at the idea that the iPad is a computer (despite the fact it is classified as a PC and sales are tracked alongside desktop and laptops, not e-readers and smartphones) needs to speak to the millions of people out there who were able to replace their computer with a iPad 2, and rather successfully.
Or at least read this cover story. Spoiler alert, he was able to write for and run the magazine as well as post news to their website for the entire week experiement using just the iPad:
ipad + keyboard setup is just stupid in my eyes when you can have a Macbook pro or air. The point of the iPad is not to need any external components
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
The NextWorth folks are re-doing the inspection on my ipad 2 after I complained. Hopefully a different outcome.
I just can't understand how every sub category would be listed in great condition, then overall they put "Fair."
Note the also said "No" to the "Back Plate Dented or Scratched?" category.
I just can't understand how every sub category would be listed in great condition, then overall they put "Fair."
Note the also said "No" to the "Back Plate Dented or Scratched?" category.
Keylime
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Don't troll me, good sir. I'm vulnerable and weak without my mighty iPad to soothe my soul.
I'm just spoiled by the tablet form factor on the couch and dislike having to put a laptop on my lap to do things. Anyone using a laptop on the couch is straight up slumming it, man.
1st world problems.
freenudemacusers
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i like using it on the couch more than my macbook pro. come at me.
Tell that to the millions out there who replaced their PC with a iPad. Apple's research says there are many iPad owners out there who bought iPad as there new PC to replace an old computer.
Or IDG, NPD, etc who track the sales of PC's and include iPad alongside Desktops, Notebooks, Netbooks, etc and not lumped in with e-readers and other devices like those.
You bored this morning?
planar1280
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iPads currently cannot do 10% of what PCs are capable of in terms of functionality alone and processing. Only users (which amount of 90% of audience) use a PC for only basics like email/browsing and that is not what the PC is designed to do.
Dreams-Visions
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1), half the price of a Pro or Air.
2) Try it with a keyboard before speaking about peripherals. Physics keyboards are the only way the device becomes truly useful for emailing and content creation.
Perhaps the portion of the population that only used 10% of their computer's power is larger than you believe.
I'm always bored. It's not a denegration of the product by the way, so I'm always flaberghasted when people get all bent out of shape about it.
YuriLowell
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iPad would work in small cases like that, in large enterprise?
No way.
No way.
I know, and I get where you're coming from, I just think it's silly semantics. The iPad is obviously a "computer", it's just not a traditional desktop environment. I don't take issue with that, I don't want a traditional desktop environment on my mobile devices.
We got into this in detail the last time, so I don't want to rehash the same old crap. And you are a smug asshole, it takes one to know one.
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