Wrestlemania
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Who cares? Is anyone actually using an iPad 2 and regularly thinking "FUCK THIS NEEDS MORE RAM JESUS".
Bloomberg: iPad 3 in March with retina display, quad core chip
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Who cares? Is anyone actually using an iPad 2 and regularly thinking "FUCK THIS NEEDS MORE RAM JESUS".
Dreams-Visions
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what they hell are you babbling on and on about chipsets and processors when the only point of discussion is the display resolution to which the most logical step is a 2x upgrade? and engaging a straw man "better through infinity" future? he didn't even say that. the fuck?
Apple will double the resolution because it's the next logical step. Because they've done it before and know it works. Because they've been down this road before. How is drawing the most obvious, most logical conclusion in any way "suspect"? A toddler could make that prediction. it's neither bold nor surprising except to you it seems. You know what would surprise everyone? Them NOT doubling the resolution. That's how obvious a move that is.
brotkasten
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Of course RAM is important. I have an OG iPad with 256 MB RAM, apps crash all the time and I can't browse sites with many pictures.
Wrestlemania
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They'll release it with however much RAM is needs to work as well or better than the iPad 2. It really doesn't matter what amount is, so it's weird when people are demanding a specific amount.
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I purchased a Transformer Prime but I think I'm going to return it today. I love the device and ICS is a really cool operating system but the wifi and GPS issues frustrate me and the fact that a new Prime was announced at CES before my Prime was even delivered really soured me on Asus. It's a shame though, for the most part the Prime is a fantastic device and I really like that it can play every movie format and I love widgets.
I guess I will wait for the iPad3 to come out and review my options at that time because I really do want a tablet. Is there any chance iOS will look significantly different on the iPad3?
Edit: Windows 8 tablets interest me as well. I was really dumb for purchasing a tablet right before CES. Rookie mistake.
I guess I will wait for the iPad3 to come out and review my options at that time because I really do want a tablet. Is there any chance iOS will look significantly different on the iPad3?
Edit: Windows 8 tablets interest me as well. I was really dumb for purchasing a tablet right before CES. Rookie mistake.
They are demanding "more than before" and the funny thing about RAM is that it comes in predictable increments.
brotkasten
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They released the OG iPad with 256 MB and it definitely does not work well. It's a pretty bad user experience. And you quoted Raistlin, who didn't mention a specific amount.
Okay that sounds more reasonable.
Actually I've seen a number of people complain about its impacts on web surfing, etc. Regardless, increasing resolution will obviously only make the situation worse, not better versus iPad 2.
Read the actual conversation I was having throughout the thread.
the fuck?
Who was demanding a specific amount? Me and brotkasten certainly didn't.
That said though ... as omnomis points out, the actual next increment is fairly predictable.
Wrestlemania
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I should have said "specific upgrade". I just don't understand demanding "more than before" when "before" is fine as it is. It was the same with the 4S - loads of people demanding 1GB of RAM, turned out to have 512MB, cue bawwing from said people about it. Turns out it doesn't really matter.
If the specs stay exactly as they are in the iPad 2 but the resolution is doubled and everything runs as smoothly, I will be totally fine with it. So will most other people, I imagine.
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So we've had all these rumors about display upgrades for the better part of a year now, but I'm really curious about the software side of things. Obviously anyone's guess is as good as mine, but I'm really interested to see a new crop of Apple developed iPad apps, or even a new update to iOS5.
But logically it won't.
And your contention that it is 'fine as it is' and 'doesn't really matter' really isn't true. Plenty of people still complain about page reloads, etc as is. Further stretching the RAM pool with higher resolution won't help (particularly since everything is bitmap-based).
Wrestlemania
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Oh, of course. There is definitely going to have to be a bump to cope with that resolution. I'm not saying that I really want the specs to stay the same, I just want the whole experience to be at least as good if not better and will be fine with whatever the spec is to accomodate that.
People saying things like "I will only buy it if it's quad core/has 1GB of RAM" just makes no sense to me.
People saying things like "I will only buy it if it's quad core/has 1GB of RAM" just makes no sense to me.
But the iPad will need both a quad core and 1GB of RAM in order to preserve the smooth user experience of the iPad 2. Not to mention a beefier GPU with a better fill rate.
Its simple, double the screen resolution means you will need double the power and memory in order to drive it and delver the same experience. That's why people are making those statements.
Wrestlemania
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Ken Masters
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Skipped the iPad 1 and 2 for the Jesus Pad, BRING IT ON APPLE
Well the way memory is actually fabricated, it's logical to assume 1GB would be the amount since it wouldn't force major layout changes to the MoBo (they can use the same number of memory modules). This is the reason why you typically see RAM values double when they increase. The actual memory modules themselves are typically only available in multiples of two.
And regardless of spec pissing contests, I think 1GB would be fine as far as the user experience goes. Obviously more is always nice, but even with the increased resolution jumping up to 1GB would provide a better user experience than what iPad 2 offered.
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dream
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Yeah, that's the weird thing about the iPad release schedule -- it never gets to launch with the new shiny stuff.
ipad 2 is a year old. But I'd still be fine with that level of performance, which is why I'd be happy to buy one now, even though I skipped it a year ago. But if iPad 3 stresses that system by bringing a retina display and not improving the internals, then the performance per pixel will go down, and thats not great to me. If net performance isn't at least on iPad 2 level, then I'll just get the cheaper maching and be happy.
Don't care about real performance in apps, just games. Don't expect mine to be a productivity tool.
jamesinclair
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I dont understand all this retina crap. Its just marketing hype. What can you do with this magic retina stuff that you cant do with 800-600?
Is this just apples way of saying "we've got absolutely nothing new we can think of, so here, we have this!"
What will the ipad4 be? Encases in a more tightly bonded metal? More atoms = smoother, buy it now!
Is this just apples way of saying "we've got absolutely nothing new we can think of, so here, we have this!"
What will the ipad4 be? Encases in a more tightly bonded metal? More atoms = smoother, buy it now!
brotkasten
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I really, like really, hope you're joking.
dream
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Absurdly high PPI displays are "just marketing hype?"
Is this real life.
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Not for me. I love universal apps to sync with my iphone and ipad
brain_stew
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A quad A9 isn't going to make all that much difference there either. Its what they do with the GPU that really matters.
Resolution. How does that work?
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Just in time for my birthday. I'm seriously considering getting a tablet to replace my laptop since I mainly use it to browse the Internet, read PDFs, and watch videos nowadays.
Ollie Pooch
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Looks like the bf is getting my iPad 1. iCloud + Airplay has made these devices even more valuable, IMO. Also means I can just get the cheaper 16gb one and always have access to my entire music library.
charlequin
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Honeycomb is extremely poor, yes, but with tablets it really comes down 95% to software.
With phones, people tend to mostly use the phone for its built-in capabilities (browser, media player, and telephony) and then to fall back on a set of apps that provide some fairly basic productivity or timewaster utility and some relatively simple games. Android (and apparently W7P, although I haven't ever used it in person to know for sure) has made huge strides here; the base OS capabilities (if not UX) are near-equal now and equivalents for all the important phone-oriented apps exist. Just as a phone OS, there's plenty of reason to buy an Android device and the sales back that up.
Tablets are where all the app shortcomings of the Android ecosystem show up. It's come close to iOS on the $.99 timewaster games but it's almost completely missing the larger-scale, high-effort $3-10 games (and handheld/console/PC ports.) It doesn't have the per-provider rich content apps (magazines and the like.) It doesn't have the lightweight productivity apps (sound/video/image editors, that sort of thing.) It doesn't have the level of presentation-focused content aggregator tools or other tablet-specific presentation apps. It doesn't (unless something's changed recently) have a good alternative for video chat if you want to avoid Skype. And so on. The commonality with all this stuff is: the market's moved from supporting only iOS for phone apps to supporting iOS first and Android a not-tremendously-distant second, but it hasn't moved to developing Android tablet apps at all.
It's possible that ICS and better tablet hardware will change this (and I'd certainly like for it to happen) but there's a much bigger chicken-and-egg problem for Android tablets than there was for Android phones, and that may be too difficult to overcome.
Everything isn't going to run "as smoothly" in a system that pushes four times the pixels if the RAM stays exactly the same.
Technosteve
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I'm an isheep help me obama
Well I guess that means back to SD for all us non-Apple haters...
outunderthestars
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The increased pixel density makes it a better device for reading text.
Wrestlemania
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Yes, I know. My point is that it doesn't matter what the specs are as long as everything runs smoothly, and they're not going to release something that runs worse than the iPad 2.
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should have stopped right there
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It cracks me up how some of you get so personally offended because Apple made up a memorable marketing term to explain a technological advancement that may be too abstract or confusing to some people that don't understand computer screen resolutions. Of all the things to get upset about, you pick this?
Technosteve
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I realise that. I guess I assumed that an improved GPU would come along with a quad core CPU. Maybe I've just been looking at Vita specs for too long
Do we have any rumours/guesses about the GPU? My main concern is if this is a retina bump and we have to wait for iPad 4 for a power bump.
ipad2 786432 pixels [1024x768] @dualcore
ipad3 3145728 pixels [2048x1536] @ quadcore
Thats four time as much pixels, and only double performance gain with same tech [it will be cortex A9 again, maybe even clocked lower than ipad2].
I would rather want Ipad3 with quadcore and same display as ipad2.
ipad3 3145728 pixels [2048x1536] @ quadcore
Thats four time as much pixels, and only double performance gain with same tech [it will be cortex A9 again, maybe even clocked lower than ipad2].
I would rather want Ipad3 with quadcore and same display as ipad2.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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That's probably what will happen. It'll be faster like the iPhone 4 was a little faster than the 3GS, but the speed and efficiency benefits will be eaten by the display this year.
The iPad 2 hardware is already capable of handling a fill-rate 4x as much as its current screen.
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I wonder what the likelihood is that we'll see Diablo 3 on the iPad 3. Probably nil but I think it could work.
lol I can tell that you have never used a recent apple iOS product and/or compared it with an older apple iOS product.
They don't use marketable terms to "brainwash"... they use the terms so that the average joe can comprehend what the feature(s) improve.
It cracks me up how some of you get so personally offended because Apple made up a memorable marketing term to explain a technological advancement that may be too abstract or confusing to some people that don't understand computer screen resolutions. Of all the things to get upset about, you pick this?
Wow. Took the words out of my mouth.
But what about gaming performance?
Marty Chinn
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It cracks me up how some of you get so personally offended because Apple made up a memorable marketing term to explain a technological advancement that may be too abstract or confusing to some people that don't understand computer screen resolutions. Of all the things to get upset about, you pick this?
Wow, how did people ever use a 3GS? You can't even read the screen.
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Nah it was fine and still is. Actually, in 2007 it was fucking mindblowing. The difference between the displays on the phones I had before the iPhone and the iPhone's display was a far far greater leap than the leap to Retina-resolution.
brain_stew
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You're not going to get better frame rates in games that choose to render at native resolution, that should be obvious. With the shrink to 32nm, Apple should be able to roughly match performance by simply adding a couple SGX543 cores and upping clocks to ~300mhz+ assuming memory bandwidth doesn't become a bottleneck.I realise that. I guess I assumed that an improved GPU would come along with a quad core CPU. Maybe I've just been looking at Vita specs for too long
Do we have any rumours/guesses about the GPU? My main concern is if this is a retina bump and we have to wait for iPad 4 for a power bump.
I'm not sure high end games should be targeting native resolution though.
EleventhDoctor
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I never really got the whole Retina thing until I got a iPhone 4s. I use it all the time so I'm used to the display-then when I look at my iPad 1, the difference is inmediately jarring.
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