Bloomberg: iPad 3 in March with retina display, quad core chip

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Sort of want to buy this just so I can process my photos and view them on this device. Going to be amazing for showcasing a portfolio.
 
well if you want a ipad 3 I would sell the ipad 2 ASAP. you should have no problem getting at least 75% of your money back selling it now.


they have amazing resale value but you will lose about $100 as soon as the ipad 3 is announced.

After the ipad 2 announcement the price of a second hand 16gig ipad 1 went from 400/450 to 300/350.

I wouldn't say they hold resell value THAT well. When you have a product that is this popular, the second hand market gets flooded. It's hard to compete when everyone is desperate to sell.
 
All this talk about what the resolution will be is ridiculous. It's obvious Apple is just going to double it.

Sheesh.
 
I never really got the whole Retina thing until I got a iPhone 4s. I use it all the time so I'm used to the display-then when I look at my iPad 1, the difference is inmediately jarring.

I agree. I wanted an ipad 2 for comics and magazines, but hate the pixel density/resolution. Excited for the ipad 3!
 
No, it didn't. I'm on 4.3.2 and it's still awful. The browser crashes when I browse complex sites with many pictures (www.theverge.com is an example), apps don't resume after some time (I have like 3 apps at the same time open, at max) and they crash randomly.

That is not my experience with my OG iPad. I get an occasional web page crash but it's nothing even remotely bad like you describe. And i do have a point of reference, as my phone is a 4S.

I'm posting from that iPad now and have the Verge open in another tab. You're not confusing page-outs with "crashes" are you?

I thinking could do with a bit more ram but it's hardly unusable or anything. my chief complaint is keyboard lag.
 
I wouldn't say they hold resell value THAT well. When you have a product that is this popular, the second hand market gets flooded. It's hard to compete when everyone is desperate to sell.

http://www.ebay.com/csc/iPads-Table...=US_Tablet_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m1538

I'd say that's still pretty good.

That is not my experience with my OG iPad. I get an occasional web page crash but it's nothing even remotely bad like you describe. And i do have a point of reference, as my phone is a 4S.

I'm posting from that iPad now and have the Verge open in another tab. You're not confusing page-outs with "crashes" are you?

I thinking could do with a bit more ram but it's hardly unusable or anything. my chief complaint is keyboard lag.

I'm not saying it's unusable. It loads GAF web app, Reeder, Manga Rock and TuneIn just fine (not really doing more than that) and 90% of the time it works just fine, but they still crash occasionally and sometimes don't resume, when I switch between apps. And when I say crash, I mean crash. As it, the app closes, I'm back at my home screen and have to reopen and reload it.
 
Honeycomb is extremely poor, yes, but with tablets it really comes down 95% to software.

With phones, people tend to mostly use the phone for its built-in capabilities (browser, media player, and telephony) and then to fall back on a set of apps that provide some fairly basic productivity or timewaster utility and some relatively simple games. Android (and apparently W7P, although I haven't ever used it in person to know for sure) has made huge strides here; the base OS capabilities (if not UX) are near-equal now and equivalents for all the important phone-oriented apps exist. Just as a phone OS, there's plenty of reason to buy an Android device and the sales back that up.

Tablets are where all the app shortcomings of the Android ecosystem show up. It's come close to iOS on the $.99 timewaster games but it's almost completely missing the larger-scale, high-effort $3-10 games (and handheld/console/PC ports.) It doesn't have the per-provider rich content apps (magazines and the like.) It doesn't have the lightweight productivity apps (sound/video/image editors, that sort of thing.) It doesn't have the level of presentation-focused content aggregator tools or other tablet-specific presentation apps. It doesn't (unless something's changed recently) have a good alternative for video chat if you want to avoid Skype. And so on. The commonality with all this stuff is: the market's moved from supporting only iOS for phone apps to supporting iOS first and Android a not-tremendously-distant second, but it hasn't moved to developing Android tablet apps at all.

It's possible that ICS and better tablet hardware will change this (and I'd certainly like for it to happen) but there's a much bigger chicken-and-egg problem for Android tablets than there was for Android phones, and that may be too difficult to overcome.



Everything isn't going to run "as smoothly" in a system that pushes four times the pixels if the RAM stays exactly the same.
You could say that a year ago perhaps but Android has made great strides since then.

News: NYTimes, WSJ, CNBC, FT (not available on iOS), CNN etc

Android comes with a video editor for free

Image editors: Adobe suite, sketch book express (better than the iOS versions)

Magazines: See the Kindle, Nook offerings, Sports illustrated, Time, USA Today etc.

presentation-focused content aggregator tools: Pulse, Google Currents

Productivity apps: Documents to Go, QuickOffice, Splashtop etc

eReader apps: nook, kindle, sony, ezpdf, komik (better than any iOS comic app)

I don't even have an Android tablet—I noticed these apps while searching for phone versions...

There are still big holes in the Android app catalogue, most notably audio apps and AAA games. But not everybody needs those apps. On the other hand if you want a productivity tablet then an Android tablet will probably serve you better than an iPad (especially if you pick one tailored to your needs, like the Asus tablets for doc editing or the lenovo tablet for photoshop). That's really the problem with Android tablets: there is no one tablet that does every thing. The experiences are vastly different from the Nook Color to the Sony Tablet. High end Android phones are much more similar in their capabilities.
 
I'm on iPad 1, iOS 5.0.1, just loaded up theverge for the first time right now, it loaded up fine.

I had a period of time where I was getting crash-to-homescreens randomly while browsing with safari, but after clearing cache and history and everything, then doing a full shutdown and cold reboot, I don't get them anymore.

Still, I skipped gen2 and will be getting gen3 day one.
 
I'm on iPad 1, iOS 5.0.1, just loaded up theverge for the first time right now, it loaded up fine.

I had a period of time where I was getting crash-to-homescreens randomly while browsing with safari, but after clearing cache and history and everything, then doing a full shutdown and cold reboot, I don't get them anymore.

Still, I skipped gen2 and will be getting gen3 day one.

I reboot the device once a week, but it'll try it with deleting the cache and history in iCab. It's pretty bad when I have few tabs open and then want to watch an embedded Youtube video in full screen.
 
I'm on iPad 1, iOS 5.0.1, just loaded up theverge for the first time right now, it loaded up fine.

I had a period of time where I was getting crash-to-homescreens randomly while browsing with safari, but after clearing cache and history and everything, then doing a full shutdown and cold reboot, I don't get them anymore.

Still, I skipped gen2 and will be getting gen3 day one.

I tried everything and this still happens. One of the reasons why iOS 5 wasn't a great update for me. I decided to get the Atomic Web app to avoid using Safari. Atomic Web is WAYYYYY better anyway.
 
How many of you with crashes & instability are jailbroken though?

Honest question BTW, not trolling, as I found my 1st gen iPad was hellishly unstable whilst jailbroken via redsn0w, but since going back to stock is absolutely 100% solid as a rock, and I use mine heavily.
 
I was confused at the idea of android being perfect companion to iPad just because it is polar opposite in terms of os and business strategy which also affects who likes which. Android is all about letting device carriers and manufacturers do nearly whatever they want as long as google gets their web searches and store on there. Apple is very tightly controlled and well known user experience. Windows Phone is in the middle with the Nokia phones aiming for closer to Apple level of quality and service. at the end of the day android has price advantage because as far as i understand their model is most friendly with royalties and cheaper hardware
 
Any CPU upgrade isn't going to be a big deal either way. A quad core A9 isn't going to make all that much difference, you're going to want to wait for the A15 based ipad 4 if you want to see a real increase in performance outside of games.
Will the A15 also provide a huge leap in graphics?
 
But what about gaming performance?
I find it hard to fathom a new SoC design that adds 2 cores the CPU would involve no improvement on the GPU end.




It worked beautifully until 5.0.1
Sure. Having to flip a coin to see if switching a tab will cause a page reload is 'working beautifully'



You could say that a year ago perhaps but Android has made great strides since then.

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As a Transformer owner ... regardless of the supposed strides they've made ... I still find Android tablet to be a mess in every day use.
 
That is not my experience with my OG iPad. I get an occasional web page crash but it's nothing even remotely bad like you describe. And i do have a point of reference, as my phone is a 4S.

I'm posting from that iPad now and have the Verge open in another tab. You're not confusing page-outs with "crashes" are you?

I thinking could do with a bit more ram but it's hardly unusable or anything. my chief complaint is keyboard lag.

I'm on an OG ipad and it sucks, the 500px(photography app) crashes literally everytime i use it after watching like ten photos. The browser crashes all the time too even just browsing the gaf web app. It fucking sucks, some apps are useless.

It wasn't so bad before the last big update, terrible support imo. I don't expect it to run stuff like the ipad 2 but it's not cool that i can no longer do stuff i used to be able to do hassle free not long ago. Like i said earlier in this thread i've had this ipad for over a year and i use it on average 3+hours a day everyday so i know how fucking frustrating it can get just browsing the web. I never use it for games is's basically web browsing and youtube here and there, it fucking sucks.
 
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It cracks me up how some of you get so personally offended because Apple made up a memorable marketing term to explain a technological advancement that may be too abstract or confusing to some people that don't understand computer screen resolutions. Of all the things to get upset about, you pick this?


Thats a hilarious picture.

Revisionist history at its worse.

How were people able to play NES text-based games with a resolution of 256x240. With that logic, it would be unreadable!

Looks, Im all for upgrades, but if your selling point is "more pixels!" .....well, thats not a selling point. Its about as great a marketing campaign as "coors light is cold"

Thats nice. Now give us substance plz.
 
That's a very zoomed in picture but in general, higher ppi does make it easier to read text. Especially since a lot of people use tablets as a digital magazine/textbook.
 
Looks, Im all for upgrades, but if your selling point is "more pixels!" .....well, thats not a selling point. Its about as great a marketing campaign as "coors light is cold"

lol really?

So... a much higher resolution that makes using older iOS devices almost unbearable for reading various forms of info isn't a worthy upgrade and/or selling point?

Do you still use a SDTV?
 
Thats a hilarious picture.

Revisionist history at its worse.

How were people able to play NES text-based games with a resolution of 256x240. With that logic, it would be unreadable!

Looks, Im all for upgrades, but if your selling point is "more pixels!" .....well, thats not a selling point. Its about as great a marketing campaign as "coors light is cold"

Thats nice. Now give us substance plz.

Substance? A picture speaks a thousand words, love.
 
Looks, Im all for upgrades, but if your selling point is "more pixels!" .....well, thats not a selling point. Its about as great a marketing campaign as "coors light is cold"

In a world where people are selling HD TVs, HD movies, HD contact lenses and HD screen protectors for smart phones, "more pixels" actually resonates pretty well as a marketing message moreso than "faster". "More pixels" has been driving the camera space forever - even when it can be shown that there were lower MP cameras that were outperforming their higher MP cousins.

Average consumers need relatively easy to consume marketing messages when it comes to getting new technology products.
 
In a world where people are selling HD TVs, HD movies, HD contact lenses and HD screen protectors for smart phones, "more pixels" actually resonates pretty well as a marketing message moreso than "faster". "More pixels" has been driving the camera space forever - even when it can be shown that there were lower MP cameras that were outperforming their higher MP cousins.

Average consumers need relatively easy to consume marketing messages when it comes to getting new technology products.


We also live in a world where I bet you most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. In fact the same people thought they were watching HD even though it was SD just because it was an HDTV. Easy to consume messages is one thing, but overstated the difference is quite common here.
 
Thats a hilarious picture.

Revisionist history at its worse.

How were people able to play NES text-based games with a resolution of 256x240. With that logic, it would be unreadable!

Looks, Im all for upgrades, but if your selling point is "more pixels!" .....well, thats not a selling point. Its about as great a marketing campaign as "coors light is cold"

Thats nice. Now give us substance plz.

Maybe HD technology is just not for you then. Enjoy your NES.
 
We also live in a world where I bet you most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. In fact the same people thought they were watching HD even though it was SD just because it was an HDTV. Easy to consume messages is one thing, but overstated the difference is quite common here.


I only refer to the ability to sell based on the message. Most consumers just know what better is based on the message, not because they can actually tell.
 
Thats a hilarious picture.

Revisionist history at its worse.

How were people able to play NES text-based games with a resolution of 256x240. With that logic, it would be unreadable!

Looks, Im all for upgrades, but if your selling point is "more pixels!" .....well, thats not a selling point. Its about as great a marketing campaign as "coors light is cold"

Thats nice. Now give us substance plz.

I owned a 3GS for a little over a year and then bought an iPhone 4. I didn't think the difference would be that apparent but it turned out to be a HUGE difference in person. Especially when reading articles or even forum discussions. On my iPad 2 it's not as big of an issue but an improvement would still be nice. It sounds to me like you haven't actually compared the older iPhone screen to the newer "retina" screen.
 
I owned a 3GS for a little over a year and then bought an iPhone 4. I didn't think the difference would be that apparent but it turned out to be a HUGE difference in person. Especially when reading articles or even forum discussions. On my iPad 2 it's not as big of an issue but an improvement would still be nice. It sounds to me like you haven't actually compared the older iPhone screen to the newer "retina" screen.

Let's not try to pretend that your 3GS looked like that pic either or anywhere near close to it.
 
Except those pics for that one icon is pretty much the size of my iPhone's entire screen. Nobody denies there are more pixels, but super zooming and scaling it way up to show it is not how we view it in real life.

Depends on how often you use it up close to your face. I personally never REALLY see the difference - not enough that it would make me spend money to upgrade, but for people who read a lot of text on their phones it is likely very noticeable.
 
it took me quite a while to get used to the iPhone 4 screen. It's really something to marvel at, and to have a 10 inch version is a dream. I can't wait until all screens are over 300 ppi.
 
I need to think of some good marketing buzzwords for technology of Windows 8, hyperfluid UI, superkernel maximum, esper spell correction, emoticons that stare into your soul, lifeleeching game marketplaces, burst rate virus scanning, intelligence augmenting word processing...

I'm curious if new iPad sales stay at current rate or eventually slow down. Also there will be some major competition (rumored Google super tablet, Windows 8, nice hybrids etc) in the not so distant future.
 
Depends on how often you use it up close to your face. I personally never REALLY see the difference - not enough that it would make me spend money to upgrade, but for people who read a lot of text on their phones it is likely very noticeable.

To make the icon as big as you just showed it, I'd have to put the screen on my eye. Again, I'm not saying there isn't a difference, but I think some people way overstate how big that difference is, especially when someone posts that original pic where we all know the 3GS never looked like that.
 
Depends on how often you use it up close to your face. I personally never REALLY see the difference - not enough that it would make me spend money to upgrade, but for people who read a lot of text on their phones it is likely very noticeable.

At the very least, you should compare pictures that are approximately 20cm away. Even the most hardcore user can't really move it closer to their face then that, due to the optics in the eye.

Realistically, how often one reads text probably has a very tenuous correlation at best with how far they hold the phone from their face.

So those pictures, while startling in some sense, does little to highlight the change in efficacy between the low res and hi-res screens. That is to say, they wildly exaggerate that effectiveness.
 
If this is the case, I really hope they up the 3G cap on file size. It's hard enough to get regular iPad applications under 20MB with the larger resolution artwork.
 
If this is the case, I really hope they up the 3G cap on file size. It's hard enough to get regular iPad applications under 20MB with the larger resolution artwork.

If I recognize your logo correctly you're with Halfbrick? I believe the current fodder is that they size is supposed to increase this year, but who knows if that's related to some WWDC event or something.
 
To make the icon as big as you just showed it, I'd have to put the screen on my eye. Again, I'm not saying there isn't a difference, but I think some people way overstate how big that difference is, especially when someone posts that original pic where we all know the 3GS never looked like that.


How else to illustrate the difference for low PPI monitors, like most of us are using?
 
time for my ipad 2 to hit the 2nd hand market...
 
What are the chances of the MacBook Air gaining a display closer to the Retina Display?


We also live in a world where I bet you most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. In fact the same people thought they were watching HD even though it was SD just because it was an HDTV. Easy to consume messages is one thing, but overstated the difference is quite common here.

On the iPhone/3G/3GS, I have to zoom to read certain things clearly. On the iPhone 4/4S, I don't have to do it.
 
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