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Bloomberg: Microsoft lobbies HTC to dual boot Windows Phone 8 on Android phones

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satam55

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Microsoft Said to Ask HTC to Put Windows on More Phones
By Tim Culpan, Dina Bass and Peter Burrows
October 03, 2013 9:38 PM ED


Microsoft Corp. is talking to HTC about adding its Windows operating system to HTC’s Android-based smartphones at little or no cost, people with knowledge of the matter said, evidence of the company’s struggle to gain ground in the mobile-software market.

Terry Myerson, head of Microsoft’s operating systems unit, asked HTC last month to load Windows Phone as a second option on handsets with Google Inc. (GOOG)’s rival software, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the talks are private. Myerson discussed cutting or eliminating the license fee to make the idea more attractive, the people said. The talks are preliminary and no decision has been made, two people said.

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The HTC Corp. HTC J One HTL22 smartphone is displayed during the unveiling event in Tokyo.

The willingness to add Windows as a second operating system underscores the lengths to which Microsoft will go to get manufacturers to carry its software. Microsoft, with a mere 3.7 percent of the market, is finding it more necessary to make concessions after agreeing to acquire Nokia Oyj (NOK1V)’s handset unit, which competes with other smartphone makers.

Myerson was planning to visit Asia this month and meet with senior executives at Taoyuan City, Taiwan-based HTC to discuss his proposal, one of the people said.

Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft is trying to line up other new partners. Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer and other executives met with handset makers last week during a trip to Beijing, said a person with knowledge of their trip. They stressed that Microsoft wants to keep working with partners other than Nokia, and expects to be able to sign accords with some phone makers who previously have focused on Android, the person said.

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Customers try out HTC Corp. Butterfly S smartphones at one of the company's stores in Taipei.

Pushing Windows

The technical details have yet to be ironed out. It wasn’t clear whether an HTC phone would run Windows and Android at the same time, or let users choose a default.

Tony Imperati, a spokesman for Microsoft, declined to comment. Lorain Wong, a spokeswoman for HTC, didn’t respond to a request for comment outside of normal business hours.

HTC, the first company to make both Windows and Android phones, hasn’t unveiled a new Windows-based handset since June and has no current plans to release any more, said one person. Microsoft’s $7.2 billion takeover of Nokia’s handset business is part of an effort to ensure the availability of phones with its software and help boost demand for the devices.

Microsoft charges handset makers a license fee for every Windows Phone sold, and also has agreements in place to collect royalties for devices that use Android as part of patent settlements. By contrast, makers of Android devices don’t pay Google, and instead agree to preinstall the Mountain View, California-based company’s services such as search and maps on Android-based phones.

Market Share

Windows held a 3.7 percent share of the smartphone operating system market in the second quarter, according to research-firm IDC. Android dominated with 79 percent, while Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s iOS was No. 2 with a 13 percent share.

HTC, once the top-selling smartphone maker in the U.S., has posted declining global sales and market share as product and marketing missteps led to gains by Samsung Electronics Co., LG Electronics Inc. and ZTE Corp. (763)

HTC reported today a third-quarter net loss of NT$2.97 billion ($101 million) in the three months ended September, the company’s first loss on a consolidated basis since at least 2008, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. HTC’s flagship One handset has failed to arrest a slide in sales amid product delays and changes to strategy.

Samsung was the top Android phone seller in the second quarter, while HTC was No. 8, according to IDC. In Windows Phones, HTC lagged behind Nokia and Samsung.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-04/microsoft-said-to-ask-htc-to-put-windows-on-more-phones.html

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They desperate, yung!
 

Fox Mulder

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An interesting idea that would increase exposure, for both companies.

I like the htc 8x, my only prior htc phone was the original Incredible. They're getting their ass kicked by Samsung in android, and Nokia is windows mobile even before MS bought them. Gotta do something to shake things up.

Whatever helps the app situation is good to me though.
 

Black-Box

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I can see this happening. Same with Apple down the line when all phones can dual boot. This is probably a good idea for HTC to gain back lost ground.
 

satam55

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I can see this happening. Same with Apple down the line when all phones can dual boot. This is probably a good idea for HTC to gain back lost ground.

That would never happen. Apple only allows iOS (Same with Mac OS X) to be run on their own hardware that they manufacture.
 

jey_16

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I actually wouldn't mind this on my HTC One, as long as all your messages/pictures/emails remained constant over both operating systems
 
Letting users choose which OS goes on their phone would be interesting, a solution that includes dual-booting seems like it would be useless for the average consumer though.
 

Tyrax

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Pretty sure they are not talking about dual booting
They are just talking about putting WP8 on the same hardware that HTC would normally use for their android phones rather than making a separate hardware line.

Great I say
I am using a HTC WP8X right now, I'd like to see some from the HTC One hardware come over to the WP side
 

Twio

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This sounds incredibly unnecessary and pointless, however,I can't shake the feeling that there could be a market for this.

It could work. Who knows. I have absolutely no desire to use Windows Phone 8 but then again, I wouldn't have to.
 

GSG Flash

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Should've dual boot the lumia line instead.

Yup

And I personally don't see the benefit for HTC in this, it's not as if people are gonna line up in droves because HTC Android phones can now dual boot WP8, it's just going to cause more headaches for them software maintenance wise.

MS is just jelly that HTC's best phones are Android ;)
 

VoxPop

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Why would I want to waste space and dual boot an OS that I don't want? Windows 8 is already horrid and thinking of a mobile version of that makes me shudder. Let alone not having any apps.. if people wanted a windows phone (which im sure some do), they could just buy one.
 
I think it's an interesting concept - being able to choose a model of phone & not being locked down to a single OS might be attractive for some customers.
 

Wiktor

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Should've dual boot the lumia line instead.

I don't think that would work. Android is terribly unoptimized. On low end hardware it's complete and utter crap. On someting like Lumia 520 it would be barely functional and that's the best selling Lumia phone.
 

Yoshiya

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I don't think that would work. Android is terribly unoptimized. On low end hardware it's complete and utter crap. On someting like Lumia 520 it would be barely functional and that's the best selling Lumia phone.

the lumia 520 hardware is impressive for the price. the RAM would be the only issue.

this is an interesting development, a shame that no 8X successor is planned anymore. samsung's devices for windows phone are shit so HTC was really needed here.
 
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smart move by microsoft, they've got a hell of a mountain to climb to push android from the top spot. They pretty much should try everything.

I can't see anyone booting regularly into a different OS though. have you ever used someone elses phone for a little bit? It's ALWAYS horrible because you aren't used to it. That would be essentially forcing that situation on yourself.
 
The idea of letting users choose their own OS is an interesting gambit. On one hand I do think there are quite a few people who would be willing to try a nokia lumia phone (myself included) if it had android and of course there are some HTC phones that run windows 8 natively that would be boss with Android. But on the other hand users have already overwhelmingly chosen which OS' they prefer by simply speaking with their wallets and not buying windows 8 phones. It seems like its really a trojan horse tactic at this point in time. Let someone buy a shiny phone and hope that they come across the windows os and like it
 

Yoshiya

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dual boot would be ridiculous and both operating systems have large storage footprints and incompatible filesystems, so cross-OS integration would be non-trivial to say the least. it's possible phones could be shipped with a choice, and even demo functionality, that leads to the other os being erased. the ability to switch at a carrier store or by tethering to a PC could persist as an interesting option though, as the bootloader + drivers are already in place.
 

Yoshiya

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staying on android as-is seems set to take htc to oblivion, but both google and microsoft have already purchased hardware manufacturers so neither seemed poised to be htc's saviour. the company might still be of greater strategic value to google than MS, to fend off samsung's gradual and insidious takeover of android.
 

tino

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Microsoft, ask to be put on a dualboot machine? How the time have change.

I wonder how many more year before MS ask for a fairer browser selection screen?
 

iloled

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Why are people angry at Microsoft?
I don't get it

This seems possible, considering Samsung is the king of android phones
 

Cipherr

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Gyahahahahaha! It has just enough of a ring of 'crazy' to be true.

Myerson discussed cutting or eliminating the license fee to make the idea more attractive, the people said.

Yoooo, Im screaming. Wasn't the patent agreements MS pushed on OEM's supposed to do this? Wasn't that supposed to make Android cost so much to license that the OEM's would lean towards Windows Phone? But instead now MS is giving the licenses away to get OEM's to even bother? Maybe they should have started out with that strategy somehow. Its crazy to see them having to give it away for free, I always felt they should have done that, or something similar from the start.

HTC, the first company to make both Windows and Android phones, hasn’t unveiled a new Windows-based handset since June and has no current plans to release any more

Well damn, I guess this explains the bargaining.

Pretty sure they are not talking about dual booting
They are just talking about putting WP8 on the same hardware that HTC would normally use for their android phones rather than making a separate hardware line.

This likely seems the case . The sad thing is though, the OEMs should have had incentive to do this without MS asking them too. Its awful that they are so uninterested, that they won't just slap windows on the Android hardware they are already making and ship it.

Samsung did it, once, with the ATVI or whatever the hell. It was basically a GS3, but not even they bothered this year, and those guys will ship nearly anything.
 
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