But has it?
3DS June 2012 ~ 155k
3DS June 2013 ~ 225k
A 70k increase for the US, Nintendo's best region and below what the 360 did last June.
Bloomberg; "Nintendo Rises as New Titles Spur Overseas Sales: Tokyo Mover"
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But has it?
3DS June 2012 ~ 155k
3DS June 2013 ~ 225k
A 70k increase for the US, Nintendo's best region and below what the 360 did last June.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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So we should post "Nintendo is doomed! Im serious this time guys!"
Vyse The Legend
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Animal Crossing is an evergreen title. It will sell every month for a long time, and it will spike again in the holidays.
Because Wii, they probably never get that high, Wii was one of the kind product, doesn't mean that current trend going up is a bad thing, is just not 2008 levels.Some perspective:
The Abominable Snowman
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Most likely talking about Donkey Kong. Zelda is October
My only concern is that the 3DS had space to maneuver because it's competition was the Vita. The Vita failed due to Sony's mishandling.
The Wii U is fighting the 360 and PS3 now, and the PS4 and Xbox One in November, when it finally 'turns on'. It doesn't have that space to breathe anymore. Its a bit worrying. For the Wii U at this point success hinges on Sony and Microsoft screwing up their platforms to Vita-like levels.
phosphor112
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Some perspective:
So... the article is wrong. "highest point since July 2011."
Clearly that's wrong.
SporeCrawler
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So didnt pachter say recently that nintendo shares will drop massively?
GeorgioCostanzaX
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So depressing that they could be kicking that much ass with 3DS and blowing it on the Wii U. I really think the rumors of going portable only next time with a wireless streaming nub hooked up for TV play will be their future.
We will have to see, but that's not what I was arguing against.
Seems wrong indeed, it should be highest selling point since early 2012 or so.
Dude is pretty reliable if you take the opposite of what he says.
phosphor112
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Mhm. Seems kind of like a simple oversight by Bloomberg.
Nintendo shares will drop massively when investors finally realize how much of a disaster the Wii U has been so far.
I think Nintendo will at least get higher sales than the gamecube because of the appeal that online HD Mario Kart and Smash will bring in.
Online play is the hot thing right now and if Nintendo is able to capitalize on it with some notable releases than I think they will be fine. Admittedly games like NintendoLand and the new Mario should have online so they're not doing the greatest job so far..
Online play is the hot thing right now and if Nintendo is able to capitalize on it with some notable releases than I think they will be fine. Admittedly games like NintendoLand and the new Mario should have online so they're not doing the greatest job so far..
Another thing not being mentioned is that the currency exchange rate is more in Nintendo's favor. The more the yen falls in comparison to the dollar, the better Nintendo (and every other Japanese company that relies on exports). In Jan. 2006, the yen to dollar rate was 115 yen to a dollar, in 2012, the dollar bottomed out against the yen and was 76 yen to a dollar. Today, its 99.6 yen to a dollar.
IMO, if you want a quick gauge of Nintendo's health, look at the yen.
https://www.google.com/finance?q=USDJPY
Nintendo also sold over 50K DS, which is discontinued. Its handheld division is in good shape, and will be in great shape in few months, if games sell systems (they do).
I am Michael Bolton
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Chinpoko_Master
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Well, I know for certain that I never said or implied that Nintendo had no momentum with the 3DS. At worst, I implied that I'm skeptical about whether or not Nintendo could maintain that momentum. But your responses so far have been oddly defensive for some reason.
You also seem to have misread my comment about Monster Hunter not doing shit OUTSIDE of Japan (which it won't) as me saying that it won't do shit INSIDE of Japan. Either that, or your attempts at being clever are just bad and confusing.
Starfish Hero
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I'm pretty sure the investors, of all people, aren't in the dark about the Wii U's mishandling.
Being critical towards a company you have invested your money into by buying their products is now being a hater? I can't even.
Investors don't affect share price that way lol you people...
I always wonder how some people felt when the Wii was such a runaway success, since the animosity towards Nintendo isn't really new. Well you saw usually people in denial, I guess this moment in time feels like validation for them. I read so many posts like "finally! I was right, I was right!!" specially from the people still in denial about the Wii's success. I don't want to see them if Nintendo does turn things around, or maybe I do because it would be hilarious
exmachina64
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At first glance I thought they were doing a new game called Tokyo Mover
I'd actually buy a moving simulator, especially set in Japan.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Idk if its hating but its high levels of sodium lol
Coffee Dog
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Anyone that thinks the WiiU is going to outsell the PS4 and Xbone is ignoring just how hard it is to seriously "relaunch" a product.
The 3DS' relaunch was cemented by the Vita's failing even moreso than Nintendo's efforts. If the Vita had provided a superior development environment to the 3DS, the 3DS would have been a Nintendo system for Nintendo games like the WiiU is right now.
The Wii U is looking to be a worthwhile investment if you are a nintendo/platinum fan, but unless Microsoft continues to shit the bed at every turn, the Wii U is going to be another gamecube.
The 3DS' relaunch was cemented by the Vita's failing even moreso than Nintendo's efforts. If the Vita had provided a superior development environment to the 3DS, the 3DS would have been a Nintendo system for Nintendo games like the WiiU is right now.
The Wii U is looking to be a worthwhile investment if you are a nintendo/platinum fan, but unless Microsoft continues to shit the bed at every turn, the Wii U is going to be another gamecube.
Rebel Leader
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Nintendo has been in the black every FY since 1981
Retailers selling DS hardware they have already bought from Nintendo, exactly. Please look at the post I was replying to.
You would be very surprised I think
The vita is a superior dev environment (from the perspective of developers) because it is essentially a 2010 smartphone with more memory/cores than were common a couple years back. Every company and their dogs have people with extensive smartphone experience.
Coffee Dog
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It's not a superior environment for anyone above an indie level because the money you make back is small potatoes. I'm saying that if the vita had sold more then the 3DS would have been fucked entirely. The 3DS' revival was more due to sony dropping the ball than Nintendo's games.
People that say Nintendo is doomed are being dumb, they got the income to whether the storm for a while.
But the WiiU is pretty much fucked, I'm thinking that behind closed doors they are working on a "third pillar" so to speak, a console in line with the PS4 and Xbone's specs to act as a replacement in 2015.
But the WiiU is pretty much fucked, I'm thinking that behind closed doors they are working on a "third pillar" so to speak, a console in line with the PS4 and Xbone's specs to act as a replacement in 2015.
So you're talking about return on investment, not development environment. Development environment is easier on vita.
What you're also seemingly saying is that it's not Nintendo that knows what it's doing in the handheld realm, but that it's Sony screwing up that has the vita floundering. That nintendo doesn't deserve the moderate success they've had with the unit, in other words. I'm not sure you can say such a thing, especially post launch window. The monster hunter deal, for example, was a calculated move iirc, and not bumbling around in the dark.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Are you crazy? Do you know how poorly the 3DS was selling before the vita even launched? You failing to give Nintendo credit here they have been releasing plenty of great games for the 3DS and many system sellers since then that if you think they didnt put work in for this success you are being delusional.
olimpia84
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Why would they do that? To please a few tech-obsessed gaffers? A console like that will sell way worse than the Wii U.
The 3DS establishing a strong consumer environment and the weakening of the Yen giving more favorable exchange rates will have the opposite effect. Nintendo has been undervalued in the past year. Not to the degree that they were overvalued in 2007, but that's another story.
I am Michael Bolton
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Apparently. I've invested thousands into Nintendo in the last 7 years but apparently I'm a Nintendo hater. I still get excited with every Nintendo Direct, I still get hyped with every Nintendo E3, I still get butterflies when a new Mario or Zelda is revealed. But no, I'm a Nintendo hater.
KyanMehwulfe
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Fixed it for Bloomberg.Bloomberg said:
The complete lack of foresight that Iwata continues to exhibit for the broader market and the stubborn release of the Wii U before the easily-forecasted yen decline was an issue as much as anything for currency-savvy western publishers, and is also as big a factor as anything in any rally it has had this year -- if anything, Nintendo's rally has been in spite of the yen as it has performed laughably considering the yen and its peers. If it continues to rally, the speculation is only being wagered on because of the yen, and what little momentum it has now -- bouyed by speculation that it may some consecutively attracted software -- is still based on the foundation that the Nintendo was likely oversold on Wii weakness, and relative to the illogical rally of many Japanese companies, remains one of the few candidates for a yen-play on a mature value stock. This has very little to do with specific titles as I can assure you most traders are looking at fundamentals here and do not give a horse shit about fruit-carrying or cross-dressing animals. The move and article today is much less about those toons and much more about the Abe politics over the weekend, and speculative traders buying up everything yen-backed that isn't nailed down before their debt monetization (at a rate that makes the US look conservative) causes their borrowing rates to implode.
I'm long Nintendo as a fan but I wouldn't be as an investor, and that's as much to do with their doubling of the monetary base to keep the rates of their 20x debt-to-revenue low enough to stake off insolvency longer, as it is to do with the incompetence of Iwata in planning a business model in economics-blind idealogical-stubborn bubble.
The Horror the horror
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Pretty vague accusation. Be more specific. That's like me saying that the PS2's success was due to Nintendo or Microsoft dropping the ball, which is technically true if you look at it from a very broad lense.
Aquamarine
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Any short-term investor who sincerely cares about Nintendo's corporate strategy is clearly waiting for Holiday 2013, and to a lesser amount, Spring 2014 for Mario Kart 8.
Starfish Hero
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No, I wouldn't. All you ever hear about the Wii U is about some shortcoming it is either suffering from or trying to rectify. You think they can't hear that too? They're not in a bubble just because they don't go on Gaf. Not only that, but many investors have upwards of millions invested in Nintendo's success. You think that they don't know much about something that they have millions on the line for? You think they know less than forum-goer X, who has a tiny fraction, if any, invested in the same company? That's fucking dumb, and you know it.
metalslimer
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Well even though i think the wiiu will remain a disaster sales wise, wouldnt a monster 3ds holiday basically cover it up in the short term? And even iff wiiu remains on life support the software will still do well.
Midnight Moon
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As long as Nintendo keeps pumping out games for the system I will be happy. Although after this year I expect another drought...
metalslimer
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2014 looks ok so far with Smash, Bayonetta, Mario Kart, X, and Yoshi and Zelda might slip in there. 2015 will probably be when there's a drought also because nintendo is releasing a lot on 3DS
So the Wii U will become financially irrelevant?
Hah, and do these same investors know how Nintendo will be able to rectify these 'shortcomings'?
BRocknRolla
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At first glance I thought they were doing a new game called Tokyo Mover
I thought the same thing.
That's obviously good news for Nintendo, but I feel like it continues to not address the thorn in Nintendo's side that is the lack of success in the Wii U space. As much as they keep getting stronger and stronger in their handheld department, the lack of movement on their home console is disconcerting (and as a Wii U owner, personally troubling). Certainly continues to make a case for Nintendo's next handheld console being their main device, and shows a lack of need for a home console at all if they continue their dominance in that area. Should be a very interesting generation.