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Bloomberg: Sony 3rd-Quarter Profit May Fall 50% on PlayStation 3

koam

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=a4Jrqd8sIuJc&refer=japan

Jan. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Sony Corp., the world's largest maker of video-game players, may report third-quarter profit fell 50 percent after its flagship PlayStation 3 lost market share to Nintendo Co.'s Wii.

Losses from games probably drove net income down to 84.1 billion yen ($691 million) in the three months ended Dec. 31, from a record 168.9 billion yen a year earlier, according to the median estimate of five analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Sales at Tokyo-based Sony, which reports earnings tomorrow, probably rose 9.6 percent to 3 trillion yen.

The results may highlight Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer's failure to fend off Nintendo, whose $250 Wii console outsells the PlayStation 3 by two-to-one. Sony may still exceed its full-year profit target because of a weaker yen, sales of Bravia televisions and growth at its movie unit.

``A drop in third-quarter results is largely expected on the games division. There's no surprise unless the company further reduces its profit forecasts,'' said Mitsushige Akino, who oversees $468 million in assets at Ichiyoshi Investment Management Co. in Tokyo. Akino doesn't recommend investors buy Sony stock ``until the company improves its earnings.''

Sony in October cut this fiscal year's profit forecast to a five-year low of 80 billion yen after delays in the new PlayStation's debut and a recall of defective laptop batteries, the largest in consumer electronics history.

Shares of Sony have risen 9.6 percent in the past six months, trailing the 61 percent gain by Nintendo and Xbox 360-maker Microsoft Corp.'s 26 percent increase. Today, Sony's stock fell 1.2 percent to close at 5,730 yen in Tokyo.

Wii Wins

The game division, Sony's second-largest by revenue, probably lost 50.9 billion yen during the quarter, compared with a profit of 67.8 billion yen a year earlier, after sales fell 7 percent, according to the Bloomberg survey.

After botching the PS3's debut with production delays and cutting the price to compete against cheaper Wii and Xbox players, Sony will probably lose a record 191.9 billion yen from games this fiscal year, compared with profit of 8.7 billion yen the previous year, according to the Bloomberg survey.

Nintendo, the world's largest handheld game maker, last week reported profit in its latest quarter jumped 40 percent to 77.6 billion yen, fueled by demand for Wii consoles and portable DS game players.

In the U.S., Nintendo sold 1.1 million consoles in November and December, almost double the PlayStation 3 units shipped during the period, according to researcher NPD Group. In Japan, Nintendo sold 989,118 Wii units last year, more than double PlayStation 3 sales, according to researcher Enterbrain Inc.

TVs Help Stringer

Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft last week cut its Xbox 360 forecasts and now expects to sell 12 million units by June 30, instead of 13 million to 15 million. The company sold 10.4 million units of the console since its December 2005 debut, exceeding Microsoft's own 10 million target.

Even so, Sony's overall profit this fiscal year may beat its own forecast from sales of Bravia LCD TVs, Vaio computers and Cyber-shot digital cameras, the analysts said.

The company will probably post net income of 122.1 billion yen this fiscal year, 53 percent higher than the company's October forecast, the survey showed.

Profit at the consumer electronics division, the world's second-largest behind Panasonic-maker Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., probably increased 23 percent to 97 billion yen as revenue rose 9.4 percent to 1.75 trillion yen, according to the survey.

Sticking to Profit Pledge

Profit from cell-phone unit Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications Ltd., which this month reported profit tripled in the latest quarter, also helped ease losses from the game division, according to the analysts.

The business, which posted a loss last fiscal year, will generate 152.3 billion yen in profit this fiscal year, almost double overall operating income, according to the survey.

TV sales helped Stringer, 64, say at this month's Consumer Electronics Show that he's sticking to a pledge when he became chief executive in 2005, to increase Sony's profit margin to 5 percent by March 2008. The company had a 2.6 percent margin last fiscal year.

Sony and partner Samsung Electronics Co., the world's two biggest LCD TV makers, sell most of the sets sized 40 inches and above, according to researcher DisplaySearch.

The movie studio business probably posted a profit of 24.9 billion yen, from a loss of 400 million a year earlier, according to the Bloomberg survey.

James Bond, Spider-Man

Profit at the division will probably jump 73 percent this fiscal year, according to the survey, after Sony had a record 13 films open at No. 1 and led all other studios in U.S. ticket sales with films such as ``The Da Vinci Code'' and ``Casino Royale'' during 2006.

Movies such as ``Spider-Man 3,'' due for release in May, will probably help drive up profit, CLSA Asia-Pacific Markets analysts Atul Goyal and Sandeep Muthangi said in a Jan. 24 report.

Profit from financial services, including life and auto insurance, probably fell 63 percent to 17.5 billion yen and sales declined 11 percent to 169.5 billion yen, the survey showed.

The division's profit fell because of lower stock gains after the Nikkei 225 Stock Average's climb slowed to 6.8 percent during the quarter, Credit Suisse Group analyst William Drewry wrote in a Jan. 22 report. A year earlier, the index surged 19 percent, its fastest quarterly growth in a decade.

The company plans an initial public offering of Sony Financial Holdings Inc. as early as the year beginning April 1, according to spokeswoman Kayoko Miyako, who declined to comment on the size of the offering.

Sony may raise 300 billion yen to 400 billion yen in an IPO of the unit in July or August and may disclose the timing of the offer tomorrow, Macquarie Research Equities analyst David Gibson wrote in a note to clients on Jan. 17. The funds may be used for a stock buyback, benefiting investors, he said.

The following is a summary of earnings that analysts are predicting for Sony's third quarter and fiscal year ending March 31. Figures are in billions of yen.


Code:
                      3Q        FY3/07
 SALES             2,595.4     8,165.5
   Electronics     1,746.6     5,774.0
   Games             390.0       939.0
   Pictures          224.8       783.8
   Financial         169.5       656.3
   Other             121.8       424.0
 OPERATING PROFIT     94.3        78.1
   Electronics        97.0       152.3
   [B]Games             -50.9      -191.9[/B]
   Pictures           24.9        47.3
   Financial          17.5        76.5
   Other              11.3        20.3
 NET INCOME           84.1       122.1
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
I will predict the contents of this article without even reading it.... hold on... I'm getting something... yes... yes... it's coming in clear... Sony... and... doomed....
 

TTP

Have a fun! Enjoy!
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mj1108

Member
Welcome to todays "Sony is Doomed" article. Please, enjoy your stay. If you feel the need to bail out, the exits are clearly marked. Have a safe flight.
 

Alcibiades

Member
Nintendo is on the right track here. Maintaining a dominant marketshare over PS3 in Japan is a stepping stone to help with developer support. Launching in Europe was also a master stroke - take Sony out before they even get there and eat away at XBox 360 (which was struggling in Europe). The US isn't going to be as easy because the 360 had such a big head start, but if they can deliver 1 million worldwide starting in April, it'll interesting whether they can catch the 360 before 2008.
 

andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
Hey, I saw 60 sitting in Best Buy the other day. Nobody was buying them. The guy at the counter said they'll be getting another 240 on Tuesday to prop up their ceiling. All this snow is weighing the roof down and PS3s are a great, cheap way to keep the roof up.
 

Forsete

Member
TheJollyCorner said:
I hear they are starting to drop-bomb PS3's on Iraqi insurgent's heads to win ze war! HHAHAHHAHAHAUJQGWUGWQU LOLiPOP!

I hear they are building B-52s out of unsold PS3s. Pretty neat if they'd use unsold PS3s as bombs. :)
 

Luckyman

Banned
The results may highlight Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer's failure to fend off Nintendo

:lol :lol

They actually get paid for this shit?

PS3 losses have nothing to do with Nintendo. The more they sell.. the more they lose.

If anything projected $691M profit shows that Sony is not dependent on Playstation-unit.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
skinnyrattler said:
Hey, I saw 60 sitting in Best Buy the other day. Nobody was buying them. The guy at the counter said they'll be getting another 240 on Tuesday to prop up their ceiling. All this snow is weighing the roof down and PS3s are a great, cheap way to keep the roof up.
:lol :lol
 
Luckyman said:
:lol :lol

They actually get paid for this shit?

PS3 losses have nothing to do with Nintendo. The more they sell.. the more they lose.

If anything projected $691M profit shows that Sony is not dependent on Playstation-unit.

Not exactly. The more they manufacture the more they lose. The less they sell, the less money recouped from manufacturing costs.

also, sony looks to be doing pretty well other than games division. Good for them things are up in almost every other division.
 
skinnyrattler said:
Hey, I saw 60 sitting in Best Buy the other day. Nobody was buying them. The guy at the counter said they'll be getting another 240 on Tuesday to prop up their ceiling. All this snow is weighing the roof down and PS3s are a great, cheap way to keep the roof up.

meh, I saw 2 at Toys R Us but none at Wal-Mart, but I saw mountains of 360s at both, so 360 am doomed?
 
To everyone who doesn't follow financials...these predictions are usually pretty damn close. I knew that Sony's TV and movie studio divisions were doing well but I didn't know they were doing SO well that they could completely carry the company.

Sony TVs FTW.
 
mmlemay said:
To everyone who doesn't follow financials...these predictions are usually pretty damn close. I knew that Sony's TV and movie studio divisions were doing well but I didn't know they were doing SO well that they could completely carry the company.

Sony TVs FTW.
I think movies will continue to do well for a few years, but as far as TVs go, I'm not sure. LCD and other flat-panel technology prices are falling, but Sony seems to refuse to lower theirs. Over the past year or so, they were not too much higher than the competition. This year, they'll either have to lower them or seriously test their brand name in the display market.
 

Jesiatha

Member
LizardKing said:
Not exactly. The more they manufacture the more they lose. The less they sell, the less money recouped from manufacturing costs.

also, sony looks to be doing pretty well other than games division. Good for them things are up in almost every other division.

I may be entirely wrong, but I think they get to book the full cost of manufacturing as inventory, and only take the hit when they actually sell the unit.
 

gth

Neo Member
mmlemay said:
To everyone who doesn't follow financials...these predictions are usually pretty damn close. I knew that Sony's TV and movie studio divisions were doing well but I didn't know they were doing SO well that they could completely carry the company.

Sony TVs FTW.

Jup, it's showing all those "Sonys only profit comes from PlayStation" idiots that they are completely wrong. Sony hasn't been in a better shape since a long time. It's far from "over the hill" but....Stringer ftw!

RIP Aibo
 

gth

Neo Member
Battersea Power Station said:
I think movies will continue to do well for a few years, but as far as TVs go, I'm not sure. LCD and other flat-panel technology prices are falling, but Sony seems to refuse to lower theirs. Over the past year or so, they were not too much higher than the competition. This year, they'll either have to lower them or seriously test their brand name in the display market.

Yeah, it will be intresting thats for sure. I read a statement that Sony is worried about the falling prices in the LCD sector and that they are falling too fast. However, they sold the most LCDs in USA in 2006 and it seems they are building up a quite big brand with BRAVIA.
 
I could have sworn I saw like six at Target. I stood there for 30 seconds expecting people to rush in and buy them all up but nope.

I did get to touch the box though because they didn't bother to keep the glass cases closed. Maybe that means I could have just taken one and walked out? hmm.

The box feels like sex btw. Not sure what kind of sex or what the sex was with but yeah definitely some kind of sex.

I'm surprised there hasn't been a stickied thread for all PS3 bad news.

Edit: This is a stupid post btw so I'll leave it unedited because I'm a nice guy and I play by the rules.
 

Mmmkay

Member
Sony Net Falls Less-Than-Expected

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=al8liscZdz1c&refer=home
Jan. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Sony Corp., the world's second- largest consumer electronics maker, reported a smaller-than- expected decline in third-quarter profit on a weaker yen and sales of Bravia flat-screen televisions.

Net income fell 5.3 percent to 159.9 billion yen ($1.3 billion) in the three months ended Dec. 31, from a record 168.9 billion yen a year earlier, Tokyo-based Sony said in a statement today. The result beat the median 84.1 billion yen estimate provided by five analysts surveyed by Bloomberg.

Sony increased its annual net income forecast 38 percent to 110 billion yen from an October projection for 80 billion yen, after profit from its electronics business doubled. Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer this month said he's sticking to a pledge to raise the company's profit margin by almost twofold next fiscal year.

Sales in the quarter gained 9.8 percent to 2.61 trillion yen from 2.38 trillion yen a year earlier. Operating profit, or sales minus the cost of goods sold and administrative expenses, fell 15 percent to 178.9 billion yen from 210.3 billion yen.

Profit at the consumer electronics division, the world's second largest behind Panasonic-maker Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., doubled to a record 177.4 billion yen, beating the 97 billion yen profit projected by the Bloomberg survey.

TV sales helped Stringer, 64, say at this month's Consumer Electronics Show that he's sticking to a pledge he made when he became chief executive in 2005, to increase Sony's profit margin to 5 percent by March 2008. The company had a 2.6 percent margin last fiscal year.

Sony in October cut this fiscal year's profit forecast to a five-year low after delays in the new PlayStation's debut and a recall of defective laptop batteries, the largest in consumer electronics history.

Shares of Sony fell 1.8 percent to 5,630 yen in Tokyo. The earnings announcement came after the market closed. The stock has gained 6.6 percent in the past six months, compared with 13 percent advance in the Nikkei 225 Stock Average.

The analysts seemed to be way off on the Consumer Electronics division, and net income.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
Well, they said it may fall 50%. Alternately, it may not. The older I get the more I realize I'm in the wrong profession. I need to get one of their jobs. Getting paid to guess would be fun.
 

Tieno

Member
GhaleonEB said:
Well, they said it may fall 50%. Alternately, it may not. The older I get the more I realize I'm in the wrong profession. I need to get one of their jobs. Getting paid to guess would be fun.
That's just lazy reporting. Like the question mark with rumors or something "Sony to ship 2mil ps3?" . I hate that
 
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