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Boehner: Nation on the path to default if Obama doesn't give concessions for ACA
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No that's my fault, missed your tongue in cheek opening sentence before I hit quote.
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lol, seriously. That's terrible.
Really? Hannity has been all-in on it so far as I've seen. Any interesting clips?
Hannity isn't one of the "normal" crazy republicans on Fox though. The dude is completely and utterly insane and doesn't care what happens to the country as long as he can push an agenda (no matter how nonsensical it is).
RoninChaos
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But there wouldn't be tipping.
Wow. Bill O'Reilly being... reasonable? My mind is struggling to comprehend this.
Very strange phrasing in some parts, but the general idea is similar to a question I posed earlier in the thread.
This article was posted in reply, but perhaps if things get dire enough the treasury will find a way to prioritize debt payment. Financially speaking I don't see a problem with it, it's just a matter of whether they're able to modify whatever arcane software they use.
The (very) few times I've flipped over to Fox to see what they were saying, they were blaming Obama for not being willing to negotiate. They also keep referring to the house passed bills that defund Obamacare as 'clean CRs'.
He does that from time to time. He's not the full-on shill that Rush, Hannity, Beck are.
RoninChaos
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Gerrymandering is HOW they got voter support. The people that voted for those guys live in a different reality than the rest of the country and the only reason the representatives go along with it is because they're scared they'll get primaried. If crazy, uninformed voters didn't live in those districts, Michelle Bachman would be a circus clown, not a member of congress.
Liberty4all
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I get that you think there aren't two equitable sides but that definitely doesn't mean there isn't. I don't know enough about Republican politics to be able to argue on their behalf intelligently though.
I'm unsure with the political ideologies being separated by such a big vast gulf, it's even possible for there to actually BE a chance at equitable discussion when both sides see the other as lunatics (What little I've researched seems to indicate Tea Party members think just that about the Democrats). Honestly I don't know enough about the Republican side of the issue to be able to adequately condemn them ... although I am trying to research the issue better.
The vast majority of my information on the issue I get from GAF. I'd like to visit a political discussion forum that has active right wing republicans intelligently (possible?) arguing their side of what's happening ... that doesn't happen here.
Right now I'm looking at the whole issue as one arm of the government strong-arming the other. With that said Congress DOES have the right to approve funds or not (right?), just as the executive has the right to enact laws. If Congress refuses to fund a budget affecting a law, isn't that their right (as lunatic as it may seem)? Those reps vote to pass funding for budgets based on the will of their constituents ... it's why they were elected right?
I can't help but wonder if the checks and balance system is being proved to be broken when placed under partisan factional strain like this? Economically destroying the country to satisfy a minority vote doesn't make any sense to me at all. I wish there was a Republican here that could explain to me the logic ....
Wowfunhappy
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There's the problem: I legitimately don't think it's possible. If it is, I've literally never seen it.
How would you even begin to argue in favor of this without sounding crazy.
Haha, every once in a while Bill gets it right.
The Culture Vulture
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Everything I've seen today on their website and their channel is talking about a government "slimdown" and how the shutdown is no big deal, the other sentiment is that Obama is acting like a spoiled baby, taking his ball and going home.
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=slimdown
Hah, somehow I KNEW it would be Billo.
I think it's more along the lines of Bill trading in "seeing-the-writing-on-the-wall-smanship." As soon as he notes the tide is turning he hops off the fence and comes down hard on the "common sense solution," making it seem obvious to everyone else, and stockpiling a bunch of clips he can use to demonstrate he's clearly not a Republican shill.
It's funny, his language on the Daily Show Monday was way more restrained. I almost got the impression he supported the shutdown.
I watch his show pretty regularly, like a couple of times a month. He's definitely a self-sure blowhard but he isn't an idiot or a lunatic. Mostly his priorities are out of line with my own, he gets juvenile about The Principle of the Thing more than he should, but on measure he's alright.
Beck's so crazy Republicans don't even pay him to shill for them anymore.
The United States does not negotiate with terrorists.
And they already got a bone. They got the heritage foundation's alternative to the clintons' health reform put into law. They got the mandated medicaid expansion struck down. They've got their budget cuts as you mentioned
They are like a stereotypical movie villain terrorist organization that gets what they want, then moves the goalposts further back and continues their threats.
It reminds me of Ivan Korshunov in Air Force One. "Forgive me, I lied"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKEDgbDuuBk
Not far enough left for my tastes. I'd cut the military budget by 95%, provide free higher education and healthcare, shutter "Homeland Security" and most of the other alphabet agencies, and invest in internet & transportation infrastructure nationwide.
Okay this is pretty funny, hahaha. Because it's true.
I think that's a bit too extreme. A 50-60% cut in the military would be enough and we don't need to remove all those agencies (maybe Homeland).
Also, we need to invest a lot in alternative fules and NASA.
I'm only being slightly hyperbolic.
Well, basically my concern would be having too much military spending would be a shiny invitation to start wars with all the shiny toys. I wouldn't want that. NSA would be gone for sure. You could probably streamline most of the agencies into one that would work more efficiently and it would allow for more oversight.
Oh, I forgot that I'd nationalize the banks, too.
CharlieDigital
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That would bring things back in line with expenditures pre 9-11.
Man, look at all that spending. Imagine what we could have accomplished if we put all of that into NASA or education.
That said he does get pretty embarrassing toward the end of this clip. Beyond quite plainly not having any idea what "syllogism" means, it's hilarious how both parties are so quick to claim the rational and well-read as quickly recognizing the superiority of their own position.
Lagspike_exe
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Add income cap over $1m a year, executing bad CEOs, "self managment" and a plethora of other "ideas".
Which is still a lot more than it should be but at least it's resonable.
He's a smart guy. Every once in a while, you see the facade fade and realize he's doing a schtick for the money.
RustyNails
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Dont forget nationalizing oil!
I would give the 50-60% to NASA into research for getting clean water out of planets/creating food out of elements.
I would essentially be ending world hunger and creating the ability to live on other planets.
The Culture Vulture
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He's not that smart, God is just telling him what to say.
CharlieDigital
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I agree, man. I agree.
The thing is that with all of the fucking rhetoric and threat of looking weak willed, it is all but impossible to cut military spending.
Could you imagine how the hawks would twist a decrease of 50% in the defense budget to pre 9-11 levels? Shit man, it would be off the charts. You could factually point out, ad nauseum, that it would just bring spending back in line with pre-2001 numbers and the masses would just hear the 50% part. Fox News would play that shit up so hard and have a field day with it.
No politician or party could survive that. Defense budget is the Right's Social Security. Look at the freaking JSF program and how impossible it is to right that ship because Lockheed strategically allocated jobs all over the country to make it political suicide to call for cuts.
Oh, good call. I'd use the oil profits to fund alternative energy R&D, and I'd call the department that did it Solyndra.
Pretty sure we'd see a lot of claims about people not loving their country.
With all this awful showmanship with the current shutdown, I've been pondering what would've happened if the Democrats had pulled this stunt to stop funding the war. That could've been pretty enjoyable.
LOL holy shit, what an exchange on the second video:
Watch the rest of the video; it doesn't appear to be a slip of the tongue. It's almost as though O'Reilly's genuinely saying that people (and by 'people', in the context of his exchange with Dobbs, I assume he means minorities and middle- and low-income people) are not smart because they vote for their own self-interest, by which he presumably means that they vote for politicians who promise to deliver benefits to them.
People voting for their own interests and no longer against their own interests--you can't explain that!
Jason's Ultimatum
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He's still ignorant. He had these two ladies on last week discussing about ACA, and the Democrat was trying to explain to O Reilly and the other Republican lady on how the ACA works. O Reilly shrugged her off saying it's still too complicated after the lady explained it that a 5th grader would understand.
polyh3dron
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what happened to the good old days back in 2010 where voters voted against their self interests
TacticalFox88
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I was nodding my head until this exchange. Really, O'Reilly? Re-electing Obama was the smartest thing we have done. We dodged a bullet with McCain and another with Romney.
That's the thing. Not all republicans do.
But the second a person says "I'm a republican" there's nothing else that can come out of their mouth without being sounded off on here. There's very little they can say in their own circles because of Tea Party nonsense too.
So fuck it.
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I love how huge the gap is between Obama budget numbers and the 2011 debt numbers. Reminds me of that Fox News graph.
Yup, he jumps back off the rails there.
I'm serious, the adjective most befitting him is "shrewd." He isn't taking this anti-Tea Party position because he moral compass guides him to the truth, he is merely seeing the writing on the wall and putting on the safest broadcast for his audience.
Its funny because Obama is a republican too.
Baraka in the White House
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From 1980.
I'm not saying he's good. He's just not as bad.
As a far left liberal this drives me crazy. I find a ton of his positions just as odious as those of McCain/Romney... because they're the same. I think he's probably a better choice than those two, but if his far right ideology can get painted as "leftism" and this is the best we're gonna get, this country is on a road to ruin.
The lunatics are just too busy snatching defeat from the jaws of victory to care.
what this terrible graph doesn't show is that the senate CR is actually lower than the 2011 paul ryan budget, which was considered a hilarously draconian joke budget at the time.
really highlights how much ground the dems have given up in the name of "compromise"
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