And there we go. We can now officially say the House GOP and Tea Party are terrorists.
Boehner: Nation on the path to default if Obama doesn't give concessions for ACA
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And there we go. We can now officially say the House GOP and Tea Party are terrorists.
ridethepiggy
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Because they're against it on purely ideological grounds. They need to save face. They tail is wagging the dog. They think its socialism. They think its government run. They're being run by a bunch of Ayn Rand wannabe paychopaths who prefer to let people die then help them. They're terrified the law will be a good one and be used against them in future elections. There.
The false equivalency is strong with this one.
PepsimanVsJoe
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If the terrorists win I'm not sure what I'll do.
I don't have enough money to leave the country.
I don't have enough money to leave the country.
This
CoffeeJanitor
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Didn't he just say like2 days ago that he wouldn't allow this to happen? Useless POS.
This isn't new, I'm legitimately amazed that there are some people ITT that were under the illusion that the GOP wanted what was best for America and its citizens as a whole.
ThLunarian
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Doesn't Obama have a nuclear option to avoid default? Like a trillion dollar coin or something? I thought I heard that somewhere. I know he said he wouldn't use it, but what were his reasons for not doing so?
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The Everyman
Probably because the concept is so ridiculous
Boehner's whole career as speaker seems to be making government ineffectual just so the other side can't win. He's literally a political griefer ruining everything for everyone.
I don't know why there hasn't been any motion to get him removed, Democrats hate him, moderate Republicans hate him and the Tea party hates him. He is ineffectual for everyone involved.
I don't know why there hasn't been any motion to get him removed, Democrats hate him, moderate Republicans hate him and the Tea party hates him. He is ineffectual for everyone involved.
Forget ITT, did you see the reactions after Obama won 2012? The REST OF THE FUCKING WORLD knew that he was going to win. But some Americans actually thought that Romney was going to win, and almost broke down...
Angelus Errare
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Yea I'm sure it'll be fun to watch the world economy plunge into a great depression, you'll be safe from the effects because you live...on the moon?
If this gets too crazy, then Obama will just invoke the fourteenth...
ridethepiggy
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His admin already said he wont because there isnt constitutional backing to do so.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Actually the British parties are going some way to actually offer more of a choice at the next election. None of the three parties are offering such an extreme position as the Republicans, however!
Manmademan
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the mass impeachment attempts that will result if he does would be even more of a ridiculous media circus than we have now.
"Hate him" does not mean they have no use for him, in the case of the Tea Party and the Republicans. In the 2012 election, Grover Norquist said that Republicans just need somebody who can sign bills as President. They WANT ineffectual politicians, helps keep up the "Government IS the problem" bullshit that Reagan pushed in the 80's.
I am probably more right wing oriented than most gaffers (though I don't have a problem with social healthcare) but I don't get how Obamacare is supposed to be more harmful than threat over default and a possibility of default. These uber obstructionist tactics are too much and in the end this means to oppose your opponents become an actual pollicy themselves and one that fucking sucks. It sets a bad precedent for both sides, this is not how minority parties should act. This is especially bad because I really believe that the minority exacting some kind of influence is a necessary aspect of good governance or can help. But not the influence of this kind. This behavior does nothing to help their country.
It's not. The Tea Party and GOP are just being whiny bitches because Democrats implemented a plan they would have in the same situation. But we can't allow the Democrats to look good.
This entire act is basically the last lashing out of a dying party.
The house has to vote him out. They've already tried before. I think this time it might happen though.
Phoenician_Viking
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I really hope that Obama does not back down, but he will probably make concessions.
The Technomancer
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Watching the media react to that will be fun
"Can you believe...can you believe that this man...who has flaunted the constitution at every turn, now has the gall...has the nerve to accuse Congress of the same thing?"
amazing.
Why won't Boehner back down?
Who has more to lose here?
I have that sick feeling in my gut again over all this. I can't believe this is happening. I'm scared, guys
TacticalFox88
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Honestly, if it comes down to it, he shouldn't give two fucks. These assholes need to be put down. I mean put down so fucking hard that they wouldn't WANT to get back up. They're openly committing treason and getting away with it.
If Dems tried this back during Bush years, their whole party would've been eviscerated and rightly so!
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The Autumn Wind
He won't make any concessions. He has no reason to do so.
Republicans don't have an ideology, and certainly don't have anything to do with Rand. Her ideology was godawful but at least she was consistent, on the other hand republicans oppose "handouts" for the poor while they absolutely love them for their rich friends (aka subsidies), they oppose spending while they're the biggest supporters of spending for the military industrial complex and last but not least they oppose ACA that actually cuts costs. And these are just a couple of examples off the top of my head. Also this.
It's not a false equivalency when you admit they're not the same or equivalent.
ThLunarian
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Maybe, maybe not.... But it's not worth crashing the entire world economy because the constitution may or may not allow him to fix it. Not that any of this is his fault, but I mean come on. It's not like it'd be giving in to the Republicans.
I'm glad people are starting to realize this.
Fine, here's a concession: A corporate tax cut.
Anything more than that and the Tea party and its ilk can go fuck themselves.
ridethepiggy
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You're adorable
NullPointer
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I'd say we've already moved beyond ridiculous already. Boehner is literally threatening the US economy. And they've already shown that they're more than willing to weaken it, for no clear reason whatsoever.
Give them nothing.
But take from them, everything.
TacticalFox88
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And he'd single handedly illegitimate both his and every subsequent President's power.
ridethepiggy
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Except the Tea Party and libertarians are controlling the GOP leadership.
GOP Revisionist history 3.0.
"He's the President America deserves, but not the one it needs."
Obama will stand his ground. He has no reason not to in this case. It's the GOP that worries me. Their stupidity knows no bounds.
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The Everyman
don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it, if for no other reason than the inevitable heist movie
The Tea Party is controlled by the Koch brothers and other rich "benefactors". The tea party also has stopped having anything to do with libertarians long ago.
ridethepiggy
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And you dont think the Koch Bros have libertarian pro Rand beliefs? Come on. Also, I assume you dont have auto or renters insurance, right?
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
That's how I feel.
It won't. It will look like him giving in to Obama/Democrats.
It is a lose/lose situation for him right now.
The only question is if he wants to drag the rest of us down with him.
The Koch bothers have pro-corporate beliefs disguised as libertarianism. These scumbags keep the parts they like about libertarianism and ignore the rest.
What's your point?
NullPointer
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