ridethepiggy
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You're quite ignorant.
Boehner: Nation on the path to default if Obama doesn't give concessions for ACA
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You're quite ignorant.
he'd be probably be replaced by a true believer like cantor, though.
that might just make things even worse.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Pass that bill with which Congress again?
Typical. It's uninformed people like you that, time and again, come to ruin any progress that we ever try to do. Do you think the tea party will stop if the president caves now?
Man, I really should watch Newsroom.
Full scene, for anyone who was wondering. It's really good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGAvwSp86hY
efyu_lemonardo
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where is that from?
They would not stop with just the ACA. They would get rid of every program as they are using a non-political tool to hold the country hostage. They are extremists and we cannot now down to 30 members of one half of our congress.
So that we dont default for about a month? If obama caves here the gop are gonna want alot more the next time, and then the next time etc.
There is no way the gop is going to let go of their hostage if it produces golden eggs.
equippedwithtowel
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Pai Pai Master
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Grounds for impeachment. Bordering on treason.
This is probably why I could never be a good president or politician. I'd have no problems saying that shit.
So next time some terrorists call up and make some demands of the US or else they'll blow something up or fly a plane into a building or whatever the president should also just comply, because avoiding crisis is his #1 job, right?
No, it is the job of the Congress to increase the debt limit. It is not a job that is to even be debated or negotiated about. They need to do it. Period.
Really? Damn. Hah. Who knows, maybe I'll find it entertaining.
Legendary_Red
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So let the government default til the 2014 elections? Because the GOP will not cave in, Boehner has no reason to cave in, they are safe until 2014. This is Obama's administration, people will unreasonably blame him no matter what.
PhoenixDark
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I'm not concerned. The votes are there, and Boehner has already told Wall Street and House republicans that he won't allow a default. He's just waiting as long as possible so he can say "we tried, we fought hard, but we couldn't get it done..."
If he simply caved right away it would cause a revolt in his party.
I'm not concerned. The votes are there, and Boehner has already told Wall Street and House republicans that he won't allow a default. He's just waiting as long as possible so he can say "we tried, we fought hard, but we couldn't get it done..."
If he simply caved right away it would cause a revolt in his party.
Tesseract
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you is gonna eat a big plate of crow in 11 days or so.
I don't think you understand what is going on here.
You have literally zero understanding of what is involved with this.
Obama will not let the government default, one way or another.
Legendary_Red
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I really hope I do, honestly. I just don't see the GOP backing down without any sort of concessions at this point though. 2014 can't come soon enough, boot the Tea Party out asap.
Not really...
Although as of September, 2012, none of the Big Three have taken any downgrade action after S&P's August 2, 2011 downgrade from AAA to AA+, Egan-Jones downgraded twice further in 2012. After its initial rating cut on July 16, 2011 from AAA to AA+, Egan-Jones cut its rating a second time on April 5, 2012 from AA+ to AA "because of the lack of any tangible progress on addressing the problems and the continued rise in debt to GDP."[29] On September 14, 2012, Egan-Jones cut its rating a third time from AA to AA-, the lowest of what is considered "high grade", as a reaction to QE3.[30]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_credit-rating_downgrade
People like you are why we are where we are.
The media shit storm will be crazy the closer we get to the 17th. When he folds then I'd imagine it would still cause a revolt within the GOP.
This clown is just delaying the inevitable.
davepoobond
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Automatic budget appropriations sound about as smart as neutering the presidency and letting congress unilaterally run the country (as you have also suggested)
So, no. Last thing congress should have is more power.
smokeandmirrors
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Weren't some of those credit agencies still giving the obviously horrible mortgages AAA ratings even days before the collapse?
Just because you posted something so ridiculous, I hope he never does.
The GOP is going to have to cave, even if they have about 50 members that cry like babies throughout the whole thing.
NathanMcMahon
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It feels like for once, Obama isn't playing politics. I like this. Too bad it took the Republicans going bat-shit insane too bring it out but better late than never.
The Technomancer
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Sure, but saying "Well Obama just has to compromise then" elevates them to the level of a force of nature. Its like saying "well if a tornado is going to hit I guess we just need to brace ourselves and get ready for repair".
But that implies that you need more debt to cover the existing loans, even though rolling the existing debt and paying interest should be enough. Interest is not a major component in federal spending, so it should definitely be possible to pay the interest with tax revenues (with plenty of revenues left over for other stuff).
So default refers to not paying any invoice, rather than just debt? This is not the impression I have of what defaulting means.
It's more like "If a tornado hits, we'd better pray it doesn't kill us and a second one doesn't come to finish the job."
All the while knowing a second one is indeed coming.
Yeah...but that depends on who was at fault there: the rating system or the banks using things like ARM loans and possibly fudging the numbers a bit.
Pretty much. He is trying to preserve our democratic system. It would totally break down if some nutso party that only held one house of congress could push their agenda through by blackmail. Republicans can't get this shit through congress the normal way, the democratic way. Whoever defends this either doesnt understand the implications of this or cares more about their ideology than Democracy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-ceiling-can-obama-choose-which-bills-to-pay/
guess i was somewhat wrong, but that explains it
Ken Masters
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I hope the country defaults
Time to separate the have and have nots
Time to separate the have and have nots
PepsimanVsJoe
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What?
That won't separate them, everybody will just turn into have nots.
Then socialism will flow like water. hahahahahaha!!!
ThatCrazyGuy
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Fuck these guys, terrorists basically. President should not give one inch on the ACA. It has been voted on, passed and accounted for. How dare the GOP do this. Holding our economy hostage. Fuck them. Starve them out. Don't negotiate with terrorists.
The Technomancer
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Sure my point is that the Democrats and progressives in general are infuriatingly bad at this, at just basically treating the opposition like immutable unchangeable forces and blaming their own representatives for not dealing with it.
His problem was he thought the Tea Party had at least a shred of common sense.
I hope no Democratic President ever makes that mistake again.
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I'm not concerned. The votes are there, and Boehner has already told Wall Street and House republicans that he won't allow a default. He's just waiting as long as possible so he can say "we tried, we fought hard, but we couldn't get it done..."
If he simply caved right away it would cause a revolt in his party.
Unfortunately Beohner is already backtracking on the debt limit statements.
Escape Goat
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Black Republican...really?
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