JetBlackPanda
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Shit was good though Sony was about to win. I should have known it was too good to be true.
Boehner: Nation on the path to default if Obama doesn't give concessions for ACA
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Shit was good though Sony was about to win. I should have known it was too good to be true.
This is all working in Nintendo's favor. The cheaper console will triumph!
;_; I wish
but has GOP accepted it?
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
Yup. Republicans have done nothing but sit back and throw bombs in the path of Obamacare since day one. They were more worried about whipping up the then-fledgling tea party for their 2010 comeback tour than sitting down and offering honest input into the ACA's formative months. Then they kept trying to kill it even after it was passed, voted on, deemed constitutional and survived a presidential election, all at the tea party's insistence. They're literally 100% invested in stopping the ACA, such that if it's even the tinniest bit successful they end up looking like gigantic assholes.
Pretty much. It sounds like he just doesn't want to let anyone go blameless, and to a degree I can respect that. he just doesn't seem to understand that this is one of the rare situations where there really is only one sect at fault.
The blame is not shared here at all. Not even a little bit.
The GOP hasn't even accepted that the world is round yet.
I don't see how they're in this together. Why would he want to undermine the entire process at hand and set a dangerous precedent?
It's not clear why it's such an immediate emergency for Republicans to stop Obamacare. They could sabotage it the way they've been sabotaging the US Postal Service and then pin the blame on its shortcomings/issues on Obama.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
ACA was drafted while GOP cock blocked.
ACA was passed while GOP cock blocked.
ACA survived a presidential election while GOP cock blocked.
ACA survived the Supreme Court while GOP cock blocked.
GOP demands that Democrats "compromise" with them regarding the ACA in exchange for funding the government for a few weeks. Democrats tell them to eat a dick.
And scene.
Is that a representation of Boehner beating himself up?
The GOP has also tried to repeal the ACA 40+ times and it's gotten them nowhere.
They are scared shitless that it's going to work and people are going to like it -- like Social Security and Medicare.
nice one, basically this
Wouldn't surprise me, they love the shit out of those images on RaptureReady.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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I'm your guy.
A few days ago, Barack Hussein Obama pledged to never negotiate with Republicans on the budget. This was just after hanging up the phone from a conversation with the head Iranian terrorist asking him if he's willing to negotiate.
The budget deadline came and went and the government was forced into a slimdown. Don't call it a shutdown. Obama proceeded to barricade all national parks and payed particularly close attention to the WW2 memorial due to intelligence indicating that a bus full of incontinent WW2 vets were on the way to DC. All hell broke loose with vets storming the barrier and Obama's brown shirts kneecapping whoever dared tried to pay their respects. After nearly a week and no negotiations, Obama's position is "no negotiations". Republicans have passed countless bills in an attempt fund the government only to be cockblocked by "enjoy your paid holiday" Harry Reid.
All this over keeping a tax on medical devices that the majority of the Senate is against.
It's really unbelievable.
You're right. This post is very unbelievable.
JetBlackPanda
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Ok now I'm convinced this guy is the Shakespeare of poli trolls.
He steals all his material?
Escape Goat
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Bulbo hasn't learned subtle trolling.
Vanguardofyourdestruction
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Boehner is our salvation through destruction.
JetBlackPanda
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Damn. Hemingway?
Haven't you beat this into the ground already?
It was cute at first but now you've just ruined it by overdoing the routine.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
Bulbo doesn't believe in half measures.
He cheats on every girl he meets?
If we are writing shutdown fanficiton now, I prefer Maureen Dowd's take:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/o...d-cruzs-thunderdome.html?ref=maureendowd&_r=0
Lamel
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Thank you. And now if the government isn't funded, U.S. will default, which will be very bad for the economy.
Sounds like a shit situation. How immature.
while I agree that poor people and urban types shouldn't be allowed to vote, I still think married women should be permitted a vote at their husband's discretion, obviously.
JetBlackPanda
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I've got it Nietzsche??
He has syphilis?!
Bulbo is a nihilist. It all makes so much sense now.
JetBlackPanda
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Regardless of how this plays out, I don't see the Dems winning majority in both houses next year.
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thepotatoman
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To actually answer your question about how much debt is too much, it's basically the point at which you can't find enough new lenders to pay back old lenders who want their money back, even with crazy high interest rates. No one knows where that point lies, but it's generally agreed upon that it's not a dollar number, but a percentage of GDP.
We are at about 75% debt as percent of GDP right now. Historically it's been around 30%-40%. I've heard about 125% thrown around as where we hit that limit but we simply don't know. We can always look at other countries that defaulted, but America simply has a lot more investor confidence than any other country for a lot of reasons, and so our limit is likely to be way higher than their's.
But, the thing about the debt ceiling is it forces you to no longer take loans from new lenders, which triggers the exact same thing that would make you worried about having to much debt. So the debt ceiling still really makes no sense at all in any context. Even if it did, it makes no sense to keep it as a hard dollar limit when it should be allowed to expand as GDP expands. Yeah, trillions of dollars sounds like a lot but that's just how inflation works.
If the government makes absolutely no changes in the law, the debt is actually scheduled to go down as percent of GDP in 2 years according to the CBO, so at the moment there really isn't a huge concern.
Given that it sounds like opposition to the GOP is mounting I have to imagine at worst either gerrymandering somehow gets worse or the status quo remains. The latter seems to be a realistic possibility though if some of the worst congressmen and women aren't getting opposition from their electorate, which would mean they technically are representing their people even if they're colossal fucking idiots.
makingmusic476
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It will really depend on how the blame falls when all this is said and done, how long this situation lasts in the minds of the electorate, and whether or not something else notable happens between now and the election.
I'm hoping the answers will be Republicans by a huge margin, a bit over a year, and nothing that favors Republicans.
And that's why you have 2 terms of Kombat.
theyve been doing that too
I'm thinking status quo, with next year ending with just another Republican House and Democratic Senate.
The gerrymandering just gives Tea Party Republicans too great of a foothold, and their constituents simply don't make informed voting decisions. As long as those districts are filled with people who think hurricanes are God's way of pushing America for having gays, and that government finances can be balanced like a checkbook, there's no hope.
A more pressing concern, imo, is not whether the Dems can win the House but if they can even hold onto the Senate - they have seven seats to defend while GOP has only two.
Mercury Fred
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Joke post?
soundscream
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But how can we keep them barefoot and pregnant if they have to walk to their local polling location?
This is the problem with the Republican approach to taking on Obama in general - they have tried at every opportunity for a sensationalist killing blow.
Rather than actually confront Obama on "real" issues like privacy, drones, and specific funding decisions where they could have gained ground and reasonable concessions, they have squandered good will with independents and moderates with over the top and misleading rhetoric and obstructionism.
When Obamacare is fully rolled out, Armageddon doesn't come to pass, and the public experiences some of the benefits, it's going to be a huge slap in the face for their credibility.
R10Neymarfan
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Nope he's one of those people that think both political parties are the same just under different guises.
Anticitizen One
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The damage is done though. Too many people will always associate it as a bad thing:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-oklahoma-20131004,0,1239453.story
I dont believe that at all. Perceptions change and old cranky white people die
Nevermind that better informed people can push for a more positive change that appeals to those who don't like the current system intellectually or by gut feeling. It IS true most people don't want this system, but that's because we want a single payer system, not this crappy attempt at a compromise.
Baraka in the White House
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Seems like most Democrats found a long-lost cache of great big ol' goat balls somewhere because surprisingly they haven't "compromised" already.
It only took a hundred or so times of being pushed into the mud for them to finally stand up.
But, better late than never.
Eh, I don't think most people want a single payer system, mostly because the majority of people don't really understand our healthcare system as well as other health care systems around the world. Same reason why Obamacare is unpopular. Some want single payer while I think a majority don't like it because of all the talking points against it.
Once they know more about it they will grow to like it. I think its pretty telling that the pieces of Obamacare are popular even though the law is not.
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