Bomb Threat Targeted Anita Sarkeesian, Game Developers Choice Awards Last March
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Take note people: this kind of hand waving dismissal via false equivalency should no longer be happening at this point.There it's too much evidence to even entertain this argument.
Instead of #Gamergate, the hashtag should be:
#CDCB
Cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias.
You have internet so there is no way you could have missed all of the discussion about it. So you must be in denial. The industry has a problem with women and minorities in general.
So we should all send bomb threats to learn what it's like?
I like how you tell people not to generalize the perpetrator in the big first part, then you top it off by generalizing them as stupid.
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This a pretty weird thing to say.
Lionel Richie
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That's red herring it a bit ain't it? Also, Anita is NOT getting threats because she's a woman.
Both are extremely wrong, and neither should be used to justify the other in any sort of way.
I'm not a fan of "gang up on a GAFfer mentality" kind of guy, but I wanted to share a thought with you.
Every person regardless of their opinions should not be harassed/threatened, whether it's social media/online/phonecalls. When you start harassing someone that means you couldn't debate anymore, you're opinion is wrong, the other side is right and has already won the battle.
Edit: oh well, half of my post is meaningless now.
I'm not seeing how that's at all relevant to the fact that sending death threats to anyone is wrong.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Most embarrassing hobby just got more embarrassing. It's shit like this that makes gamers look bad.
Agreed, I was one of those idiot think that she was "ruining video games" but then I started thinking from her side of the argument and realised that she isn't exactly ruining video games at all.
She planted that seed and it's shame that people are trying to trampled it down simply because they are afraid of change.
Fixed it, real men wouldn't pull this crap. Unless anyone disagree with me.
No. I think many of her opinions are bs* and and if some trolls wouldn't care that much about her, people like me and many more would never listen about her.
Triggerhappytel
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I hope the police find the kids that did this, punish them to the full extent of the law and lock them in Guantanemo as terrorists. Filthy little cunts; just because they dislike a famous gamer who happens to also be a feminist.
Ugh, this industry is so fucking immature.
Ugh, this industry is so fucking immature.
Probably got rejected too many times on dating sites and now hates every woman his age and below.
No one is forcing you to come into these threads and read about her. You see a headline or video? Move on.
This problem is not remotely limited to gaming. This is an overall society problem, not a hobby-related problem. It's not that gamers need to grow up. It's the world in general.
SenorArdilla
Member
Attack the actions, not the person. Fake Bomb Guy is a horrible person because he made that bomb threat and his reasoning to do so, not because he has never dated a woman.
A Link to the Past
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I'm not calling them right. Sorry, I assumed I didn't need to clarify that?
I'm explaining that there is a gender reason. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a constant thing with female devs and journalists talking about their bad experiences with this kind of stuff, while male devs and journalists are largely untouched (unless they support feminism or women in gaming, but even then they don't get it nearly as bad). Jack Thompson was threatened because he was directly attacking the industry - and verifiably so. Anita was attacked because she was a woman who "didn't know her place." My original point, that gender is significant, stands.
Opinionatedfish
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Here here! I agree with you, even though.. as an MU Tigers fan, grrr.......
Kidding! Rock Chop, buddy.
A Link to the Past
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Death threats are typically reserved for women in this industry. There is no reason to assume that Anita is some weird exception.
the problem in itself certainly is not limited to gaming but this insane kind of reproach does seem to be. i haven't seen this kind of sheer vitriol in other forms of entertainment over some woman's opinions.
This isn't "gamers" sending her a bomb threat, this is one nutter sending her a bomb threat. I'm sure the vast majority of people who play games will not agree that she deserves something as extreme as that, even if they add a remark about not liking her.
Agreed. Videogames alone aren't creating these sorta people.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Make sure to give lots and lots of attention to this so whoever did it "for the lulz" feels like they get their 15 minutes worth and wants to do it again.
Good old media outrage cycle. "It keeps happening?!!" Starve this sort of shit of oxygen, get authorities on the case, the end.
Good old media outrage cycle. "It keeps happening?!!" Starve this sort of shit of oxygen, get authorities on the case, the end.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
Someone who is too stupid to realize that being angry at someone having an alternative viewpoint is a really dumb thing to go to federal prison over.
I don't think it would be a stretch to say that the person who sent GDC a bomb threat was a gamer. Or that the many people who have sent her death and rape threats, and harassed her friends and loved ones, were also gamers
The poster wasn't saying that the person sending the bombthreat isn't a gamer, they're saying that "gamers" didn't send it. Plural, gamers in general, the 58% of Americans who are gamers.
You are back
And now, read the article, this is about authorities being involved.
I get what you're saying, but I think people who say things like that, are coming from the mindset that anyone who has actually socialized with a woman, would know how to treat them, especially that they are deserving of the industry's best efforts just as much as men are. And they definitely shouldn't be attacked for asking to be catered to.
MidgarBlowedUp
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I know what the poster is saying. I also know what the poster who that poster quoted was saying. Fifty-eight percent of Americans may play games, but 58 percent do not identify as "gamers". That's a label that a certain subsection of the larger game playing public gives itself. And it's a label that is steadily carrying more and more negative baggage in the eyes of the general public. And things like GamerGate, and the continued harassment that women receive in the gaming community, will only further that growing negative sentiment.
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Go ahead?
Lionel Richie
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There's no reason to assume that death threats are typically reserved for women in this industry either.
That's also irrelevant, death threats are a fucking crime regardless of reason.
Do you really think the general public give a shit about Anita, gamergate, swatting, or these bomb threats/death threats? We're inside a bubble, we're in as deep as we can get, so everything looks big to us but average person doesn't know/care/give a damn about any of this.
Oh, I agree that these people almost definitely play video games. But something as absurd as a bomb threat is something most gamers would never condone (I sincerely believe nobody on this forum would) and it's just an example of extreme nutters.
I just don't believe that this kind of thing should paint the hobby as a whole in a negative light, which is what the person I was replying to was implying.
Wow, hope they find the people that pulled this crap; people could have really gotten hurt if a bomb really was there....
I just don't get it; why would people hate a person so much? I mean, I don't really watch Anita's videos (only fully watched one and skimmed through one) and while I didn't agree with her points, they are great points to talk about and create a great conversation about the roles of gender in games
. Could lead to games with stronger stories and more equality I think .
But some people just want to flush out her views entirely and rather then think about them or consider them, they just say "You'res wrongz!!!!" and send her disgusting messages and threats X(. That isn't how people treat a human being; it is like these people think that due to being behind a computer screen they can say what ever shit they want....that ISN'T the case, and having the kind of thinking is disgusting and immoral
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Then there is the whole Gamersgate issue. While I don't really get what is happening with that, the what I do understand is that people are getting shut out and getting vile comments to the point people are LEAVING the gaming industry (talk about crazy X(.....).
.....Messed up man.....
I just don't get it; why would people hate a person so much? I mean, I don't really watch Anita's videos (only fully watched one and skimmed through one) and while I didn't agree with her points, they are great points to talk about and create a great conversation about the roles of gender in games
. Could lead to games with stronger stories and more equality I think .But some people just want to flush out her views entirely and rather then think about them or consider them, they just say "You'res wrongz!!!!" and send her disgusting messages and threats X(. That isn't how people treat a human being; it is like these people think that due to being behind a computer screen they can say what ever shit they want....that ISN'T the case, and having the kind of thinking is disgusting and immoral
.Then there is the whole Gamersgate issue. While I don't really get what is happening with that, the what I do understand is that people are getting shut out and getting vile comments to the point people are LEAVING the gaming industry (talk about crazy X(.....).
.....Messed up man
.....Hot Coldman
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anyone else just wanna cry after reading that thread title a few times
A Link to the Past
Banned
Show me where I fucking said that it wasn't criminal. You actually need to have no read what I said to come to that conclusion.
I... I mean, are you seriously saying the "why" of a death threat is irrelevant because no matter what, it's a crime? So you think that we shouldn't need to know why someone commits murder, because murder is always illegal?
SparkPeople
Banned
That's fucking nuts. I don't agree with her videos, but a bomb threat is ludicrous.
I hope they catch the nutjob behind this asap.
I hope they catch the nutjob behind this asap.
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Don't pretend there is not a bunch of other gamers harassing her. Sure, the bomb threat might have been the work of only one person, but a lot of gamers (yes, gamers) are contributing to the climate of hate and violence toward her. That thing didn't happen in a vacuum.
read the article
SparkPeople
Banned
Death threats are a dime a dozen when you're typing away on the internet. (I'll kill you)
But if I called your phone and told you there was a bomb waiting for you when you get home, things would be different.