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[UltimaPooh]

We're not talking about having garbage, we're talking about what amount to garbage, or what I like to call the "shit-to-it" ratio. Where "shit" is garbage, and "it" is not. Having less games inherently leads you to a better shit-to-it ratio, as PSN is not cluttered with slipshod Arcade ports and such.

So you really don't have an argument besides having to go through a bigger ammount of games to find the good ones, as opposed to just finding the good ones easily because their isn't that much crap around them. Not really a huge plus for the PSN and not really a good argument.

 

[kuYuri]

By the way, NXE is great and all, but I think it's getting way overhyped. It's a change to the UI with some new (albeit awesome) features, but nothing that's worth partying like it's 1999 about.

 

[DMeisterJ]

By the way, NXE is great and all, but I think it's getting way overhyped. It's a change to the UI with some new (albeit awesome) features, but nothing that's worth partying like it's 1999 about.

That's what's so weird.

They're pushing it like it's going to sell consoles or something.

I just don't understand it. >_>

 

[Agent X]

The bottom line is that, in a feature-for-feature comparison, PSN is still lagging behind Xbox Live in a number of key areas.

The opposite holds true, too. While Sony may lag behind Microsoft in some key areas, there are others where they are clearly ahead.

The obvious big point in PSN's favor is free online play, something Microsoft sadly doesn't seem to be adopting anytime soon.

PSN also has some other notable advantages, which were barely (if at all) touched upon. Where's Xbox 360's Web browser? Three years later and it's still not on the way. Even the Wii has one.

Where's their equivalent of Remote Play? Last time I checked, Microsoft does market a line of mobile devices called Zune. Unfortunately, I don't believe you can even do Wi-Fi streaming from Xbox 360 locally, let alone over a network.

On the back end side, what's with Microsoft's phobia toward user-created content? I remember there being a big uproar about this when Unreal Tournament III came out. Unless Microsoft changes their stance here, Xbox 360 will never get anything that approaches the flexibility of LittleBigPlanet.

 

[Threi]

By the way, NXE is great and all, but I think it's getting way overhyped. It's a change to the UI with some new (albeit awesome) features, but nothing that's worth partying like it's 1999 about.

So its basically almost every update to a console ever.

 

[Hellion]

Time to take the tollbooth down"

:lol

 

[kuYuri]

So its basically almost every update to a console ever.

Pretty much. But that's just me.

 

[overthehill99]

So its basically almost every update to a console ever.

In-Game XMB was worth partying like its 1999 over.

 

[sun-drop]

The opposite holds true, too. While Sony may lag behind Microsoft in some key areas, there are others where they are clearly ahead.

The obvious big point in PSN's favor is free online play, something Microsoft sadly doesn't seem to be adopting anytime soon.

PSN also has some other notable advantages, which were barely (if at all) touched upon. Where's Xbox 360's Web browser? Three years later and it's still not on the way. Even the Wii has one.

Where's their equivalent of Remote Play? Last time I checked, Microsoft does market a line of mobile devices called Zune. Unfortunately, I don't believe you can even do Wi-Fi streaming from Xbox 360 locally, let alone over a network.

On the back end side, what's with Microsoft's phobia toward user-created content? I remember there being a big uproar about this when Unreal Tournament III came out. Unless Microsoft changes their stance here, Xbox 360 will never get anything that approaches the flexibility of LittleBigPlanet.

great post. the web browser thing is the most shocking. and yes a web browser is perfectly usuable on a console, ps3's one works great - supporting youtube and netflix with the last update.

 

[Dunlop]

PSN also has some other notable advantages, which were barely (if at all) touched upon. Where's Xbox 360's Web browser? Three years later and it's still not on the way. Even the Wii has one.

Does anyone honestly use this on a regular basis (serious question)? I have a Wii, the browser is shit. Picked up a PS3 and booted up the browser....slighlty less shit, but shitty nonetheless

Where's their equivalent of Remote Play? Last time I checked, Microsoft does market a line of mobile devices called Zune. Unfortunately, I don't believe you can even do Wi-Fi streaming from Xbox 360 locally, let alone over a network.

Remote play is nice, not sure of a real life application for it (for me personally). The 360 does wireless streaming with no problems. Not sure why MS doesn't integrate the 360 with Windows and Zune.

On the back end side, what's with Microsoft's phobia toward user-created content? I remember there being a big uproar about this when Unreal Tournament III came out. Unless Microsoft changes their stance here, Xbox 360 will never get anything that approaches the flexibility of LittleBigPlanet.

They want to Keep LIVE secure, it is a breadmaker for them. The UT III didn't quite work out the way anyone hoped, shitty sales and MS didn't cave. I just got Little big planet but aren't the levels made from the console and not the PC? Unlike UT III which had a PC editor.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Where's their equivalent of Remote Play? Last time I checked, Microsoft does market a line of mobile devices called Zune. Unfortunately, I don't believe you can even do Wi-Fi streaming from Xbox 360 locally, let alone over a network.

I have tried multiple times to play my PS1 games over Remote play and it's super laggy and isn't even playable at all. It does play my divx files great but I have an 8 gig card so I just put my divx files on that and play them directly from my PSP and not worry about having an internet connection. I have both a PS3 and PSP and have remote play set up and I have yet to find a single use for it outside of testing it to see if it actually works.

great post. the web browser thing is the most shocking. and yes a web browser is perfectly usuable on a console, ps3's one works great - supporting youtube and netflix with the last update.

But it doesn't support pornhub.com so it's an epic fail.

 

[GenericPseudonym]

On the back end side, what's with Microsoft's phobia toward user-created content? I remember there being a big uproar about this when Unreal Tournament III came out. Unless Microsoft changes their stance here, Xbox 360 will never get anything that approaches the flexibility of LittleBigPlanet.

LBP? If you're talking about a fucking level editor there's been a few on the 360, Farcry 2 just came out. Sure it may not be as awesome as LBP but its the same basic premise, make a level to play in. That also ignores XNA which goes far, far beyond anything Sony has done on the user-creation end.

 

[sun-drop]

remote play works great imo ..sure not so much for fast reaction games but turn based stuff ... shouldn't be a problem. more games should support it ... LBP for one ... hell it's only jump and grab ... at the least let me work on my levels via RP.

and not any use for it? really ..please ... i have a 320GB drive on my ps3, loaded with vids and movies .. .with remote play that HDD becomes my PSP HDD .... i've been stuck in shitty hotels with crap movies, or at a mates place ... hook up some AV cables and bam .. i'm watching my stuff on their TV. GREAT quailty too btw.


assuming the worlds inetnet gets better over the years with fiber extending out .... i magine a world with zero lag ... psp2 would effectively mean portable ps3/4 if you gave the thing blutooth and let it sync with the dualshock.


and why do people rip on the ps3's browser ..whats bad about it? ..set it to full screen veiw and you have a high res, clear browser, are you guys on SD or something? i use it ofetn to check gaf when i can't be bothered hitting up my pc. it's as freaking web broswer ...how feature rich does it need to be to read cnn?? and as stated the most recent update imporved flash support so yeh ... whats to complain about ..it launches fast, allows tabbed veiwing ..supports flash ... some people are looking for excuses to hate.

 

[michaelpachter]

Get rid of Pachter and bring back that black guy with the glasses!

The black guy with the glasses can have my seat, anytime. I'm a huge fan as well.

 

[Brashnir]

The black guy with the glasses can have my seat, anytime. I'm a huge fan as well.

:lol

Now if only N'Gai would reply to this post, the circle will be complete.

 

[RBH]

The black guy with the glasses can have my seat, anytime. I'm a huge fan as well.

:lol

 

[Akia]

:lol that was totally unexpected

neato. pachter still posts here.

 

[Snipes424]

I kind of agree about what they were saying about Home, I don't really see myself using it a lot, but I still think it is a good thing to have.

But from my experience, the people on PSN are better mannered then on XBL. For example when I play Halo 3, I literally spend half my time muting people because either there is some 9 year old rapping into his mic, or crying about getting shot, or calling someone (insert explicative here). As opposed to when I play Resistance 2, 98% of the time, the people are pretty cool and tend to be a little older.

Now there are some cool people on XBL and some extremely annoying people on PSN, but from my experience, I find the PSN to be the better "club."

So I really don't agree with them when they say that there will be more "griefers" on PSN. Especially saying that when they aren't even on the service.... I mean if your going to make a statement like that, at least do some research.

 

[DrPirate]

Does anyone honestly use this on a regular basis (serious question)? I have a Wii, the browser is shit. Picked up a PS3 and booted up the browser....slighlty less shit, but shitty nonetheless

I'll just pipe in with: I had a laptop battery that died not too long ago, and I had some web assignments to complete.

PS3 browser saved my grade and was a perfectly usable web browser (for Gaf and other things) while I had no alternative.

I thought it was a useless crap feature, but it really really isn't....

 

[YYZ]

Are there no direct d/l links for the WMV/QT HD versions of Part 1?

 

[ForbidenMaster]

You consider Pachter-an analysts you lives for NPD sales predictions-an avid gamer??? you must be lost in life.

I keep seeing this reply, but dont you people know how to do math? 4-1(pachter)=3.

 

[ForbidenMaster]

The opposite holds true, too. While Sony may lag behind Microsoft in some key areas, there are others where they are clearly ahead.

The obvious big point in PSN's favor is free online play, something Microsoft sadly doesn't seem to be adopting anytime soon.

PSN also has some other notable advantages, which were barely (if at all) touched upon. Where's Xbox 360's Web browser? Three years later and it's still not on the way. Even the Wii has one.

Where's their equivalent of Remote Play? Last time I checked, Microsoft does market a line of mobile devices called Zune. Unfortunately, I don't believe you can even do Wi-Fi streaming from Xbox 360 locally, let alone over a network.

On the back end side, what's with Microsoft's phobia toward user-created content? I remember there being a big uproar about this when Unreal Tournament III came out. Unless Microsoft changes their stance here, Xbox 360 will never get anything that approaches the flexibility of LittleBigPlanet.

Well since you seem to be the first one to have mentioned any of those features, they obviously arent that notable.

I think Pachter had the right analogy, but used it to make the wrong point. PSN is a park, and XBL is a club. Playing in the park is nice, and you can have a great time, a better time even, than you would have in a club, but in the end you still want to be a member of the club. Why? Because its a club, and being in a club is cool, and playing in a park is just ok.

XBL has become a perpetual cycle of all of my friends have XBL, so I need to renew my subscription, which makes me just another friend who has XBL, so someone else renews their subscription, etc. People dont pay for XBL, they pay to not not be in XBL.

I honestly think that even if PSN was better than a feature for feature a match with XBL, XBL would still be "on top" because XBL is a club, and PSN is a park.

 

[ForbidenMaster]

So I really don't agree with them when they say that there will be more "griefers" on PSN. Especially saying that when they aren't even on the service.... I mean if your going to make a statement like that, at least do some research.

Ironically, the price of entry for voice chat on PSN is actually higher then it is for XBL (obviously not monetarily, but people have to actually get of their asses and go buy a headset, which apparently most people are to lazy to do). So the only people who you hear on PSN are people who give a damn, and odds are most griefers just dont give a damn.

 

[Snipes424]

Ironically, the price of entry for voice chat on PSN is actually higher then it is for XBL (obviously not monetarily, but people have to actually get of their asses and go buy a headset, which apparently most people are to lazy to do). So the only people who you hear on PSN are people who give a damn, and odds are most griefers just dont give a damn.

Well I knew someone would bring up this argument, and your right more people need to buy mics, but at least on R2 I was very surprised to see how many people have mics. I would say probably 8-9/10 people I play with have a mic

I just wish everyone would get the Sony Mic, the quality is just so much better.

 

[Rorschach]

I agree with the panelists about Home. I just don't see a use for it personally. Kind of seems like a waste of time to me since PSN is so far behind XBL right now in overall functionality. I like that they have dedicated servers in some games (BTB in H3 is unplayable!), but other than that and the price, it's decades behind the ever evolving XBL.


That said, Pachter was talking out of his ass about the "exclusive club" and having more griefers on PSN. I have not once been called a "niggerfaggot" on PSN. Playing SOCOM, Resistance, and Warhawk I was shocked how nice everyone was. People are willing to help new guys out, answer questions, greet strangers when entering a lobby. It's nice. I've also used my headset in SOCOM more than in any XBL game I've played. Most of the people I played on XBL were either quiet/shy or douchebags. I would tend to just stick to my friends list whenever possible.

I think he realized his folly after having said it, but had gone too far to turn back at that point.

 

[sun-drop]

it's so surprising that after all this time ... some of the gaming press STILL don't get what home is for.

is it the fastest way to launch FIFA 09? ...fuck no ... the cross media bar i imagine has to be faster, it's one click after the disc goes in. thats obvious. and your xmb freind list is still gonna be right there ..so you can see who's online, what they are playing etc ...this is all stsus quo and it's weird how some press still present the home argument as if ps3 owners will have to give up the xmb when home comes out..don't they get it's not a replacement interface ah la the 360 update?

what home is for ..almost exclusively .. is creating social networks. yeh it's a bunch of strangers, thats the point, so are real life cities.

when i buy a new online game like madden or fifa ... i immediately have to resort to hitting the forums and find people with my game. add them to my friends list so i can keep track of local people who have the game.... making sue i have a list of people i'm gonna get good pings to to have good games online with.

now thats a pain in the ass ..because being from NZ not every1 here owns madden, certainly not in my usual forums ..i had to hit up google to find some obscure nz based nfl forum and found my self a handful of contacts to play against.

yes i could have gone in the game it's self and randomly added faceless strangers from the lobbies .. but those are just lists of names to me ..they don't mean a thing, all i see are a list of people ranked by ping and i click on the green ones. it's about and lifeless as they come.

what home does is turn this shallow experience into some thing more personalized ..... i can pop into home ....wonder over to the EA area, mill about the fifa game lounge and sus out who ever is there ...maybe i'll be impressed by their outfit, maybe i'll find myself standing around a big screen watching highlights of last nights champions league match and strike up some conversation. only takes a few exchanges and i already have more of a personal interest in this potential opponent ... click a button and group launch right into a ten v ten match. and before i've even kicked off i actually give some what of a shit about these people i'm playing against and with.


thats what home's for.


might not be for everyone, sure, old guys like patcher who have admitted zero interest in meeting 'new' people online ... fact is site like bebo and face book are popular for a reason. sure younger people still at school tend to have their own networks, but being in my late 20's ...not every one i know has a expensive gaming console as a prioritized item they need, let alone the same thirst for games i do.

anyways ...it's gonna need people in the dam thing to work ..... hopefully when it launches it'll be feature complete enough to provide this .... game spaces are one thing .... but the main draw i think will be the customization .. it's LBP like in nature ... peoples ego and build in need to show off with hopefully be the grease that keeps this thing going.

and i think you can easily sit there and say it wont take off... that that isn't enough ... and you may be right..but there is proof out there that this does actually appeal.

why do people give a crap about achievements or trophies? some people don't ...certainly lots of people do.

why do people want to share there potentially embarrassing LBP levels with the world ...

why am i spending as much time dressing my scakboy as i am playing actual levels? ..

the answer to those questions could be the same motivations people will want to hunt out rare custom clothing items in home and wear them in lobbies ...the same reason's people will want to customize there apartments and invite friends over to game launch from ...


i think LBP getting out there before home may actually be very good timing .... might be a question aimed at LBP players here but how many of you take some pride in what yr sackboy is wearing ...what yr pod looks like .... to me ...more that i thought i would.

not really too hard to see how home could explode into something very big ..... i'm not in the beta so don't know if all the apartment stuff is implemented yet ... or if game specific content is avail and unlockable yet ...but it's that stuff thats gonna be the meat of home.

 

[f@luS]

Matchmaking/Party systems are really one of the best inovations in online gaming for a long time thats why most new games are now using these.

I think Sever lists are really dated now personally but I could not get over the fact I couldn't .

it is the worst thing ever. Omg

 

[FrankT]

The black guy with the glasses can have my seat, anytime. I'm a huge fan as well.

Good stuff.

 

[Chrange]

Well since you seem to be the first one to have mentioned any of those features, they obviously arent that notable.

Outside of the user-created content thing, and the level deletions show exactly what Microsoft was leery of, none of those points really related to gaming anyway. Comparing the online services of two game consoles, why bring an internet browser into it? :lol

 

[theBishop]

I don't think Pachter made any intelligent points in this. He makes a statement "free hurts... more griefers on PSN"... and then proved it completely unsubstantiated "do you play on PSN? I don't".

Ridiculous.

And they definitely did a terrible job talking about the strengths of the open platform as opposed to the XBL "walled garden". How do you not talk about LittleBigPlanet levels, or UT3 mods, or dedicated servers when talking about PSN?

 

[OldJadedGamer]

And they definitely did a terrible job talking about the strengths of the open platform as opposed to the XBL "walled garden". How do you not talk about LittleBigPlanet levels, or UT3 mods, or dedicated servers when talking about PSN?

While I agree that it's dumb to not talk about the openness of the platform and also that the PSN has more retail sized games as well compared to live. They didn't touch on that at all and just wasted time on Home which no one is going to use anyway. They needed to spend more time talking about the stuff that people use on the system.

But the dedicated server things aren't universal when it comes to PSN. Outside of first party titles, a game using a dedicated server on PSN is actually the exception and not the norm but they still should have mentioned it for at least the first party games.

 

[theBishop]

While I agree that it's dumb to not talk about the openness of the platform and also that the PSN has more retail sized games as well compared to live. They didn't touch on that at all and just wasted time on Home which no one is going to use anyway. They needed to spend more time talking about the stuff that people use on the system.

But the dedicated server things aren't universal when it comes to PSN. Outside of first party titles, a game using a dedicated server on PSN is actually the exception and not the norm but they still should have mentioned it for at least the first party games.

Well, yeah man. But that's the tradeoff. It's like a lot of other things with the PS3 actually. Developers that really focus on the PS3 are able to provide an experience beyond any other platform. But if they don't, the baseline feature set is lower than what Microsoft provides. Sony has done a lot this year to raise the baseline, but it's still not there. I think that's a discussion worth having... especially for a show that ALWAYS comes back to sales numbers.

As for Home. I've been using it for a long time. I do think people are going to use it. But this show barely touched on the features people are actually going to use.

 

[ncroal]

:lol

Now if only N'Gai would reply to this post, the circle will be complete.

You rang, Simba?

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Well, yeah man. But that's the tradeoff. It's like a lot of other things with the PS3 actually. Developers that really focus on the PS3 are able to provide an experience beyond any other platform. But if they don't, the baseline feature set is lower than what Microsoft provides. Sony has done a lot this year to raise the baseline, but it's still not there. I think that's a discussion worth having... especially for a show that ALWAYS comes back to sales numbers.

Does MGO use dedicated servers? That's a good question, what third party game does use dedicated servers? I think UT3 does but it also does for the 360 version.

 

[FrankT]

Thread has come full circle now.

 

[Metalmurphy]

You rang, Simba?

:lol

 

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[Kard8p3]

"I have acheesements."

 

[womfalcs3]

Again, these kids show no knowledge. The guy on the far right seems to be the most knowledgeable. His arguments are sound.

 

[StreetDisciple]

I really don't want to hear Pachter give his opinion about games, why do they always have him on there?

 

[Milabrega]

"its the only system that isn't next-gen"

"they don't have multiplayer Zelda"

Never have her again, Penthouse, just no.

why do they always have him on there?

He's an industry analyst, probably enjoys doing the show and can actually offer up intelligent arguments. The dude also looks real snazzy in a purple tie.

 

[lupinko]

I heard it on a podcast, I think it was 1UP Yours. That number sounds totally reasonable. I think Castle Crashers, the biggest Xbox Live Arcade game to come out yet, debut'd to a ~55,000 week, and these games tend to also be frontloaded like big retail releases.

If Burnout Paradise was the best selling PSN game, then you would hear Alex Ward and friends Criterion go on about it in their CrashFM Podcasts, hell, you would hear DJAtomica say it in the game probably.

 

[Gully State]

She lost all of her credibility when she commented on how the wiimote controls weren't well implimented for RE4.

 

[Schrade]

Geoff Keighley says that the Wii is the only system that comes out with WiFi in every system right now. Excuse me? PS3? PS3s have had WiFi since day one.

Maybe he's just not mentioning the PS3 because of the 20GB version but come on, those were done with and over QUICKLY.

 

[Dibbz]

She lost all of her credibility when she commented on how the wiimote controls weren't well implimented for RE4.

I think she was reffering to that Umbrella Chronicals game or whatever it's called since she mentioned the Wii Zapper.

Why do they keep saying that the Wii is the only console with Wi-Fi standard? The PS3 has it built in to and any models that didn't (20GB) are discontinued.

Wasn't really much the pannel could argue with on this one. Wii has crap online and it's userbase doesn't care for it. Not much else to say.

EDIT:- Missed the post above mine. :|

 

[ThatObviousUser]

LBP?

http://failuretolaunch.ytmnd.com/

 

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[BradleyUK]

The black guy with the glasses can have my seat, anytime. I'm a huge fan as well.

Good!


Then we can have someone who actually plays games on the show.

You= Useless

 

[acidviper]

The black guy with the glasses can have my seat, anytime. I'm a huge fan as well.

Hahaha. I think when we found out that Pachter is 7 feet tall Ngai is too scared to come back on.

 

[dfyb]

edit: don't even know why i clicked back into this thread.