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Boxing Discussion
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gollumsluvslave
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Bearing in mind the challenger has to TAKE the title, that is a bad decision and IS a robbery IMO.
Pupperbabysassy
Member
HBO really needs to get rid of Lampley and Lederman. This fight was close ever since the third round. Those idiots were calling the fight as if it was one sided when it was clear it was close. Kellerman was calling it right.
Pupperbabysassy
Member
Don't listen to HBO's announcers. That fight was close after the third round.
lightskintwin
Banned
This is false. The challenger just has to win the majority of the rounds.
This
illmatic22
Banned
That how I see it too. Thought Kovalev gave away the late rounds.
Could have gone either way, needs a rematch.
Jest Chillin
Member
Kellerman is always on point. It's everyone else who can be sketchy.
x Power Pad Death Stomp x
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I had it 115-112 Kovalev. I can't see how you give Ward 7 rounds.
lightskintwin
Banned
LOL Not the same, but you can keep trying.
Easy, y'know those couple of close rounds that could've gone either way and you gave to Kovalev? You give those to Ward instead.
challenger has to win the fight. lol he doesn't have to do anything extra to win the belt
Lederman and Lampley sounded like keyboard warriors, it was close from the 4th round and onwards.
I think Ward with his rust knocked off, and having controlled Sergey in the latter half will defeat him much more convincingly in the rematch.
I am SO GLAD we got a great fight by two guys in their prime, and people are split at the decision, just great that people are talking boxing, its been a minute.
I think Ward with his rust knocked off, and having controlled Sergey in the latter half will defeat him much more convincingly in the rematch.
I am SO GLAD we got a great fight by two guys in their prime, and people are split at the decision, just great that people are talking boxing, its been a minute.
perineumlick
Member
Lol, yeah! Why do people still believe that outdated stuff? This ain't the 50's.
gollumsluvslave
Member
I suppose what I mean in that is that in a close round usually most judges will give it to the ring general / dominant fighter who commands centre ring and backs up the other fighter - and that was Kov all night long.
If a challenger comes in and takes centre ring and does what Kov does it usually pays in their favour for close rounds.
gollumsluvslave
Member
Agreed 100%
lightskintwin
Banned
Adonis Stevenson has called out Andre Ward to unify titles. If it can be worked out, I can see Andre Ward take that first before fighting Kovalev in a rematch. https://twitter.com/AdonisSuperman/status/800215621770289152
Ninja Scooter
Member
Career low for Lampley. What was going on with that Cold War speech.
perineumlick
Member
I don't understand it either. People saying it was super close, but no way Ward won; I'm at a loss here. If it's super close, that means it could go either way, so why the outrage? I think people are putting too much weight on the knockdown, as if there was no way Ward could rebound from it. Maybe because no one's used to seeing that happen to Ward, in their minds it becomes more devastating than it actually was.
gollumsluvslave
Member
I think as a poster said above it's because it was a UD with all scoring it the same way, yet far more folks seem to have Kov winning.
If it was a split decision or even a majority decision to Ward I don't think there would be anywhere near such an outcry but a UD?
gollumsluvslave
Member
When in any other fight have you seen Ward concede centre ring and be backed up nearly the whole fight?
That for me was one of the key factors in scoring those close rounds - Kovs cleaner work and ring generalship over Wards clinch n kidney punch approach
Ninja Scooter
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People are conditioned to call any combat sport decision that might be close or controversial a "robbery".
The judges disagreed on many rounds. The matching totals are just a matter of random luck.
They score it round-by-round. They don't get the choice to simply call it a draw at the end because it was close.
It was a close fight, the judges disagreed with each other at different points of the fight, but their totals just happened to match at the end.
gollumsluvslave
Member
Yeah and they all had the last round to Ward? WTF Clear Kovalev round!
I scored the final round for Ward actually. He closed it out with nice body shots.
And the judges had it 2-1 for Ward actually. Error by HBO.
Watching Ward fight is like watching John Ruiz fight, most people just want him and his style to go away, or at least stop mentioning him in the top 5 p4p, when he fights once every couple of years and when he does it's a shit-fest. It isn't even technically appealing for the purists, it's just like he tries to ugly his way to a win every time.
We all thought we were done with the nightmare, but he somehow weaseled his way out with a win.
lmao
lightskintwin
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BadAss2961
Member
Saw this on twitter lol
Rastafarian42
Member
114-113 a robbery lol ridiculous Andre fought like champion and Kovalev faded in those later rounds due to the body work.
perineumlick
Member
Ward landed his fair share of clean shots, even more so down the stretch. Just because Kov kept coming forward doesn't mean he was in total control. You are confusing ring generalship and aggression. Kov wasn't imposing his will on Ward, not like the early rounds. Yes he was pressing, but he wasn't landing more than a few shots here and there and some jabs.
BLOODED_hands
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I.... Actually can see it going either way after thinking about it some more. Sure we saw Kov taking the center and chasing Ward. Sure we saw Kov delivering some good shots all around. But what we need to realizd is the fact that Kov never really capitalize on the knock down. He just kept going back to his original plan and it backfired on him last night.
Sure I was salty after the fight because I've had some beers but thinking about it again for about 3-4 times, Ward definitely outboxed Kov. Got the better and cleaner body shots and, this was important, he destroyed Kov in the clinch game. Kov tried too hard to try and outbox a boxer who knows the clinch game and it cost him the fight. My friend was screaming for Kov to remain outside and box from a distance. Kov tried but Ward was just that good in securing a clinch where the ref couldn't split them up.
People really underestimated how bad the body work can affect a person. It really showed last night. Kov never showed and "danger" signs when he was hit with multiple body shots but you can clearly tell that he was no longer snappy and fast like he was in the first few rounds after Ward worked the body. Ward knew he couldn't knock Kov out so he went after the body to tire Kov out and it worked 1000%.
Sure I was salty after the fight because I've had some beers but thinking about it again for about 3-4 times, Ward definitely outboxed Kov. Got the better and cleaner body shots and, this was important, he destroyed Kov in the clinch game. Kov tried too hard to try and outbox a boxer who knows the clinch game and it cost him the fight. My friend was screaming for Kov to remain outside and box from a distance. Kov tried but Ward was just that good in securing a clinch where the ref couldn't split them up.
People really underestimated how bad the body work can affect a person. It really showed last night. Kov never showed and "danger" signs when he was hit with multiple body shots but you can clearly tell that he was no longer snappy and fast like he was in the first few rounds after Ward worked the body. Ward knew he couldn't knock Kov out so he went after the body to tire Kov out and it worked 1000%.
I wonder how he feels regarding Floyd's victories over Maidana (2nd fight) and Pacquiao....
UrbanDandy
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Any good gifs?
perineumlick
Member
Sadly I don't think SunhiLegend watches boxing anymore. He always blesses the MMA threads with great ones.
DeadOnions
Member
I don't think Kovalev was robbed. It was tight but Ward had the cleaner punches and don't forget that some judges score movement and defense which are Ward's strong points.
Btw, this is not a term that exists in boxing. It's not part of the scoring criteria. I'm not sure what you guys are talking about.
they think taking the center of the ring means ring generalship
UrbanDandy
Member
I was certain the knockdown is the 2nd round would have been in Kovalev's favor for the final score...
It was in Kovalev's favor. It just wasn't enough. Kovalev couldn't capitalize on that knockdown and as a result, Ward adjusted. So Kovalev diehard fans down't want to accept that he lost, but he lost. And I'm a fan of both Kovalev and Ward, but Ward adapted and won the later rounds.