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[dave is ok]

Has he though? Anytime he has feigned remorse is out of self preservation.

That's not true. He felt genuine remorse all through S3

 

[Trent Strong]

I wouldn't say Walt's a sociopath. There have most definitely been times that he showed remorse for his actions. I'm not saying he's a good guy! So let's nip that argument in the bud now.

Maybe he's not technically a sociopath, but he's a pretty terrible guy. Letting Jessie's girlfriend die was pretty bad, for instance. All Skyler did was have sex with some other guy while Walt and her were on a break.

 

[Ahoi-Brause]

Maybe he's not technically a sociopath, but he's a pretty terrible guy. Letting Jessie's girlfriend die was pretty bad, for instance. All Skyler did was have sex with some other guy while Walt and her were on a break.

White knighting the biggest annoying cunt in all of tv history?
Oh neogaf...

 

[Superimposer]

White knighting the biggest annoying cunt in all of tv history?
Oh neogaf...

Um, pretty sure having sex with someone when you're not in a relationship isn't as bad as killing several people. Skyler's still a bitch, but to call her the biggest cunt in TV history is ridiculous.

I raise you Susie Green

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

White knighting the biggest annoying cunt in all of tv history?
Oh neogaf...

Defending Skyler's morality isn't white knighting. He's got a point.

 

[AlimNassor]

I dunno Walter certainly isn't a sociopath because he truly cares for his family and Jesse or does that make him one?

 

[Spotless Mind]

Skyler really needs to die a painful, torturous death. She moved Walt's car and he had to walk all the way down the street to find it. I mean, what kind of inhuman fucking piece of filth does such a thing?! Fucking disgusting, reprehensible excuse for a woman.

 

[Puddles]

I kind of agree. It was a decent ep but had a weird, trivial atmosphere. Also while THAT scene was great, it was telegraphed. I felt he should have killed that guy and Jesse to make the most sense. He had no way of knowing whether Jesse was seen, and considering Jesse fucks everything up it would have been a good assumption he botched it somehow. Kill the dude, kill Jesse, then threaten to kill Walt's entire family if he refused to cook. Jesse offers so little to the scheme when you think about it.

As a cautious man, it also made little sense for him to kill the guy himself. Seemed more like a writing decision to deliver a big "holy shit" moment to an otherwise stale episode

This whole story-arc is a writing decision to deliver holy shit moments.

In a realistic drug-dealing series, if Walt and Jesse wanted two street-level dealers dead, those two guys would disappear one day. There wouldn't be a sit-down meeting with two street-level guys looking all cocky when arguably the most important guy in the whole operation (behind Gus) wants them gone. The end of Season 3 never would have happened.

 

[Game-Biz]

I dunno Walter certainly isn't a sociopath because he truly cares for his family and Jesse or does that make him one?

Well, as Micheal Mann said, as an earlier user posted, a sociopath can be a family man who truly loves and cares for his family, it's just he doesn't care about your family or anybody else's family.

Still, I'm not sure that Walt falls into that category, or even if Gus does.

 

[Puddles]

Skyler really needs to die a painful, torturous death. She moved Walt's car and he had to walk all the way down the street to find it. I mean, what kind of inhuman fucking piece of filth does such a thing?! Fucking disgusting, reprehensible excuse for a woman.

I wouldn't go that far. Her character is definitely improving. Still, she has a long way to go before she comes close to atoning for IFT.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

No one thought it was possible that Gus was going to cut off a finger, mutilate or otherwise scar them? This isn't a show that is afraid to do serious harm to its main characters (see Hank or the numerous times that Jesse has been beaten to a pulp) and I don't think it is unreasonable to see serious, but non-lethal, physical punishment come to Walt or Jesse as a result of their actions. I appreciate that it wasn't especially possible for him to kill Jesse or Walt (at least in a season opener) but it's not like he was wielding a gun or some other object that only concludes in death, he had a box cutter which is much more likely to be used for small cuts rather than killing someone.

GOD SO MUCH THIS.

Again, SO MUCH POINTING AND GESTICULATING by Walt, just begging for the chop chop.

 

[Zeliard]

Walt does gesticulate like a motherfucker.

 

[Sanjuro]

Just need to ask, please tell me I'm not the only one who had their stomach hurt from laughing at the Denny's scene?

 

[Trent Strong]

Just need to ask, please tell me I'm not the only one who had their stomach hurt from laughing at the Denny's scene?

You mean because of the clothes they had on?

 

[Sanjuro]

You mean because of the clothes they had on?

The absurdity of everything that just transpired. "They look like a couple of dorks" and the silence between them just sitting at a family national food chain. Walt just staring at Jessie as he devours a large plate of food.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

I just watched the premier. Hot damn that was intense. Fantastic opener. I'm a little disappointed that they didn't maim or torture Jesse or Walt (I guess even a dark show like this has to play to the audience sometimes) but I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt and say that Gus just wants the cooks to focus so he can get his operation back on track.

White knighting the biggest annoying cunt in all of tv history?
Oh neogaf...

Can we start banning this shit? It's one of the worst things on GAF.

 

[| Praxis |]

I thought it was an excellent first episode, brilliantly directed. I always worry that they have run out of ideas or situations that will leave me on the edge of my seat. I don't know why, they always deliver.

 

[Smelly Tramp]

Um, pretty sure having sex with someone when you're not in a relationship isn't as bad as killing several people. Skyler's still a bitch, but to call her the biggest cunt in TV history is ridiculous.

I raise you Susie Green

i think she's horrible, yeh she hasn't killed people, but she had her little morality crisis season 3, and is now back with walt despite knowing his profession.

she's becoming carmela soprano - ride's on the coat-tails of her husband to enjoy all of life's luxuries, but is not willing to do any of the dirty work and acts oblivious

she does get slightly more involved than her though with the whole laundering situation, maybe a more tolerable version of carmela

 

[kehs]

she's becoming carmela soprano - ride's on the coat-tails of her husband to enjoy all of life's luxuries, but is not willing to do any of the dirty work and acts oblivious

what the hell?

She's doing the opposite.

 

[xbhaskarx]

Must every BB thread be this same shit....

 

[Cipherr]

Carmela Soprano was great when she was raging against Tony and the shit he did. My only gripe with her character was that after a while she just let the shit go and went back to being submissive and letting him do whatever whenever it seemed. OTOH Ive disliked Skyler since the very first season. She was better in deadwood, and she only had like 3 lines over the course of a season and a half lol.


The best part about this first ep of the season IMO was the opening before the credits. That entire sequence that ended with the "And I know you want the best" was just fucking amazing. To think, Gale went through all that to GET him hire Walt. Damn shame.

 

[UrbanRats]

Finally saw it.
I am unsure about it.
It felt more like a real ending to season 3, rather than season 4 opening.
And i'm not sure about all the Gus scene.. i mean it was great, from a directing/acting prospective, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me, for a couple of reasons (maybe you can clear them out):

1) How did Gus knew that Victor was being seen at the crime scene and how was that so critical that he needed him to die?
I mean, they just so one generic dude, so what? He didn't do anything at the crime scene.

2) Since when he's so obsessed with the purity of chemistry, to kill one of his loyal and fellow men, just cause he disrespected it?

3) Even if he wanted to teach a lesson to Walt/Jesse, wasn't a beating/ torture/ threat gonna be more effective? I mean, once the shock will run out, they will be back at the beginning (it's not like the first dead person they see, they both killed before!).
To me, he should've run over Walter Jr. with a car (without killing him), or something like this and he should've killed Jesse.
Walt would've worked anyhow (to save his family), but it would've been far more effective.
And he knows how much Walt loves his family, since they had that talk in season 3, right?

So i'm not understanding his actions.

Must every BB thread be this same shit....

Really, on another forum it's the same "shit on Skyler" stuff, every time.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

It was filler in that it "filled" the world with almost 55 minutes of quality television.

lets suck dicks.

 

[maharg]

2) Since when he's so obsessed with the purity of chemistry, to kill one of his loyal and fellow men, just cause he disrespected it?

Not sure where this idea comes from. I'm pretty sure he killed him because he had been watching the cooks and knew the process, and Gus couldn't have just anyone knowing those steps. It's the information he's concerned with.

 

[kehs]

Not sure where this idea comes from. I'm pretty sure he killed him because he had been watching the cooks and knew the process, and Gus couldn't have just anyone knowing those steps. It's the information he's concerned with.

Nah, gillian mentioned it in an interview. He did it partly cause he wasn't respecting the chemistry.

I don't think Gus knew victor started a cook since he walked in while he was pouring in chemicals.

 

[brianjones]

i think she's horrible, yeh she hasn't killed people, but she had her little morality crisis season 3, and is now back with walt despite knowing his profession.

she's becoming carmela soprano - ride's on the coat-tails of her husband to enjoy all of life's luxuries, but is not willing to do any of the dirty work and acts oblivious

she does get slightly more involved than her though with the whole laundering situation, maybe a more tolerable version of carmela

so becoming more active in a criminal conspiracy gives you more respect for the character? that makes sense

 

[UrbanRats]

Not sure where this idea comes from. I'm pretty sure he killed him because he had been watching the cooks and knew the process, and Gus couldn't have just anyone knowing those steps. It's the information he's concerned with.

Yeah there's a Gilligan interview a page or so back.
Seems like a strange motivation to me, aspecially for someone as pragmatic as Gus.

 

[Mr. Saturn]

Well, I saw the premiere and thought it was fantastic, but there's one little thing that's been bothering me though.

And that is why Gus would allow Jesse to live?

I mean, he has no way of knowing whether or not Jesse was seen fleeing from Gale's apartment right.

If anyone has a sensible explanation for why Gus would let Jesse live, I'm all ears.

 

[Sanjuro]

Well, I saw the premiere and thought it was fantastic, but there's one little thing that's been bothering me though.

And that is why Gus would allow Jesse to live?

I mean, he has no way of knowing whether or not Jesse was seen fleeing from Gale's apartment right.

If anyone has a sensible explanation for why Gus would let Jesse live, I'm all ears.

Because Walt wouldn't cook without Jesse?

 

[Mr. Saturn]

Because Walt wouldn't cook without Jesse?

That's what I thought too, but others have pointed out, that Gus could have killed Jesse, and then threatened Walt's family and coerced him into cooking that way.

I don't know, maybe I'm over analyzing the episode.

Edit: To the post below I see what you're saying, but if Jesse gets picked up by the police, Gus along with Walt could both be in trouble, unless Gus has a contingency plan for such a situation.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

That's what I thought too, but others have pointed out, that Gus could have killed Jesse, and then threatened Walt's family and coerced him into cooking that way.

I don't know, maybe I'm over analyzing the episode.

Well, at this point, the game is brinksmanship. Walt doesn't want his family or himself to be hurt and Gus doesn't want to lose millions upon millions of dollars. It's an unsustainable situation, because as soon as one has the slightest opportunity, he'll screw over the other.

If Walt is on anything less than full-time surveillance by Gus and Mike from this point on, it would be silly.

 

[RaidenZR]

This whole story-arc is a writing decision to deliver holy shit moments.

In a realistic drug-dealing series, if Walt and Jesse wanted two street-level dealers dead, those two guys would disappear one day. There wouldn't be a sit-down meeting with two street-level guys looking all cocky when arguably the most important guy in the whole operation (behind Gus) wants them gone. The end of Season 3 never would have happened.

I think this series (like many others in the past decade or so) is a good fictional story about how life isn't so black and white.

I had some thoughts I haven't seen mentioned about Gus killing Victor as opposed to taking any action against Walt and Jesse.

There is definitely some look on Gus' face when he comes into the lab and sees Victor cooking. I think there's some subtext to what's going on where, you have to do some deeper thinking. What Walt and Jesse did was a flagrant and out in the open. An obvious betrayal and clear statement. Victor secretly learning how to cook is kind of a warning sign in that he was doing it behind everyone's back. And it also comes off as sort of brown-nosingly deceptive. Sure, at this stage in the game he was doing it for Gus' approval, but it's a clear warning that indicates more secretive subversion lurks within Victor.

 

[shamanick]

This episode was 'filler' in the same way that the episode in Tuco's uncles cabin was 'filler'.

Which is a fuckawesome way to start a season without answering a ton of questions or setting up a ton of storylines.

Put me on the total fuckawesome train too. I am probably one of the series' biggest fans and I didn't see the

Spoiler

throatslit

coming. I guess if I had thought about it it would be likely, but I was lost in the long, slow tension-establishing shots that no other show has done as well as BB. I can't wait to see how

Spoiler

Walt takes on a more fearsome role in this universe

(as hinted by the series' promos).

 

[Clevinger]

In a realistic drug-dealing series...

In a realistic drug-dealing series, Walt and Jesse would've been buried somewhere in the desert a couple seasons back.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

1) How did Gus knew that Victor was being seen at the crime scene and how was that so critical that he needed him to die?
I mean, they just so one generic dude, so what? He didn't do anything at the crime scene.

Mike told him. I was wondering that myself until I rewatched the episode. Mike says "Lets get this over with." and walks away while calling Gus.

2) Since when he's so obsessed with the purity of chemistry, to kill one of his loyal and fellow men, just cause he disrespected it?

Interestingly enough, At the beginning of the episode Gus doesn't care about the chemistry. He says to Gale "How pure can pure be?", but Gale convinces him otherwise how important the chemistry is. This is important to the timeline because In past episodes, there were instances in which Walt was also convincing Gus how important the chemistry is. Aside from all that Victor fucked up his job with protecting Gale, killing Walter, then out of desperation attempted to do a cook himself. Victor knows he fucked up when we see Gus for the first time and he smiles to Gus as if everything is good.

3) Even if he wanted to teach a lesson to Walt/Jesse, wasn't a beating/ torture/ threat gonna be more effective? I mean, once the shock will run out, they will be back at the beginning (it's not like the first dead person they see, they both killed before!).
To me, he should've run over Walter Jr. with a car (without killing him), or something like this and he should've killed Jesse.
Walt would've worked anyhow (to save his family), but it would've been far more effective.
And he knows how much Walt loves his family, since they had that talk in season 3, right?

I think this goes back to Gus saying he doesn't believe fear is an effective motivator.

.

 

[Saty]

No, no one thought Gus was going to hurt Jesse and Walt because that would be stupid and only hurt Gus's business. You don't want your cooks to lose a finger.
(BTW, if the series had a history of harming its characters, then Hank would be fucking dead right now in stead of being saved by stupid writing. If the series had a history of harming its characters then Jesse would have killed the junkie couple from S2 in stead having them die\ kill themselves in the most artificial manner ever.)

No, there isn't really a good reason why they are keeping Jesse around. He could have been spotted around the crime scene as well. In Gus's eyes he's useless and there is no reason why he couldn't force Walt to cook by threating to kill his family if he refused. That should have been the reason Walt returns to cook in S3 in the first place, in stead of Walt being hurt by the drugs Jesse was making and being swooned by Gus's shiny lab.

The Skylar trying to get into Walt's apartment was a bit too much for my taste. I mean, i don't know what she thought she will find there that will help.
I did like the car parking bit - her way to show she isn't ready to embrace Walt back and she doesn't want people thinking they are back together.

 

[CiSTM]

It saddens me that some people find scenes with no dialogue to be "slow." I don't even want to know what these people thought of the opening to There Will Be Blood.

Hey I personally love There Will Be Blood. There is nothing wrong with scenes with no dialogue but the whole fucking thing has been done so many fucking times. "Hey look at me I'm gonna kill this mofo and yet I will keep my cool face because I'm one mean mofo".

Some times it's a piano wire and some times there is no slice but a stab into the lungs or some shit like that but the main point is that the guy doing the killing is bad ass because he doesn't even flinch when he does the killing. I think it was a fucking cliche and draggin the scene for that long was unnecessary. Soon as Mike asked Victor if he was seen at the crime scene you knew he was good as dead. Soon as the Gus started to change clothing you knew someone was going to die and it wasn't hard to figure out who that would be. I don't think the suspension is needed when the outcome is so clear.
Also Gus killing Victor was just plain wrong, he is a professional now there is two guys who saw him committing murder and that is opposite of professional imo. But I guess now we know Gus can do the dirty work too and he is in control of the situation but I still think it didn't work.

Given that I still liked the episode. Especially the fact that Jesse is indeed the bad guy that he said him and Walt were (after the rehab). Matching Kenny Rogers T-shirts also got a chuckle out of me Overall I think it was a great episode but I don't get the love that mute scene got.

From Gus' perspective it was actually a good business move because he put the fear of god into Walt and Jesse, and he did it without having to do something like threaten Walt's family. Gus killing Victor himself had an impact on both the characters and the viewers that wouldn't have been the same had Mike or whoever else do it. Even Mike was taken aback by it, since Gus may not have demonstrated such brutality in front of him before.

I disagree since Gus himself said that he finds fear to be poor motivator. But I guess I'm over thinking it and forgetting that this is a way to get things moving while keeping the viewers on edge of their seats.

It will be interesting to see where the show goes from here. My guess is that new cartel enters into the area trying to muscle out Gus.

 

[Black Mamba]

Hey I personally love There Will Be Blood. There is nothing wrong with scenes with no dialogue but the whole fucking thing has been done so many fucking times. "Hey look at me I'm gonna kill this mofo and yet I will keep my cool face because I'm one mean mofo".

Some times it's a piano wire and some times there is no slice but a stab into the lungs or some shit like that but the main point is that the guy doing the killing is bad ass because he doesn't even flinch when he does the killing. I think it was a fucking cliche and draggin the scene for that long was unnecessary. Soon as Mike asked Victor if he was seen at the crime scene you knew he was good as dead. Soon as the Gus started to change clothing you knew someone was going to die and it wasn't hard to figure out who that would be. I don't think the suspension is needed when the outcome is so clear.
Also Gus killing Victor was just plain wrong, he is a professional now there is two guys who saw him committing murder and that is opposite of professional imo. But I guess now we know Gus can do the dirty work too and he is in control of the situation but I still think it didn't work.

Given that I still liked the episode. Especially the fact that Jesse is indeed the bad guy that he said him and Walt were (after the rehab). Matching Kenny Rogers T-shirts also got a chuckle out of me Overall I think it was a great episode but I don't get the love that mute scene got.


I disagree since Gus himself said that he finds fear to be poor motivator. But I guess I'm over thinking it and forgetting that this is a way to get things moving while keeping the viewers on edge of their seats.

I think you missed the point. The writers weren't trying to shock you because of who was killed, they were trying to shock Walt, especially in the manner he was killed.

Gus had to kill Victor. The entire point of that scene was to show Gus he was on Walt's level and didn't care about whose blood was on his hands. He put Walt in his place, re-established control of the situation, etc. It was never about who he killed, but that he killed and how he did it. Jesse got the message right away. It clicked. Until that moment, he was nothing but a suit to them who ordered people around. It's a massive shift in perception.

The outcome being clear is irrelevant. Do you not watch a WWII movie because you know the Allies win? or a Batman movie because you know the Joker will be successful until the end? Of course not. What matters is execution; you want to see how we get there.

So yes, Victor getting his hands dirty was something that seemingly was necessary to progress. And he's a huge drug dealer who orders people dead. Do you think it matters if he kills someone or not? Being "professional" means he hides in plain sight, that he makes sure to distance himself from "problems." 3 other murderers in a room meant for creating crystal meth is not an issue for him. It's a misconception to think he won't get his hands dirty; if that were the case why does he even meet with other dealers?

Finally, you claim it's cliche. All right then, perhaps it is. Can you give me numerous examples of this happening in film, then? I want to know just how cliche it is. Not that I think it matters, because being cliche is fine if executed properly, but whatever.

 

[CiSTM]

I think you missed the point. The writers weren't trying to shock you because of who was killed, they were trying to shock Walt, especially in the manner he was killed.

I understand this. But I think there would have been better messures to take then kill a guy in front of them.

Gus had to kill Victor. The entire point of that scene was to show Gus he was on Walt's level and didn't care about whose blood was on his hands. He put Walt in his place, re-established control of the situation, etc. It was never about who he killed, but that he killed and how he did it.

I disagree. Walt has seen the power Gus has he knows he is a dangerous man, Walt is not stupid. If Mike had killed Victor in front of Jesse and Walt it would have the same impact (maybe not from audience's pov but would have worked for me). I just think Gus lost all his credit as professional when he came to kill a low level guy to make a point for his meth cooks.

The outcome being clear is irrelevant. Do you not watch a WWII movie because you know the Allies win? or a Batman movie because you know the Joker will be successful until the end? Of course not. What matters is execution; you want to see how we get there.

Maybe the execution wasn't so good then.

Finally, you claim it's cliche. All right then, perhaps it is. Can you give me numerous examples of this happening in film, then? I want to know just how cliche it is. Not that I think it matters, because being cliche is fine if executed properly, but whatever.

I was expecting this but in fact I don't have list of movies where such killings are done. But you can't say you haven't seen a movie where guy is unexpectedly strangled (or throat sliced, stabbed into lungs, etc) in front of other people to show they will pay from mistakes. And the killer is usually the boss or boss's right hand man and the killers face doesn't flinch because he is A) Bad ass B) Stone cold psycho C) Professional.

But I'm done with the debate. I think it was bad choice to make Gus kill Victor and I still think the whole scene was dragged out too much. Director failed in what he was trying to do.

I still liked the episode. Walter bad mouthing Victor while he is making meth was great scene, Walter defending Jesse was great, Skylar driving Walt's car away, Kenny Rogers T-shirts, too big white trousers, Jesse's starting transition into something dark at the end and all that hitted the right spot for me. There were little things and there were big things that felt right with this episode and some major elements that didn't. It was a great start for the season and I will keep watching. One of my favorite shows in the air right now.

 

[SamVimes]

They should have had Gus kill himself even if it doesn't make any sense, so unpredictable.

 

[CiSTM]

They should have had Gus kill himself even if it doesn't make any sense, so unpredictable.

That would have been something. And to be clear when I say predictable I don't mean writers should find ways to surprise the audience with odd choices but for me this whole scene kinda felt like I have seen it before many times and it just didn't do anything for me.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

People seem to be talking about the scene as if it was all about Gus getting changed and not about flipping Walt out to the point where he spouted off for seven minutes of his typical delusional bullshit.

Y'all are talking about it like it was the stairs sequence in Untouchables and nobody said a word the whole time.

 

[TheOddOne]

People seem to be talking about the scene as if it was all about Gus getting changed and not about flipping Walt out to the point where he spouted off for seven minutes of his typical delusional bullshit.

Y'all are talking about it like it was the stairs sequence in Untouchables and nobody said a word the whole time.

Bahhahahah... brilliant.

 

[dave is ok]

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[Black Mamba]

I understand this. But I think there would have been better messures to take then kill a guy in front of them.

Like???

I disagree. Walt has seen the power Gus has he knows he is a dangerous man, Walt is not stupid. If Mike had killed Victor in front of Jesse and Walt it would have the same impact (maybe not from audience's pov but would have worked for me). I just think Gus lost all his credit as professional when he came to kill a low level guy to make a point for his meth cooks.

Again, you missed the point. It wasn't about proving he was dangerous. It was about proving Gus was on Walt's level. So no, Mike doing the killing would have not had the same impact. At least not on Jesse.

Maybe the execution wasn't so good then.

Considering most people disagree with your point of view, as well as most TV critics, I'm going to assume most people disagree with this too.

I was expecting this but in fact I don't have list of movies where such killings are done. But you can't say you haven't seen a movie where guy is unexpectedly strangled (or throat sliced, stabbed into lungs, etc) in front of other people to show they will pay from mistakes. And the killer is usually the boss or boss's right hand man and the killers face doesn't flinch because he is A) Bad ass B) Stone cold psycho C) Professional.

What hasn't been done on film/literature at this point. What could he have done that wasn't "cliche?" This is why I hate when that term is thrown out there.

So what if such a thing happened in another film? Why does it matter? Did it fit the context of the show and executed properly? Yes and Yes. All that matters.

But I'm done with the debate. I think it was bad choice to make Gus kill Victor and I still think the whole scene was dragged out too much. Director failed in what he was trying to do.

I still liked the episode. Walter bad mouthing Victor while he is making meth was great scene, Walter defending Jesse was great, Skylar driving Walt's car away, Kenny Rogers T-shirts, too big white trousers, Jesse's starting transition into something dark at the end and all that hitted the right spot for me. There were little things and there were big things that felt right with this episode and some major elements that didn't. It was a great start for the season and I will keep watching. One of my favorite shows in the air right now.

You like Jesse's transformation but don't like how he got there? okay...

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

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Game Changer!

But too predictable. I knew Marie was going to be changing bedpans the minute I saw those shoes. :D

 

[Salsa]

sunday yet?

 

[dave is ok]

Hank's blog is back

 

[Cornballer]

Hank's blog is back

The put up Marie's blog, too. Overall, these have been disappointing - not much interesting content in them.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

Hey I personally love There Will Be Blood. There is nothing wrong with scenes with no dialogue but the whole fucking thing has been done so many fucking times. "Hey look at me I'm gonna kill this mofo and yet I will keep my cool face because I'm one mean mofo".

Some times it's a piano wire and some times there is no slice but a stab into the lungs or some shit like that but the main point is that the guy doing the killing is bad ass because he doesn't even flinch when he does the killing. I think it was a fucking cliche and draggin the scene for that long was unnecessary. Soon as Mike asked Victor if he was seen at the crime scene you knew he was good as dead. Soon as the Gus started to change clothing you knew someone was going to die and it wasn't hard to figure out who that would be. I don't think the suspension is needed when the outcome is so clear.
Also Gus killing Victor was just plain wrong, he is a professional now there is two guys who saw him committing murder and that is opposite of professional imo.

What was he supposed to say? I'm really trying to wrap my head around this.

"Be right back, guys. I'm going to change my clothes."
"..."
"Ok, changed now. Say, what's in this drawer... It's a box cutter guys, but why am I getting it out?"
"..."
"I'm going to kill someone with it, but who...? Is it going to be...YOU? No. Is it going to be...YOU? No. I guess that only leaves one person. NOW YOU DIE."

But I guess now we know Gus can do the dirty work too and he is in control of the situation but I still think it didn't work.

You explained what the scene effectively conveyed in the very same sentence where you say it didn't work.