Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 2 - The Final Eight Episodes - Sundays on AMC

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Inorigo said:
It's just a visual reference. All the "inheritance" stuff could be as shallow as that, really. It's not like the writers have ever come out and admitted to that being a thing with Walt's character.
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Well the fact that he wasnt there for Gus' towel thing is evidence that yes, it's just a reference and Walt isn't actually inheriting these traits.
 
Porthos said:
I did find it a but of a reach that Hank jumped to the conclusion that Walt was behind everything rather than just being a cook that Gale worked with.
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It's a known thing that Heisenberg killed Fring. Remember "Say My Name"? It's not too big a stretch.
 
Marcel said:
I personally find it interesting on a show where many characters have to mask, hide, or suppress their soul-sucking guilt/dread etc. to see someone so smashed into pieces and not attempting to hide it at all. That's what made the Skyler in the pool scene so powerful.
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Except she survived
 
Discotheque said:
the opening and ending were certainly the best parts of the episode.

i kind of want them to just get this stuff over with and get to that time period in the future. i want like at least 3 episodes there.
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I agree, but I still think it was fascinating to see Walt emulate Gus Fring in the car-wash scene and Saul Goodman was particularly good in this episode.
 
they got so much across in such a short period of time wrt walt noticing the book missing/walt getting worried about the book missing/walt directly addressing hank knowing that he knew. there was a great shot of walt in his robe outside of his front door, one light lit close to his house and the other towards the driveway unlit, when he seemed to make a conscious decision about taking the book missing seriously.

that's what i really love about the show. it can make spending a couple minutes on badger's star trek script or it can make spending a couple minutes doing Serious Stuff like that all seem so effortless.
 
Servbot24 said:
How is it foreign to his character? He hasn't really cared about money since S2, and S2 and S4 should make it obvious he would be devastated by the death of Drew. Perfectly in line with his character. I agree it wasn't all that interesting, but it's only the premiere.
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I guess my issue is with the severity of how it's impacting him and how it's being portrayed. I just don't see it as a logical progression from the person he used to be. I get the feeling that his journey is being driven on tracks to his predetermined destiny.
 
Porthos said:
I did find it a but of a reach that Hank jumped to the conclusion that Walt was behind everything rather than just being a cook that Gale worked with.
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If Walt is supposed to be Heisenberg, then why would that be surprising?
 
I love these observations from the AV Club review. Spot on.

www.avclub.com/articles/blood-money,101272/

But there’s another side to Walt’s restful retirement and tiresome re-raveling of loose ends. Like most premature retirees, he’s bored stiff, and as is traditional, he copes by interfering in his wife’s business. Look at how he shows up at the carwash to bug Skyler about his elaborate plan for restructuring the displays to move more high-margin air fresheners. The man always got off on solving problems better than anyone else. Now the only outlets for his talents are penny-ante schemes to move money around, one $14.95 basic wash at a time. (“Please give this to your carwash professional, and have an A-1 day.”)

So when he realizes Leaves Of Grass is missing, connects the dots to Hank’s discomfort, and confirms his suspicions by finding a tracking device on his Dodge Challenger, it’s both terrible and wonderful. Terrible: His secret is out. Wonderful: He has a project. And he feels fully up to the task, all but sneering at Hank for his clumsy use of the same tracking device the two of them planted on Fring’s car. “If you don’t know who I am, maybe your best course of action is to tread lightly,” he warns a shaken, awestruck Hank. Making meth was never what Heisenberg was all about. Having an enemy to crush, whether it be in business or in the struggle to survive—that’s the essence of Walt’s alter ego. And he seems to grow a foot taller when he’s able to set that side of himself free.
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But again, I'd argue it's not so much an alter ego as it is Walt's deeper self - an angry, angry man.
 
blame space said:
they got so much across in such a short period of time wrt walt noticing the book missing/walt getting worried about the book missing/walt directly addressing hank knowing that he knew. there was a great shot of walt in his robe outside of his front door, one light lit close to his house and the other towards the driveway unlit, when he seemed to make a conscious decision about taking the book missing seriously.

that's what i really love about the show. it can make spending a couple minutes on badger's star trek script or it can spend a couple minutes doing Serious Stuff like that all seem so effortless.
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I wanna hear what u thought about jesse
 
jesse just wants to die. he doesn't care anymore. he can't trust anyone or anything and he wants to just help someone, anyone, any way that he can. it's devastating to watch.

walt emulating gus at the car wash is something i didn't pick up on at all, but looking back it's pretty great. and i immediately noticed the washcloth while he was puking. trying to piece together what the connection means to me, though. skyler being a total alpha bitch to lydia.

hank is totally justified in knowing Everything at this point. the picture of him looking at the heisenberg sketch says it all. it's not a stretch AT ALL for him to Know Everything.
 
Dai101 said:
Except she survived
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Inorigo said:
Not if the cartel bails. They want Heisenberg and he's left the building. Lydia's trying to maintain it's not working? Yeah, I can see them telling her to kick corporate rocks and then her flipping her shit as a result. Sure.
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Why would the cartel bail on easy money? I think the cartel could bring Walt back in whenever they want. Walt doesn't really have a choice should they decided to make threats. Lydia, however, is expendable and not needed.
 
Porthos said:
But how does he know Walt is Heisenberg just based on the book and one comic like picture? There is no other evidence to connect Walt.
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Heisenberg is "The Cook". Walt is a chemist.

Hank has even been to Walt's school to investigate the theft of equipment from the science department. He definitely remembers that, too, considering he just spent a week pouring over the whole case again based on the suspicion Walt is Heisenberg.

Truespeed said:
Why would the cartel bail on easy money? I think the cartel could bring Walt back in whenever they want. Walt doesn't really have a choice should they decided to make threats. Lydia, however, is expendable and not needed.
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I guess that's true, but I'm thinking more that Lydia can't keep the operation together.

Just because she says it's her expertise doesn't mean it's true.
 
Servbot24 said:
The problem is that is character arc has the least direction of any character. It's realistic, but when the rest of the characters have these obvious, more linear arcs, it makes Jesse stand out and feel like he's not keeping step.
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Cause he's been whipped around by Walt this entire time.
 
blame space said:
jesse just wants to die. he doesn't care anymore. he can't trust anyone or anything and he wants to just help someone, anyone, any way that he can. it's devastating to watch.
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i feel like weve seen jesse in this positiion so many times now though that its like either kill yourself or get as far away from heisenberg as possible

i dunno that sounds harsh but i genuinely felt bad for jesse after jane died

at this point i just find it kind of wearisome
 
yeah his bouts of depression have been wearing the show down for a bit. but it's the final stretch so...suicide or death is just a few episodes away.
 
Angry Puppy said:
shit i think i spoiled a good half of the remaining episodes for myself with a leak. I read part of it thinking it was just speculation, but it got the first episode down scene for scene..

Good thing I didn't read the rest...
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There's leaks out? Well fuck. Time to go into the dark.
 
Truespeed said:
...As for Jesse - this guilt trip he's on feels so played out and foreign to his character of old. Just leave the country FFS. Painting him as an on going liability seems like a cop out for the writers.
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He doesn't care if he dies, lives, or ends up getting caught. He literally is portrayed as someone who had their soul ripped out. He is seen in the same light as in war movies / shows where it shows the aftermath of the fighting. He is emotionally torn apart. Him leaving the country would not make any sense of his character. No matter how the show ends, Walt literally destroyed who Jesse is.

I also feel Jesse is the only thing Walt really cares about. He did many things not to protect himself but to protect Jesse. He lies to him like a father would lie about something bad he did to his son. He's protecting his image to Jesse because he cares about him and his life. Maybe not so much his emotional side but his physical one. That's at least how I feel about their relationship.
 
brianjones said:
i feel like weve seen jesse in this positiion so many times now though that its like either kill yourself or get as far away from heisenberg as possible

i dunno that sounds harsh but i genuinely felt bad for jesse after jane died

at this point i just find it kind of wearisome
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I definitely think Jesse's arc is going to similar to his one in Season 4, only this time Hank will be the one manipulating him, not Gus.
 
Porthos said:
But how does he know Walt is Heisenberg just based on the book and one comic like picture? There is no other evidence to connect Walt.
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No, he also took the whole week to reflect on all the astronomical coincidences that occurred while he was investigating Fring. Plus, he likely saw that Walt had recently paid Jesse a visit.
 
brianjones said:
i feel like weve seen jesse in this positiion so many times now though that its like either kill yourself or get as far away from heisenberg as possible

i dunno that sounds harsh but i genuinely felt bad for jesse after jane died

at this point i just find it kind of wearisome
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physical distance? i feel like that would be extreme given his circumstances. he's distanced himself from walt in every way he knows how, besides i guess actually physically relocating. he doesn't need to be on the verge of suicide to be fed up with every single fucking thing he tries to do in his life leading back to this horrible person who's directly responsible for his shitty circumstance.
 
Angry Puppy said:
shit i think i spoiled a good half of the remaining episodes for myself with a leak. I read part of it thinking it was just speculation, but it got the first episode down scene for scene..

Good thing I didn't read the rest...
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The leaks for the first episode were legit, since it was screened for critics. No other episodes were released early, so I think you're safe.
 
Insanity. Did not expect so much to happen in the first episode, considering how long it took for the first half to build.

Also, didn't like the Star Trek speech at all. Who was that for? I mean, great job communicating how fed up Jesse was but that was painful.
 
Eye Drop said:
Insanity. Did not expect so much to happen in the first episode, considering how long it took for the first half to build.

Also, didn't like the Star Trek speech at all. Who was that for? I mean, great job communicating how fed up Jesse was but that was painful.
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I think there's some sort of symbolism or metaphor in that story somewhere. I dunno.
 
OK i know i'm posting a lot and a lot of it is straight garbage but i just wanted to say that tonight's final scene was pitch-fucking-perfect and everything i've ever wanted in a direct revelation between these two characters. from the power dynamics between walt having direct evidence that he knew (that he knew), and hank reacting to that direct evidence by just cutting off the outside, to the haymaker straight to his fucking eyeball, i was transfixed.
 
Porthos said:
But how does he know Walt is Heisenberg just based on the book and one comic like picture? There is no other evidence to connect Walt.
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Hank knew Walt was involved in the drug world. He probably found out that Walt was Heisenberg going through the evidence. Don't forget that picture of what Heisenberg looked like. Then he connected the pieces. There are things that you can't really know if it connects to Walt (like blowing up the nursing home) but Hank has always been about going with your gut.
 
Porthos said:
But how does he know Walt is Heisenberg just based on the book and one comic like picture? There is no other evidence to connect Walt.
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There's plenty of other reasons that make is seem a good candidate once Hank suspects him. Walt's a very qualified chemist (and how else would he be able to get a foot into the drug world) Walt has an influx of money. Skylar's meltdown makes more sense now. Walt not coming to the house when Hank gets the tip that someone wants him dead. (there's also the tip itself) You can go all the way back to the missing lab equipment from Walt's school. And then on to Hank's shootout with Tuco, where he found Jessie's car, while Walt was missing. Walt basically tells Hank that Gale isn't Heisenberg in Season 4. And it would make most sense if the person Gale gave that gift to was his partner chemist. He might not know, but he thinks he knows. Once he sees Walt in bed with the situation, he guesses at the worst.
 
I don't think I've ever seen a showrunner as visible as Vince Gilligan. He keeps showing up at all of the things. A couple years ago that really wasn't the case and I don't remember seeing or hearing so much of a showrunner before.
 
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