Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 2 - The Final Eight Episodes - Sundays on AMC

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inm8num2 said:
Saw this on the BB subreddit. If we consider that theory about Walt and the
people he kills
, then this might bear consideration.

Might be a spoiler, so won't embed.

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Alpha_eX said:
What is the theory and proof to back it?
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Quite disappointed to be beaten to that (even though it's a little loose compared to the others) as I've just been arranging everything together but the proof of it (including traits that have been taken in the flash-forward while the character is still alive so view at your own risk):

I'm not joking, this quite a bit of validity.
EDIT3: To clarify the connections:
Krazy 8: Sandwiches (this is constant throughout the series). - Direct Kill.
Jane: Flimsy but moving Holly on the side or him sleeping on the side, both are probably stretching things. Alternatively it could also be taking Donald's goatee. - Indirect.
Two Dealers: Use of children. - Direct Kill.
Gale: Interest in Poetry. - Indirect.
Gus: Vomitting while kneeling/kneeling on towel + Buying a Volvo in New Hampshire + His behaviour at the carwash. - Direct Kill.
Mike: Takes drinks with ice. - Direct Kill.
Some of these end up a stretch.

Direct Kills in order:
Krazy 8: Sandwiches (this is constant throughout the series). - Direct Kill.
Two Dealers: Use of children. - Direct Kill.
Gus: Vomitting while kneeling/kneeling on towel + Buying a Volvo in New Hampshire + His behaviour at the carwash. - Direct Kill.
Mike: Takes drinks with ice. - Direct Kill.
It becomes much stronger when you look only at these.

The ones that haven't happened:
Skyler: Rashers + Ring + Maiden Name.
Jesse: Clothing.
The Jane bit is, as noted, tenuous (in all likelihood that one is probably not valid/to be discounted but the others are fine) and I've not yet found something from Tuco (but he's not a direct kill so perhaps he is excluded). I've included all of the time markings and episodes so they can be easily viewed/found.

EDIT: For the people above pointing out the different
jackets
that is absolutely true but two of the things taken from Gus are also different (different car, different way of responding at the counter).

forgeforsaken said:
What about Jane?
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Jane is sort of...unclear. It could merely be Holly being put on her side (which I think is not the case but included regardless). The other possibility is that he simply didn't know Jane enough to take anything. Another thing I'm wondering is if Walter has always slept on his side since then with the exception of when he is on medication but I don't think this is the case.

EDIT 2: If you restrict it to his confirmed, direct kills however, Krazy 8, the two dealers, Gus and Mike, it certainly has validity. Adding the indirect ones complicates it slightly but a connection (even if slightly flimsy) can be made.
 
At this point, does Hank have anything on Jesse? IIRC the last thing he looked into Jesse was when he was investigating the RV and got the fake call about Marie in the hospital (and then went to beat Jesse's face in). Hank knew last night that call came from Walt. Does he know enough now to connect Jesse to Heisenberg?
 
Norris deserves an award for last night. Such good facial expressions

Also have a feeling Lydia will do something to get Walt back to cooking. Hence his need for a LMG
 
sixteen-bit said:
I thought Jane rolled on her back when Walt arrived and disturbed her. If she was still on her side, she wouldn't have choked on her vomit.
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He nudges Jesse, and then Jane rolls on her back. Walt was the cause in a "but-for" sense, but the heroin overdose and subsequent choking on vomit was the proximate cause of her death. You can't pin that death on Walt, you can only accuse him of failing to save Jane.

http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/10-baddest-walts-indecision
 
Amazing.

Awesome.

Just speechless in those finl scenes. What does Hank say before Walt says that's not going to happen? I couldn't catch it.
 
I think people are jumping to conclusions about the "takes on traits of people he kills", I think Walt learns from people he comes across, it's only coincidence that he's killed them.

The silliest one is using a towel to kneel on when being sick, how is he to know Gus did that? Toilets in cubicals (school/public) don't have towels, homes do, like Walt's home or Gus'.

The crusts, Walt is clearly being haunted by his guilt and doing it for that reason, maybe thinking he's still making a sandwich for that poor guy.

The kid, he was manipulating Jesse to think it was Gus.

ect ect
 
Also if that theory is true there is also that Walt is driving the same type of car Jesse used to drive, when he goes back to his house.
 
faceless007 said:
At this point, does Hank have anything on Jesse? IIRC the last thing he looked into Jesse was when he was investigating the RV and got the fake call about Marie in the hospital (and then went to beat Jesse's face in). Hank knew last night that call came from Walt. Does he know enough now to connect Jesse to Heisenberg?
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His search for Walter lead him to Jesse's car and Tuco and the RV incident you've mentioned are his two connections to Walter. He may not be aware that they are partners (but I'm guessing the RV would make that a possible consideration) but he can definitely link Jesse to Heisenberg, even if he doesn't know the full extent of the connection.

Alpha_eX said:
The silliest one is using a towel to kneel on when being sick, how is he to know Gus did that? Toilets in cubicals (school/public) don't have towels, homes do, like Walt's home or Gus'.
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This I agree with (the two other ones are much stronger). The only comment is that he always vomitted while standing up (to my recollection) as opposed to kneeling but either way yes, I do think this one is tenuous. The Mike one however is crystal clear as a mere episode later he changes his drinking habits.
 
Alpha_eX said:
I think people are jumping to conclusions about the "takes on traits of people he kills", I think Walt learns from people he comes across, it's only coincidence that he's killed them.

The silliest one is using a towel to kneel on when being sick, how is he to know Gus did that? Toilets in cubicals (school/public) don't have towels, homes do, like Walt's home or Gus'.

The crusts, Walt is clearly being haunted by his guilt and doing it for that reason, maybe thinking he's still making a sandwich for that poor guy.

The kid, he was manipulating Jesse to think it was Gus.

ect ect
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hmmm. these are all valid points.
 
Re: pic

Small details but it's not the same coat, the collar on Jesses seems to have a smaller lapel, there is buttons missing I think...

Edit: beaten.
 
I think the word whore is spray painted across Walts house in the cold open? To me, that's an insult aimed at Skylar. Maybe she does something to her kids instead of letting them get taken away from her?
 
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Hindle said:
I think the word whore is spray painted across Walts house in the cold open? To me, that's an insult aimed at Skylar. Maybe she does something to her kids instead of letting them get taken away from her?
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I think those were some militant #teamwalt fans.
 
The One Who Knocks said:
The Mike one however is crystal clear as a mere episode later he changes his drinking habits.
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I went to a bar with a friend once, got the same drink as him (something I never drank before). I liked it, day later my drinking habit changed.

Maybe Walt changed his habit because it turns out he liked whisky on the rocks or that he just wanted to be more badass like Mike.

I think Walt changes from people he admires, aspires to be like.

It's pure coincidence he ends up offing them.

Also, no one is going to kneel to vomit in a public toilet.


Walt isn't going to kill Jesse and take the guys jacket, is he? That'd be stupid, wearing the evidence.
 
Creamium said:
that's a similar jacket, but it's not the same jacket... The front pockets alone are different
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It's not about it having to be the actual jacket. It's the idea behind Walt wearing that type of jacket, and what it would mean to him.

Just a theory, though. I don't necessarily believe it, but it's interesting to consider.
 
Alpha_eX said:
I think people are jumping to conclusions about the "takes on traits of people he kills", I think Walt learns from people he comes across, it's only coincidence that he's killed them.

The silliest one is using a towel to kneel on when being sick, how is he to know Gus did that? Toilets in cubicals (school/public) don't have towels, homes do, like Walt's home or Gus'.

The crusts, Walt is clearly being haunted by his guilt and doing it for that reason, maybe thinking he's still making a sandwich for that poor guy.

The kid, he was manipulating Jesse to think it was Gus.

ect ect
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Er, I disagree (I do think it's intentional that the writers made Walt pick up traits from those he killed). Too much emphasis is placed on these moments for them to be mere coincidence (and for it to happen over and over again each season).

But where I do agree is that, people could be reading too much into what the writers are trying to say. Meaning, they could be doing this as a nod to these past people, and it be nothing more than that. We can't assume that this is some deep psychological thing that Walt actually does, and is meaningful to the actual plot itself.

So while i understand why people are speculating, it's hardly a proven theory, or something that can predict what will happen.
 
Seeing the BTS of the episode, I realize the actress that plays Lydia is Scottish (love that accent, could also explain the odd timing in her BB Accent), and she apparently was originally cast as Jessica Brody (replaced by Morena Baccarin) in Homeland.
 
Just caught up with the episode. Kudos to Netflix UK for showing the episode in the morning after the U.S. they've really committed in making Breaking Bad popular in the UK.

As for the episode all I can saw is wow. I watched the 6th episode of Dexter Season 8 and shook my head at the end. The pace of Breaking Bad is impeccable.
 
Azula said:
Er, I disagree (I do think it's intentional that the writers made Walt pick up traits from those he killed). Too much emphasis is placed on these moments for them to be mere coincidence (and for it to happen over and over again each season).

But where I do agree is that, people could be reading too much into what the writers are trying to say. Meaning, they could be doing this as a nod to these past people, and it be nothing more than that. We can't assume that this is some deep psychological thing that Walt actually does, and is meaningful to the actual plot itself.

So while i understand why people are speculating, it's hardly a proven theory, or something that can predict what will happen.
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I actually agree with you that the writers clearly want the viewer to notice Walt picking up these traits, but I don't think it has any connection with him killing the people in a way we can predict the death of a character from a flash forward showing him wearing a jacket like Jesse. For one, Jesse is more of a hoodie guy.

I think it's a nod to people in Walt's past, those who have had an impact on him and who have developed Walt as a person into a badass meth kingpin. He's combining the strong points of these big characters to form himself, the ultimate badass.

I'll need to rewatch the episode, but I've a feeling Walt takes the Ricin giving himself a time limit to get things done. Either way, he's dead.
 
Walt wasn't even there when they poisoned all of those people, so how would throwing up like Gus be like him?

(or is this all theoretical and I'm looking too much into it?)
 
I never would have picked up on these observations a couple pages ago myself, what an incredible show. They've had these little niggles planned for so long.
 
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