AHA-Lambda
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https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...-eu-and-open-trade-talks-with-other-countries
Annoy the EU, turn the UK into a tax haven, ally with a demagogue, and hope for scottish independence if old?
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Brexit: May Set to Defy EU by Opening Pre-Brexit Trade Talks With Others
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https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...-eu-and-open-trade-talks-with-other-countries
Annoy the EU, turn the UK into a tax haven, ally with a demagogue, and hope for scottish independence if old?
gutter_trash
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Dash_Riprock
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Napoleonthechimp
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Cool. Piss off your closest trading partners. Great idea!
Matt_
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Honestly if we are leaning the eu and clearly now also leaving the single market, who gives a shit if it breaks eu law?
At this point would much rather they get on it and try and negotiate with other countries than just sit on our hands and wait around for two years.
I can understand the necessity for not being able to sign an agreement whilst leaving but to not even negotiate doesn't make sense to me
At this point would much rather they get on it and try and negotiate with other countries than just sit on our hands and wait around for two years.
I can understand the necessity for not being able to sign an agreement whilst leaving but to not even negotiate doesn't make sense to me
Jezbollah
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Hmm. So they can talk, but not come to a formal documented and final agreement.. Interesting.
Yeah, like will most countries just tell us "nothing doing" because then the EU is obligated to penalise them if they have trade treaties?
...maybe because trade talks with the EU will be negatively affected if we continuously piss them off and break their laws whilst still in the EU.
At this stage you have to wonder if it's that big a deal 'annoying' the EU. You have to assume we weren't going to get much out of Brussels during negotiations anyway, think of the potential precedent it would set. So maybe it's a case of nothing to lose at this stage and getting the jump on trade negotiations would probably be helpful.....
Funky Papa
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Because the UK is already flush as it is in terms of negotiating power.
But sure, keep showing your potential partners how much of an unreliable chucklefuck you are. Not that they probably want to annoy the EU by negotiating with the UK before it's due time anyway.
But sure, keep showing your potential partners how much of an unreliable chucklefuck you are. Not that they probably want to annoy the EU by negotiating with the UK before it's due time anyway.
Dash_Riprock
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Because the UK is already flush as it is in terms of negotiation power.
But sure, keep showing your potential partners how much of an unreliable chucklefuck you are. Not that they probably want to annoy the EU anyway.
I'm thoroughly convinced that the people who voted Leave still think that this is the 1920s and Britian still has an Empire.
Because the UK is already flush as it is in terms of negotiation power.
But sure, keep showing your potential partners how much of an unreliable chucklefuck you are. Not that they probably want to annoy the EU anyway.
Great cartoon. Absolutely spot on.
You will still need to trade with the EU after Brexit. Theresa May also made a speech last week full of platitudes about wanting a prosperous EU and a continued close relationship with them (although I realise she contradicts herself multiple times a week these days).
The term you are looking for is "Little Englander".
To clarify, these are the two important pieces of legislation at play here:
- Everyone already knows our good old Article 50. Here is the important bit
This means the UK must still abide by all EU laws, regulations and treaties until the end of the Brexit process.
Which takes us to...
- Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union - Article 3
The TFEU only states that "the Union shall have exclusive competence for the CONCLUSION" of such agreements. I'm sure they're banking on the fact that it doesn't mention Member States can't actually talk, make plans and negotiate.
That provision isn't in the TFEU, I'm guessing, because they didn't foresee a Member State actually leaving.
Since a Member State wouldn't be able to put its own trade agreement into effect under this policy, there was no need to specify that such Member State couldn't also talk to other States (because it would just be a waste of resources).
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Don't doubt the influence and power of the Empire
frankie_baby
Member
You trying to say ascension island, montserrat and a few sheep in the falklands dont count as an empire
None of this surprises me. Many of these voters carry the same superior attitudes toward the other members of the UK, never mind the EU. Especially any time Scotland or Northern Ireland infringe on the British (read: white English) identity.
Well, the UK would be 4th in that queue of muscle men if someone else was the subject.
I'm not sure that the EU would be able to get to the queue in a timely fashion to get to the front either.
Maths isn't a strong point for you is it?
EU
US
China
India
Japan
UK (at current GBP value).
Even lower at PPP. Barely top 10.
Unenforceable.
What they can't do, is produce official papers, issue statements or sign anything.
However, I don't think being bullish about it is the best approach - those toes stepped on in the EU will belong to people we have to negotiate with later. I don't think it's a game worth playing. For all the bluster from idiots like Hollande, there are many pragmatists who will be at the negotiating table.
What they can't do, is produce official papers, issue statements or sign anything.
However, I don't think being bullish about it is the best approach - those toes stepped on in the EU will belong to people we have to negotiate with later. I don't think it's a game worth playing. For all the bluster from idiots like Hollande, there are many pragmatists who will be at the negotiating table.
Frozenprince
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Ah yes the time honored negotiating tactic of pissing off the other party of your negotiations. Shrewd miss May, shrewd.
CyclopsRock
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I don't see how it's in anyone's interests to stop the UK doing this. Given we are clearly going for a hard Brexit, it scarcely even seems like it matters. The negotiations aren't going to be bases on how nice we are to each other, it'll be about what's most mutually beneficial.
beato_angelico
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good luck with those free trade negotiations with the EU.
Ah, massive difference. 6th definitely makes us tiny, even if we have to use fluctuations in exchange rate to make a point.
Eh. I've never liked political cartoons that think of an analogy then, instead of using visuals to get their point across, just write the names of the things each part is referring to right on the page.
Dash_Riprock
Member
But didn't the Little England movement want to dissolve the Empire? Granted, they were also ultra-nationalist but the reason I bring up Empire-nostalgia is cause the Leave people seem to think the UK has far more international weight and influence then it really does.
oh thoroughly, they really believe other economies need them more than british economy needs others.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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technically you'd have to detract the UK amount from the EU and then see where it lies.
Considering those countries+bloc account for c.75%+ of our exports your point is neither here nor there.
Those UK business are likely going to move to Scotland or Ireland
Familienoberhauptvogel
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it might be most beneficial for the EU to strike a hard bargain with the UK.
British politicians have behaved as if europe is their arch enemy since the referendum.
I mean just last week the boris implied britain is a WW2 POW trying to escape from their nazi guards (in this case the french president).
At this point most Eu countries just want to be done with it and are rather annoyed with british rhetoric.
The problem is, the bolded both contradict each other massively.
No, Little Englander is a pejorative used to describe those who have always been Euroseptic and who believed the UK had more weight and power than it does. Last June we found out that the majority of the country suffers from this affliction.
Exactly. If May was going for some sort of Switzerland/EEA style deal, or a bespoke deal that involved some sort of access to the single market, then playing ball with the EU would make sense. But she's set her stall out pretty decisively to not aim for that. So getting some trade deals lined up with America and other willing states would be a plus for May when the going gets tough over the exit negotiations.
Phantast2k
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Yep, put on some protective gear and jump in to FB comments on most news outlets and you'll be continually surprised how out of touch people are.
"Where's the British spirit that won us the war?"
"Back in my day (what they mean here is that they grew up in the 60s and knew people who fought in WW2) we'd roll up our sleeves and get to work, this generation is so lazy!"
The overriding irony of Leave voters who continually hark back to WW2 etc. are referencing a period of time that is built around co-operation, acceptance of other cultures a beliefs - something that is completely at odds with Brexit.
Why do you think it's a bluff? For the wing of the Tories that are currently running the asylum, a low-wage deregulated tax haven is the goal. Even Cameron's Tories only ever backed away from these policies whenever the public backlash became too much.
On that chart of muscle men I can clearly see the UK. Hundreds of countries in the world and the UK is well in the middle of the top ten depending on exchange rate. No need to play pick the statistic which ever you pick the UK is there.
The disadvantages the UK faces in Brexit negotiations extend beyond its relative size compared to the economic blocs it seeks to trade with.
ClosingADoor
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You do notice the difference in size between the UK and the countries before it and the EU right? To think the UK has much to say here is just ignoring reality.
Also, there are no "hundreds" of countries. There are 195. And most are irrelevant to the discussion.
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