You're not contradicting what I said. That's like saying you knew little about the Star Wars universe after A New Hope. It didn't matter. The story told in Halo was straightforward, easy to follow, compelling and self-contained. You wanted to know more about the universe. So far in Destiny I feel completely detached from the lore.
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You're not contradicting what I said. That's like saying you knew little about the Star Wars universe after A New Hope. It didn't matter. The story told in Halo was straightforward, easy to follow, compelling and self-contained. You wanted to know more about the universe. So far in Destiny I feel completely detached from the lore.
CosmicQueso
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True. But, at least in Star Wars the story exists.
I was actually sick yesterday but doing the quest on the moon for the
sword
single sword killed THOUSANDS of guardians
It's not really about whether the story is good or bad or groundbreaking. The "story" in Destiny is more or less fine, there's enough there for the potential of a good story. The storytelling is what the main problem is. It simply isn't communicated to the player in an interesting or engaging way.
The following is a critique of the storytelling shown in the game, nothing more.
The missions don't really have arcs of any substance, you simply go where your companion tells you, he scans something, and a wave of enemies comes. Then you complete the mission and it just...ends. With a countdown until you are kicked to a menu. It just kind of deflates and there isn't much to latch onto.
Even something as simple as acquiring a ship, and then acquiring a warp drive to let you travel to another planet seems like it would be a straightforward and easy goal for the beginning of the story, but it simply isn't communicated in a meaningful way. It's like they didn't write/record enough dialog to provide context for anything. All the dialog is very stripped down to the point it almost feels incomplete.
Star Wars may be yet another telling of the basic hero's journey, but it uses tried and true storytelling techniques to great effect to tell that story in an enjoyable and economic fashion.
XANDER CAGE
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It doesn't help that the lore is literally detached from the game, and is in an app instead.
thatmariolover
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It also doesn't help that Peter Dinklage sounds like he can't believe the crap he's being paid to read. It breaks immersion when even the voice actor sounds like he can't take himself seriously. Like I'm being judged for playing the game every time he opens his mouth.
I thought they were going to rerecord him but it sounds like all they did was add more squelching/AI sound effects to his voice-overs.
most complaints in this game I relegate to "to each their own"
This one I actually agree with. The stupid little grimoire badge pops up and "hey go to your iphone app to read this". And wtf bungie.. an iphone-only app? really? really!?!?!? You couldn't spend the extra 5 hours of development and made it universal for ipad also?
sigh
ok, done. back to loving the game.
he's a robot AI... IMHO he sounds like about how he's supposed to.
Yikes!
Honestly, the script does him no favors though. I feel like I would be enjoying the story more if the game wasn't so serious the whole time. I mean, it doesn't have to be goofy in tone like Borderlands, but the experience can feel sterile and rather lifeless at times.
thatmariolover
Member
I think those are fair arguments.
To be honest, it may be that it's hard to take him seriously because of the lack of lore. He's making serious references, but making no attempt to bring the player up to speed on why you should care. He goes on about 'things being worse than [he] thought' or how you 'struck a blow' but the conflict doesn't seem real.
most complaints in this game I relegate to "to each their own"
This one I actually agree with. The stupid little grimoire badge pops up and "hey go to your iphone app to read this". And wtf bungie.. an iphone-only app? really? really!?!?!? You couldn't spend the extra 5 hours of development and made it universal for ipad also?
sigh
ok, done. back to loving the game.
he's a robot AI... IMHO he sounds like about how he's supposed to.
There's an android app that's works with tablets. Who knows what's going on with the iPad version
Heavy's Sandvich
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What about something for ipad like he asked?
sorry. didn't specifically mean iphone.. just "phone-only". there's no tablet-specific app which I almost maybe sort of at least might be inclined to work with as a second screen experience while I am playing.
I accidentally hit post when trying to change tabs on my phone.
Anyways, they said before the beta the iPad version would be coming around launch.
We've reached a point where very few stories are truly "groundbreaking" anymore. That doesn't mean Star Wars wasn't extremely enjoyable with entertaining, colorful characters and a fleshed out believable universe. Destiny's universe, thus far, is bland, lifeless, sterile and flat out boring. The only source of any information in-game comes from Guilty Spark -- I mean Ghost -- which is voiced by the most bored Peter Dinklage I've ever heard.
Yeah, a lot of lines the actors are asked to read are more or less non-sequiturs with no context, which would make it hard for any voice actor to latch on to anything and get excited about the material.
It doesn't need to be wacky, but there could be more character, like Nathan Fillion's guy in the tower whispering "Take me with you" when you exit out of his inventory. That's a fun little gag and plays with the idea that his NPC just stands around in the same place endlessly. More cohesiveness and progression to the dialog during story/missions would help as well.
No. After The first Halo you knew nothing about the universe. You stated otherwise. Also halos story was critised as hard to follow in the first game.
I agree though, Destiny's world is less intriguing to me that Halo's was at the time.
well I mean the iphone version "works" with the ipad in the same way.. but that is markedly different from a "tablet app"
Find me one person who said Halo 1's story was hard to follow.
It had a very simple, while still being compelling, story. It required very little effort from the player to understand what was going on.
It helped that you didn't have to give them an email to spam and look up a shitty app or clunky site to get any exposition. Not even half assed. Quarter assed and I'll advised.
XANDER CAGE
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The universe and backstory was mysterious at the end of Halo. The plot was incredibly easy to follow.
Incidentally, having a simple and engaging plot is what made all of the background stuff in Halo interesting. In Destiny, everything is this kind of cryptic malaise that assumes that you find the backstory interesting enough to look it up outside of the game, despite none of it really mattering in the game. This is the same problem Halo 2 had; it rocketed up its own ass with a sudden influx of empty religious references and Mysterious Sounding Capitalized Names that stood in the stead of an accessible plot, rather than being part of one.
Discotheque
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so the story's pretty much in line with what was in the beta? opening mah ps4 bundle when i get home from class
lol damn. i can't believe this but somehow titanfall might have had better story presentation then.
two really hyped mp games lacking in content, sequels better be full of stuff
bungie was always weak with the story but at least it looked like they were trying with the halo series.
lol damn. i can't believe this but somehow titanfall might have had better story presentation then.
two really hyped mp games lacking in content, sequels better be full of stuff
bungie was always weak with the story but at least it looked like they were trying with the halo series.
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
most complaints in this game I relegate to "to each their own"
This one I actually agree with. The stupid little grimoire badge pops up and "hey go to your iphone app to read this". And wtf bungie.. an iphone-only app? really? really!?!?!? You couldn't spend the extra 5 hours of development and made it universal for ipad also?
sigh
ok, done. back to loving the game.
he's a robot AI... IMHO he sounds like about how he's supposed to.
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying but I check the grimoire cards on my ipad. It's in the destiny companion app. Was looking through all of the ones I unlocked yesterday
Why do I care about the story? Because Bungie sold the game in interviews with comments like this:
Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...tiny-can-surpass-halo-sit-alongside-star-wars
Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...tiny-can-surpass-halo-sit-alongside-star-wars
Thats a hilarious quote!.
What the hell did they spend $500mil on with this game?, $450mil must of been marketing.
This is crazy.
Lmao, wow. This guy is eating some serious crow now.
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Deleted member 17706
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Making people go to Bungie.net to read the lore cards or whatever that you collect is pretty damn shitty.
This is so hilarious on so many levels
Anton Sugar
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Yup. The Bungie circle-jerking over the EPICNESS of Destiny is a big reason why I'm disappointed.
I feel like this happens a lot with video game stories (at least for the games I care about). Whenever any deep lore or unusual sounding names come up people act as if it is an impenetrable mess. Just because you do not take two seconds to go beyond the initial introduction of the name itself (which can be confusing and/or weird at first) and see what something actually is (like a place, person, battle, etc.) and how it connects to the universe does not mean the story is bad, just that you have terrible comprehension skills.
They should be. After all the pre release bluster the game has been just OK so far, this is Bungie, OK shouldn't be a word that's acceptable to them.
I'm sure they'll enjoy the money but they also have lots of DLC to sell. If people leave the game in droves who'll be buying that?
I'm not really surprised at Destinys story/lack of it/not very good. I realise I'm only speaking for myself but I've always thought Bungie were incredibly shit storytellers. I have never cared about a single story they've ever told in any of their games, especially the Halo games. Only the first Halo game made me curious due to the whole franchise being new, the air of mystery about it etc but apart from that it's the combat that keep me coming back to their games and thankfully that's were Destiny REALLY delivers exactly what I want. In fact I'd call it a phenomenal shooter tbh, every firefight is fun and tense, love it. No spectacle needed - just your guns, some mobs, some great AI and a good time. Borderlands 2 fucking wishes it had combat as good as this. All the weapons in the world and 'wacky humour' can't cover up how dull it can be to play that series at times.
I'm also coming at it from the point of view that I don't care about Halos extended lore etc, I know a lot of fans love the books etc whilst I don't care about any of that at all.
I'm also coming at it from the point of view that I don't care about Halos extended lore etc, I know a lot of fans love the books etc whilst I don't care about any of that at all.
Unskippable cutscenes too. So not only is the story bad but i have to sit through it when I start a new character because they desperately want me to soak in their genius.
high praise....
Not only that but I think Destiny is less ambitious than Halo Combat Evolved, particularly in the mission design and "emergent" gameplay.
MasterChef420
Banned
That is the whole reason for this thread. The review embargo or "delay"
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Deleted member 17706
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I think I heard Jeff Gerstmann say something like they wanted people to wait until midnight of the day following the release of the game. I don't think it was a traditional embargo or anything like that, though.
Either way, reviewers are perfectly free to post their reviews without repercussion, I believe.
Either way, reviewers are perfectly free to post their reviews without repercussion, I believe.
Agree.
The thing that makes Halo work is the enemies (excluding the flood) and the interesting different approaches to enemy encounters both of which are missing in Destiny's monster closet approach to design. The enemies are now plain tiresome to fight.
Contrast that to how awesome the Covenant were to fight in the Halo games. Each encounter and approach would be extremely different and less about 'grinding' which I think is at the core of why I'm finding the Destiny slightly annoying. The seeds of an awesome experience are here but Bungie haven't nailed that '30 secs of fun' they used to talk about so much.
Gray Matter
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I gotta say I'm not enjoying this game. Granted I've only been playing for a few hours. The "story", where is it?
Half the time I have no clue what is going on, or why I am doing it. The gameplay seems repetitive, for me.
I should have held out on this.
Edit: good thing GameStop has a $40 guarantee by oct. 8th.
Half the time I have no clue what is going on, or why I am doing it. The gameplay seems repetitive, for me.
I should have held out on this.
Edit: good thing GameStop has a $40 guarantee by oct. 8th.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Spot on. So far, I think the game feels pretty empty and lacking in general even if I do like much of what's there and never really expected much from the hyped up epic story pre-release marketing. I keep thinking of the old Wendy's commercials with the old lady asking, where's the beef?
ebullientprism
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Read the EG early "review"/impressions and it really sounds like its gonna review lower than what I thought it would.
I thought the game always looked kinda bland but I really though the press would eat it up. Especially considering the hype its getting.
I thought the game always looked kinda bland but I really though the press would eat it up. Especially considering the hype its getting.
Everyone's to scared to post a review. First one will probably get there head kicked in.
opticalmace
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There is one, by a UK business magazine. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/destiny-review-bungies-latest-slick-functional-perfectly-refined-1464905
8/10
TangoAlphaLima
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But some unscrupulous outfit would have already posted some kind of official review if that was the case. There's too much collusion here for it to be a coincidence. Activision is enforcing a post-release review embargo and is probably threatening journalists with not getting Call of Duty early if they release a review with score early.
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