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Bush plans to attack Iran in June...

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ShadowRed

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says Scott Ritter, but I'm not sure how much weight we should give this, considering his predictions about the WMD in Iraq. :lol Anyhow if he is correct then it will be a hot summer in the Middle East.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/20/221619/711






Scott Ritter: Bush plans to attack Iran in June
by NoAlternative
Sun Feb 20th, 2005 at 19:16:19 PST

This is kind of a convenient followup to yesterdays diary on the fact that the IAEA has found no evidence of a nuclear program in Iran. This is why the Europeans won't go along with us, and prefer negotiation. The same people who lied about WMD in Iraq are at it again in Iran. Sadly it appears only a few people read that story. Perhaps it was "Propagannon fever"?

Diaries :: NoAlternative's diary ::

Scott Ritter, appearing with journalist Dahr Jamail yesterday in Washington State, dropped two shocking bombshells in a talk delivered to a packed house in Olympia's Capitol Theater. The ex-Marine turned UNSCOM weapons inspector said that George W. Bush has "signed off" on plans to bomb Iran in June 2005, and claimed the U.S. manipulated the results of the recent Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.
Olympians like to call the Capitol Theater "historic," but it's doubtful whether the eighty-year-old edifice has ever been the scene of more portentous revelations.

The principal theme of Scott Ritter's talk was Americans' duty to protect the U.S. Constitution by taking action to bring an end to the illegal war in Iraq. But in passing, the former UNSCOM weapons inspector stunned his listeners with two pronouncements. Ritter said plans for a June attack on Iran have been submitted to President George W. Bush, and that the president has approved them. He also asserted that knowledgeable sources say U.S. officials "cooked" the results of the Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.

On Iran, Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005. Its purported goal is the destruction of Iran's alleged program to develop nuclear weapons, but Ritter said neoconservatives in the administration also expected that the attack would set in motion a chain of events leading to regime change in the oil-rich nation of 70 million -- a possibility Ritter regards with the greatest skepticism.

Ritter also said Bush fixed the election in Iraq


The former Marine also said that the Jan. 30 elections, which George W. Bush has called "a turning point in the history of Iraq, a milestone in the advance of freedom," were not so free after all. Ritter said that U.S. authorities in Iraq had manipulated the results in order to reduce the percentage of the vote received by the United Iraqi Alliance from 56% to 48%.
He went on to say he thought this next phase of the war could be stopped, but that he feared Iraq might be remembered as a rather small event preceding a much greater conflagration. He also hinted that this was going to come out in a major news event. The article suggested it would be another Sy Hersh expose. Perhaps this is why Tony Blankley is calling Hersh "traitor"!
 

SickBoy

Member
How popular will an invasion of Iran be? Particularly if the same sort of "warning signs" happen as did with Iraq (ie: significant opposition from the international community, concerns that other avenues haven't been exhausted). I doubt Bush could play on the same fears and feelings as successfully. There's no figure like Saddam who is universally recognizable and hated by the world at large. I don't know, it just doesn't strike me as a move the American people will buy into in the same way.

Maybe he doesn't care. He doesn't have to worry about winning another presidency....
 

Azih

Member
Iran's a repressive totalitarian regime, they're just a mild one, in an overall sense. Especially since the country is very homogenous (racially all Persian, almost all Shiite Muslims), and the minorities there don't get persecuted (heck the country has a centuries old community of Jews). The tension there isn't religious or racial in nature, it's political (Democracy vs Theocracy).

They're still horrible though. Journalists disappear, get killed etc.
 
All the Iran ruler guys have looked the same, but ive never understood whats going on over there, and in that respect I cant just assume its bad things.

So what if they have nukes, who doesnt. Why are we so upset people have nukes. Its clear it doesnt matter what country you are in when it comes to some war crazed looney having nukes at his disposal *cough*

And furthermore we cant fight our standard of evil by becoming evil. Some things are just going to exist in spite of us. Argh bush you dumbass.
 

Azih

Member
SickBoy said:
How popular will an invasion of Iran be?
I'm pretty sure what Ritter is alluding to is a bombing campaign, not an invasion. Bombing campaigns seem to be a real easy sell to Americans.
 

SteveMeister

Hang out with Steve.
ShadowRed said:
Ritter also said Bush fixed the election in Iraq

I don't buy it. The last thing Bush wanted was a government dominated by Iran-backed Shi'ites, but election results show that's what Iraq is getting...
 

ShadowRed

Banned
SteveMeister said:
I don't buy it. The last thing Bush wanted was a government dominated by Iran-backed Shi'ites, but election results show that's what Iraq is getting...




Note he says they lowered the Shi'ites percentage from 52% to 47%. At the least it assured that the Shi'ites didn't get a majority stake in the government.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
We current don't have the forces to attack Iran.... THE DRAFT IS A COMIN!!!!
 

android

Theoretical Magician
says Scott Ritter, but I'm not sure how much weight we should give this, considering his predictions about the WMD in Iraq. Anyhow if he is correct then it will be a hot summer in the Middle East.
Isn't Scott Ritter the UN weapons inspector in Iraq who said the Bush Administration were lying about the WMD's in Iraq. And then he spoke before the Iraqi government and was labeled a Saddam supporter because of it. If this is the same guy he was right.
040820_ScottRitter.jpg
 

hippie

Banned
John Titor indeed.

The sooner the better I guess. Might as well get it over with now. In the words of a crappy cheerleading movie, as well as our beloved President....."bring it on".
 

ShadowRed

Banned
android said:
Isn't Scott Ritter the UN weapons inspector in Iraq who said the Bush Administration were lying about the WMD's in Iraq. And then he spoke before the Iraqi government and was labeled a Saddam supporter because of it. If this is the same guy he was right.
040820_ScottRitter.jpg



Yeah that's him and notice the emote in the middle of my post.
 

android

Theoretical Magician
Your emote made no sense. Are you laughing at his accusations against the Bushies and you are a avid watcher of Foxnews or are you laughing at the fact that he was right all along and no one listened.
Either way I think He and Seymour Hersh have hit the nail on the head. And with the new Syria- Iran mutal defense pact, say hello draft. This won't be a series of strikes and then a popular uprising. It will be about a hundred million people in a warzone cause by the US. Real brillant move Dubya.
 

Burger

Member
MrAngryFace said:
saying 'you guys' is pretty fucking stupid. It stopped being about 'us guys' a long time ago

You = America = You Guys.

Your current administration was voted in for a second term, by Americans, your people.

Sure, I'm generalising, but for fucks sake, you are about to attack yet another country.
 

ShadowRed

Banned
android said:
Your emote made no sense. Are you laughing at his accusations against the Bushies and you are a avid watcher of Foxnews or are you laughing at the fact that he was right all along and no one listened.
Either way I think He and Seymour Hersh have hit the nail on the head. And with the new Syria- Iran mutal defense pact, say hello draft. This won't be a series of strikes and then a popular uprising. It will be about a hundred million people in a warzone cause by the US. Real brillant move Dubya.



Yes the emote was ment to be sarcastic. He was right on about Iraq having no WMDs.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
Yeah. WEll... uh... hooah?

The way I look at it, we might as well invade Persia. no great empire has ever become great without invading persia... so.... bottoms up, kiddies.


and i'm not being sarcastic. AT ALL!
 
Yeah im about to attack another country. You've caught me between refuling my B-2 bomber squad and ordering guns for my troops. Im glad youve taken notice of my actions because they will change history.

Im crazy that way.
 

Firest0rm

Member
ShadowRed said:
Note he says they lowered the Shi'ites percentage from 52% to 47%. At the least it assured that the Shi'ites didn't get a majority stake in the government.

The reality of the situation though is that Shi'ites did get majority because many parties didnt get enough votes to secure seats. Therefore the remaining seats were redistributed to parties that had more votes. Instead of 132 seats out of 275 (48%), they were bumped up to 140 seats (52%), so they got majority. However this majority does not give them complete control of the government because they needed 2/3rds of the seats which even with the 56% that he claims would not have been acheived.
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
Burger said:
You guys really are hell bent on fucking this planet up are you not ??

Hey, you know what? Fuck it. When the draft comes calling, I'll kindly point them towards the closest red state. I voted for the guy who doesn't spell "Hello" N-U-K-E E-M.
 

Dilbert

Member
Those are some awfully big claims to be making without any kind of evidence.

Who is Ritter connected to in the Bush Administration who would leak out that kind of info? It doesn't make any sense.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
Who is Ritter connected to in the Bush Administration who would leak out that kind of info? It doesn't make any sense.

I know a person that's connected REALLY high up in the GOP, and she's been saying the same thing now for a month. The person that told her hasn't been wrong about any of the major moves Bush has made since he came to the office in 2001. I know it's circumstantial, and by no means definite, but the fact that someone as respected as Ritter is saying this stuff is even more weight towards the opinion that we're going in, in some way, shape or form.

EDIT: oh yeah, and dont forget about Sy Hersh. He also has some informants in there, saying the same type of things. He knew about the stuff in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo before the story broke.
 

Dilbert

Member
whytemyke said:
I know a person that's connected REALLY high up in the GOP, and she's been saying the same thing now for a month. The person that told her hasn't been wrong about any of the major moves Bush has made since he came to the office in 2001. I know it's circumstantial, and by no means definite, but the fact that someone as respected as Ritter is saying this stuff is even more weight towards the opinion that we're going in, in some way, shape or form.

EDIT: oh yeah, and dont forget about Sy Hersh. He also has some informants in there, saying the same type of things. He knew about the stuff in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo before the story broke.
My point is that Seymour Hersh is a well-connected, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. It would make sense that he'd be able to dig up some dirt on his own. But Scott Ritter has been at odds with the Bush Administration for a while. I can't imagine that anyone truly in the inner circle would want to give him any ammunition.
 

Saturnman

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-jinx- said:
Those are some awfully big claims to be making without any kind of evidence.

Who is Ritter connected to in the Bush Administration who would leak out that kind of info? It doesn't make any sense.

You have to take his word and trust his knowledgeable sources, that's the jist of it.

Now here are the reasons why Bush will invade/bomb Iran:

- 'urgency' of the threat
- Iran could potentially ruin US efforts in Iraq in the long run
- Iran about to adopt Euro for trading oil
- US forces are already in the neighbourhood
- this is Bush's last mandate with neocons having no guarantee they will have someone similar in the white house in 2009
- Bush opponents expect the worse of Bush so logically, he has to start another war. :)
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
-jinx- said:
My point is that Seymour Hersh is a well-connected, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. It would make sense that he'd be able to dig up some dirt on his own. But Scott Ritter has been at odds with the Bush Administration for a while. I can't imagine that anyone truly in the inner circle would want to give him any ammunition.

Haha, I really dont know man. I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the political sources of Scott Ritter. Maybe he reads the New Yorker. I really don't know, and I'm taking the post with a grain of salt like I do with most internet information.

But nonetheless, the fact that somebody thats as politically connected as Ritter would come on the record about something like this is definitely intriguing, to say the least.
 

android

Theoretical Magician
Scott Ritter knew Iraq because he was the man on the ground fighting the Hussein government on a daily basis over the weapons inspections. He knew there were no weapons manufacturing going on because he knew the status of inspections like no one else.
How he knows about Iran is anyones guess, but he is liable to have friends in the intellegence community. Many in the CIA, NSA, FBI and top military brass despise the Bush administration for leaving them to take the total blame over 9/11, Iraq WMD's, lack of troops and armour during the invasion. Someone within these communities, who hasn't revealed their true feelings could easily be leaking this info these press sources and Ritter.
 

Burger

Member
Cyan said:
Whereas you guys are about to sit there whining like assholes, and not doing anything.

Not doing anything about what ?? What exactly is Iran doing to my country to make us want to go and bomb it ?? (Provided we had bombs in the first place).

If Iran came out and said "Right, we are going to build some huge bombs so we can blow away those cocks in New Zealand", mabey, just mabey we would do something about THAT. But they haven't said any such thing, and they haven't said any such thing to the U.S. either.

It's funny to see a country like North Korea baring it's ass to the US and saying "Fuck you we have nuclear weapons, we love them and we love making them" yet you are not planning on invading them anytime soon are you ?

In the mean time, we will continue to send medics to the counties you invade to sew the arms back onto the bodies of the innocent civilians you blow up.
 

shuri

Banned
The delicious german-born meal with the vaguely pedo avatar is right. America HAS to stop this madness.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Burger said:
Not doing anything about what ?? What exactly is Iran doing to my country to make us want to go and bomb it ?? (Provided we had bombs in the first place).

If Iran came out and said "Right, we are going to build some huge bombs so we can blow away those cocks in New Zealand", mabey, just mabey we would do something about THAT. But they haven't said any such thing, and they haven't said any such thing to the U.S. either.

It's funny to see a country like North Korea baring it's ass to the US and saying "Fuck you we have nuclear weapons, we love them and we love making them" yet you are not planning on invading them anytime soon are you ?

In the mean time, we will continue to send medics to the counties you invade to sew the arms back onto the bodies of the innocent civilians you blow up.
I believe he meant that your country isn't going to do a damned thing to even attempt and stop the US, as in, all you can and will do is whine.
 

android

Theoretical Magician
Dan said:
I believe he meant that your country isn't going to do a damned thing to even attempt and stop the US, as in, all you can and will do is whine.
It seemed to me he was saying "Go America. Go Bush" because he was responding to the "Sure, I'm generalising, but for fucks sake, you are about to attack yet another country" comment by Burger. And if he was he couldn't be more wrong. The only reason Iran would even want Nuclear weapons right now is none other than Dubya. They only want WMD's so they can try and stop an invasion. And the only reason the Bushies want to invade is WMD's (don't say oil, don't say oil). It's the classic chicken and the egg scenario.
 

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