AHA-Lambda
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the fact you feel gratitude towards a multinational electronics corporation is just sad
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Buzzfeed: Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack
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the fact you feel gratitude towards a multinational electronics corporation is just sad
The reader apparently works with the included 3.5mm adapter, but anyone who's just now signing up to be a Square merchant should really just be putting up the $50 and getting the EMV/NFC reader instead, which connects over BT.
The new reader also supports.... Apple Pay. 😱
LostMyNarbles
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So is there any idea if they will be keeping the headphone jack for their other products or are they removing it all together? It feels like it would be weird for them to say it is outdated and unnecessary, but still include it in the iPad's and Macbooks.
Audioboxer
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"Convert" the iPhone users first, then roll out the change to the other devices next. Once you have the iPhone users on board you can do anything.
Apple holding out some caution for the 1% chance this phone deservedly bombs, but it won't.
alternatively they could just not purchase an iphone
forknknife
Banned
Can't wait for all the stories about broken adapters, broken lighting ports, earpods that end up on the washing machine, people forgetting their adapter on a trip and having to buy a new one...
And they are not even included in the package!
And they are not even included in the package!
AHA-Lambda
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holding out for the new nexus announcements now!
Audioboxer
Member
Same, but I'm crossing my fingers Google stop obsessing over putting 24" monitors in your pocket and then also doing the slimy gotcha of "if you want the smaller handset we're going to gimp it and give you a shit CPU/worse screen quality".
That's one thing Sony does right in their "compact" phones. Same internals and same screen panel. Samsung too in that they've kept the mainline Galaxy range at 5.2". I laugh that around 5" is classed as compact these days.
The original (2013) Moto X was the closest to ergonomic perfection I've experienced in a smartphone. Of note, it actually had a 4.7" display (just like the iPhone 6) but fit much more nicely in my hand.
JoeyJungle
Banned
I'd feel a lot better if they replaced it with a second lightning port. I don't mind buying new headphones (mine are falling apart), but not being able to listen to podcasts while charging is a deal breaker (I'm not getting that stupid hub). Also, it's crazy they still don't have wireless charging.
The smaller Google phone is expected to have the same internals as the big one.
Still 5" though.
Digital-Hero
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I think they're going to continue with "USB-C is for computers, Lightning is for mobile"
Huh, I guess the 6 design is just and ergonomic nightmare for me then. I figured the Moto X was smaller because it didn't give me hand cramps like my 6S does.
USB-C's video-out/HDMI spec was just released this week and won't be available in actual devices for a while yet. And even then it has caveats that won't be ironed out for at least a year. Lightning has been fully supported on devices going back to 2012 (and was, in large part, the inspiration for USB-C).
Lightning has a lot better ecosystem than USB-C as well. It might make sense to switch over at some point, but not today.
Ace Harding
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Wait holy shit I was thinking they replaced the audio jack with a lightning connector - a 2nd one. But they just have one, so you can't listen while it's plugged in without an accessory?!?!
I listen to (and watch things on) my iPhone while it's charging on a daily basis. That's fucking crazy.
I listen to (and watch things on) my iPhone while it's charging on a daily basis. That's fucking crazy.
I'm not sure I totally buy the space argument, otherwise the plus would have a jack, no?
Regardless I get what they want. And it's likely a combination of things.
But anyone laughing at "courage" - they are actually right. It's a super-ballsy move considering the backlash it's already getting and even from the rumours beforehand. It's by no means a "safe" move. Courage is just the euphemism for it.
Regardless I get what they want. And it's likely a combination of things.
But anyone laughing at "courage" - they are actually right. It's a super-ballsy move considering the backlash it's already getting and even from the rumours beforehand. It's by no means a "safe" move. Courage is just the euphemism for it.
Apple is always courageously designing for the future. They absolutely should have USB-C. You know what else has a better ecosystem than Lightning?The 3.5mm jack.
The only thing that really bugs me is that I won't be able to charge and use the port at the same time.
I'm a very heavy phone user - photo editing, pixelmator, games, Instagram, FaceTime,, GPS, ect. I go through more than a full charge a day and am always looking for power. I frequently find myself charging while using headphones or an AUX cable. It's going to kind of suck not being able to multitask while in my truck and traveling.
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Edit: have a 6s+ now. Will likely wait for 7s to buy time for more accessories to hit the market in the intervening year.
I'm a very heavy phone user - photo editing, pixelmator, games, Instagram, FaceTime,, GPS, ect. I go through more than a full charge a day and am always looking for power. I frequently find myself charging while using headphones or an AUX cable. It's going to kind of suck not being able to multitask while in my truck and traveling.
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Edit: have a 6s+ now. Will likely wait for 7s to buy time for more accessories to hit the market in the intervening year.
Dreams-Visions
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this is where I am. I might buy some BT headphones for the gym, but when I really want to listen to music, say on a cross-country flight? The adapter will be close by. There is nothing they can do to get me to stop using my wired headphones.
Perhaps when BT headphones get to the point where high-end headphones ($400+) can be charged in 10 minutes from empty and last 2 weeks. Then maybe. But probably not because who wants to have to worry about being able to buy a replacement battery for a pair of $1,000 BT headphones a decade from now? What if nobody makes one because the brand was niche? What if a small high-end company like Audeze (https://www.audeze.com/) makes a fleet of sweet cans but went out of business? Sooner or later, that technology is going to require repairs or replacements, you know?
I can always buy a new audio cable for any of my existing headphones and keep on trucking. 50 years from now, I'm sure I'd be able to do the same. BT headphones? What happens if the BT chip fails? What happens if some other special circuitry or processors fail? What happens if the battery fails? All of this added complexity and loss of longevity for...what benefit? Outside of exercise and being out and about, nobody cares about there being a cord or not. This isn't like telephones or old corded cables for TV remotes that would just get tangled up and messy. This continues to feel like a solution looking for a problem.
Is this not making any sense? Am I really tired? I feel like I'm babbling; I just don't get it.
The Real Abed
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Is Square not able to make a version with Lightning or Bluetooth? Why does credit card data of all things need to be sent over a headphone audio port? That's how people loaded computer software in the 80s. Cassette tapes full of data. Same basic concept. But why? Wouldn't the Square reader work just as well in the Lightning port?
I'm sure Square has seen this coming for months and has been working on a new model.
excelsiorlef
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You'd havev to apply to license the lightning tech. Which Apple could possibly reject on the grounds of not wanting Apple Pay competition
Square moved to a Bluetooth-connected reader (for chip/contactless payments) over a year ago.
Audioboxer
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Whatever happened to that GAFer that really hated the headphone jack? Like sincere hate?
I know they caught a ban, and considering I don't think I've seen them lately it seems permanent
Here is to you crazy ex-GAFer if you anon lurk, you seem to have won. Enjoy the lack of that demon port.
I know they caught a ban, and considering I don't think I've seen them lately it seems permanent
Here is to you crazy ex-GAFer if you anon lurk, you seem to have won. Enjoy the lack of that demon port.blame space
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i wish every port and cable was 3.5mm
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Does the phone still come with a WIRED set of ear buds itself?
SuperPac
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Yes. Wired EarPods and an adapter to use 3.5mms.
I hated that dude even more than he hated headphone ports. I sincerely hope he was a character and not a real person.Whatever happened to that GAFer that really hated the headphone jack? Like sincere hate?
I know they caught a ban, and considering I don't think I've seen them lately it seems permanent
Hierophant
Banned
corporations aren't your friends
Which just makes the whole "wireless future" effort seem so half-hearted.
Everything is wireless! Apart from the phone charger, the earbuds, the 3.5mm headphone adapter...
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Okay then why is the other person talking about the removed jack screwing them over if they don't use it anymore?
perfectchaos007
Member
No but earbuds used to come free inside the box of an iphone so....i was just hoping these new ones would.
If they don't, then I'm just going to have to muster up the #courage to skip out on the iphone 7 and possibly move onto an android phone.
The phone comes with earbuds; lightning ones.
Truly wireless ear bud headphones aren't cheap. There aren't even many on the market.
So you think they've just put a vacuum in that space now?
megarockexe
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I think others have summed it up already: selling you a solution to a problem they created. There really is no upside since you can already do what they want you to do on the previous iPhone and other phones.
rokkerkory
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Just sad
RichiRamjag
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You just insulted the bulk of the gaming side!
perfectchaos007
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Where do they plug in? the charging port?
excelsiorlef
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Pops Maellard
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lol
In 5 years when no mainstream smartphone has a dedicated headphone port, I hope people remember this "debacle" and feel dumb. It's antiquated unnecessary technology for the device it's being removed from, and the biggest criticism so far (that there's a myriad of obtuse ways to make 3.5mm devices work with the phone at the cost of access to charging and other lighting features) is merely a byproduct of people desperately trying to hold on to the past.
The lightning port has never been just for charging.
perfectchaos007
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for me it has. Even when I plug it into my PC to upload things its still charging simultaneously
Holding on to the past? When did bluetooth headphones' quality of sound ever reign supreme?
Yeah until that happens, the backlash will only get louder.
Killer Queen
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I feel like some of you people would defend apple even if they kidnapped your children and sold them to warlords.
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