Fat Frog
I advertised for Google Stadia
Yeah only a 2 billion people market lol.
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Can I be honest here...I don’t think the Xbox Series S is going to last very long into the generation.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
Native back combat with 6th and 7th gen, in native 1440p with 16x anisotropic filtering. Loads of 120fps games. Loads of 8th gen games with double the framerate. HDR for back combat games. The strongest emulation capabilities outside of PC. You like trolling in this thread, but there’s a few things that it excels at.
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Irrelevant.
Series S - digital only
Series X - digital or physical
Series X is superior.
FrankieSab
Member
It's not your decision to make? Let people think by themselves for god sake! It's only not for you that's all you can be sure of.
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Kuranghi
Member
As others said, that GPU costs more than double the XSS you wally.
Probably good you were banned because you're telling big porky pies here, you can not get 165fps at 1440p + Ultra in most titles at all.
In fact I'd say it'd be hard to get >60fps at 1440p Ultra in most games.
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Completely sold out in the US, so perhaps you can add the US to your list of emergent markets, eh?
Outrunner
Member
What?
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Honestly, I think this will be the last gen for physical, I thought it was important but I have had my series X for almost a year and it's only had one or two discs in it.
I expect that as time goes by physical will continue to drop off. I'll be interested to see the split in a year or two's time.
FrankieSab
Member
It was very clear. You cannot say that nobody outside emergent market can be interested in it.
Outrunner
Member
I can say whatever I want. And I think you misinterpretated what I said.
yurinka
Member
I think that as happens with most products and companies, its company will support it more or less depending on its performance. I assume that if they are happy with its sales and so on, they will support it for longer and if not it will have a shorter support.
We only have sales data from a few countries, not global sales. And they are distorted due to lack of chips, global pandemic and so on. So think we'd need more sales data to make a proper prediction.
We only have sales data from a few countries, not global sales. And they are distorted due to lack of chips, global pandemic and so on. So think we'd need more sales data to make a proper prediction.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
I suspect a lot of people will "settle" for the XSS and end up being quite satisfied with it. I think MS will eventually include gamepass subs for several months with the system and it will do very well as a cheap way to play modern games. It's still not easy to find, though I did see them in Costco last week. To suggest that the system will be discontinued is absurd.
If GamePass had more play anywhere games, I would get an XSS so I can play games on PC in the livingroom and XSS in the bedroom.
If GamePass had more play anywhere games, I would get an XSS so I can play games on PC in the livingroom and XSS in the bedroom.
Hezekiah
Banned
Yes they have in Europe. Been available for £249 for months.
Hezekiah
Banned
Let's not get triggered because you happen to not likeit. In Europe it's not in high demand, certainly far less than the other next-gen consoles.
Hezekiah
Banned
Casual gamers like to play CoD which alone will take up most of that low storage space. I think it's you who are mistaken if you don't think people are bothered by this. Having to waste time constantly moving stuff to a HDD is far from ideal. Having to buy an SSD that's almost the same price as the console itself is definitely far from ideal. Maybe not an issue for you, but it will be a pain for many owners.
You mentioned production costs, that's irrelevant to the point I'm making. The split should have been significantly weighted toward the Series X which is much more in demand. Instead we have Series S consoles in Europe and elsewhere sitting on shelves. That's not me, that's the wider general public. Many people simply aren't interested in it, meanwhile people can't get a sniff of a Series X. Even for you I'm surprised you're making an argument out of this.
Oh and I'm sure you'll soon start banging on about GamePass, but the PS5 Digital Edition offers far more value at just £100 more. Way more powerful GPU, more RAM, more than double the storage space. Not even close.
Microsoft made a mistake and I see it only hurting them more until/if they reverse things.
Fat Frog
I advertised for Google Stadia
As I said before, now you can mix Xcloud and Stadia on Series S to save space.
Problem solved
Heavy open world > Xbox > edge > Stadia/xcloud. (hundreds of GB saved)
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01011001
Banned
exactly.
it is an entry level console, and people seem to forget that a lot of players out there happily play Doom Eternal and Wolfenstein 2 at unstable 30fps and 480p on the Switch.
so if the Series S has to drop resolution or run at half the framerate, so be it. it's the entry level casual system. Dropping shadow and AO quality in many games often results in a 20% or more performance boost alone, so lowering resolution + settings will almost always be enough to run a game on Series S
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Fat Frog
I advertised for Google Stadia
Once again, Microsoft was smart enough to allow cloud gaming on Series S.
30 FPS games ? Then play the cloud versions from Xcloud (Series X blades to push 60 FPS) or Stadia (10 Teraflops hardware).
Dave_at_Home
Member
This is true. The value proposition is insane as an emulation box. Although, I do wonder how many people are actually taking advantage of that.
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KeepYourHeart1989
Banned
The Xbox One still receives games. That, summed up with the fact gamers are usually horrible at predicting things, makes me think we'll be all right.
Fat Frog
I advertised for Google Stadia
It's not tragic at all. Gamers are not the majority, S is more for casual like me and honestly... Mass audience played for years with Dreamcast graphics and an unplayable sex toy called wiimote.
People can survive anything now
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Fat Frog
I advertised for Google Stadia
I don't even need emulation. Series S is already sexy for OG Xbox, 360 and One library...
Utherellus
Member
Why is this even a thread.
Here is a lovely pic that shows how GPU/Ram/Bandwidth doesn't define game features/ambitions/fidelity.
You will play Fable and Avowed on Series S.
At low settings, but it's 16 thread cpu and ssd will allow those games to scale graphically without compromising game design.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Just had a look at Amazon's best sellers chart.
"The Series S is sitting on shelves, gathering dust."
"The Ps5 is on track to be the best selling console of all time *excited screaming*"
As you may have guessed, the UK branch of the world's biggest retailer* puts Series S at no.9 (down one from yesterday) and the PS5 at no.14.
Now, it's one particular day and we don't know how many consoles were sold, and I assume the PS5 is sold out again. BUT the argument surely can't be that the console which nobody wants and doesn't sell is selling better than the one which is on track to be the best selling PlayStation ever. Can it? Is Sony only sending Amazon 3 consoles at a time?
It would make a lot more sense if people would just accept that being able to meet demand is not the same as not selling.
Other things the series S is outselling:
Far Cry 6, Mario Kart, Minecraft, Animal Crossing, Deathloop, Metroid Dread
Controllers for any console on earth, Joy Cons, Xbox, Dual Sense.
Every other console, including Switch .
Despite this, the consoles are gathering dust unsold?
*I assume.
"The Series S is sitting on shelves, gathering dust."
"The Ps5 is on track to be the best selling console of all time *excited screaming*"
As you may have guessed, the UK branch of the world's biggest retailer* puts Series S at no.9 (down one from yesterday) and the PS5 at no.14.
Now, it's one particular day and we don't know how many consoles were sold, and I assume the PS5 is sold out again. BUT the argument surely can't be that the console which nobody wants and doesn't sell is selling better than the one which is on track to be the best selling PlayStation ever. Can it? Is Sony only sending Amazon 3 consoles at a time?
It would make a lot more sense if people would just accept that being able to meet demand is not the same as not selling.
Other things the series S is outselling:
Far Cry 6, Mario Kart, Minecraft, Animal Crossing, Deathloop, Metroid Dread
Controllers for any console on earth, Joy Cons, Xbox, Dual Sense.
Every other console, including Switch .
Despite this, the consoles are gathering dust unsold?
*I assume.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
The XSX costs $200 more it should be more powerful. Regardless this back and forth has significantly drifted off the topic of whether or not the XSS will be supported till the end of the generation. It will be and it continues to offer the same features as the most expensive MS system and as
Banjo64
mentioned more features than systems offered by other companies. So you are saying the XSS has enough space for CoD? Perfect! Looks like it really is a perfect device for a casual gamer. How frequently do you think a casual will be shuttling games between the internal memory and the external drive more importantly why would that causal buy the Seagate drive when that person could buy a much cheaper external drive? Remember the XSS is for the budget conscious gamer.
The production costs of the device are absolutely relevant. With the nature of the challenges getting materials for circuits MS going with the XSS allows them to continue to provide an affordable product with the materials available. The XSX is more difficult to produce and if they had all their eggs in that basket they would have fewer ways to get people into their ecosystem. With regard to European sales the Xbox was never a major seller there. That is more to do with the brand over the fact that XSS is affordable.
I completely disagree with the notion that the the PS5 is a better value. It simply has better specs. $400 gets you games plus the system with XSS. How much game playing can you do with a PS5 DE after you spent $400? You might not like Game pass but it's clearly superior to any service offered by Sony. Sony games are more expensive as well. Upgrading games you own is costly. Cloud saves cost extra! No 1440p support at all? It is more of a luxury device vs something for casuals so their targets are different. I would be doing a disservice to a casual telling them to get a PS5 over the XSS.
The RAM thing isn't something a casual gamer cares about and developers can take full advantage of the features the XSS offers to mitigate any shortcomings. It just looks like the XSS isn't the console for you. It doesn't mean it won't be supported till the end of the generation and it continues to offer things more expensive devices lack. Hard to call out the budget box when the luxury box cannot match it feature for feature. I continue to be confused why people are so focused on calling out the most affordable console but ignoring the shortcomings of the more expensive device. It's weird.
The only mistake made is by people who don't own the system making statements about things they don't know. There are plenty of people who actually have the XSS and I'd take their perspective over someone who just likes to engage in speculation. People speculated the Xbox brand would drop out of the market. 20 years later we see how their predictions fared.
Hezekiah
Banned
Yes because they're to buy CoD and that's itThe XSX costs $200 more it should be more powerful. Regardless this back and forth has significantly drifted off the topic of whether or not the XSS will be supported till the end of the generation. It will be and it continues to offer the same features as the most expensive MS system and as
So you are saying the XSS has enough space for CoD? Perfect! Looks like it really is a perfect device for a casual gamer. How frequently do you think a casual will be shuttling games between the internal memory and the external drive more importantly why would that causal buy the Seagate drive when that person could buy a much cheaper external drive? Remember the XSS is for the budget conscious gamer.
The production costs of the device are absolutely relevant. With the nature of the challenges getting materials for circuits MS going with the XSS allows them to continue to provide an affordable product with the materials available. The XSX is more difficult to produce and if they had all their eggs in that basket they would have fewer ways to get people into their ecosystem. With regard to European sales the Xbox was never a major seller there. That is more to do with the brand over the fact that XSS is affordable.
I completely disagree with the notion that the the PS5 is a better value. It simply has better specs. $400 gets you games plus the system with XSS. How much game playing can you do with a PS5 DE after you spent $400? You might not like Game pass but it's clearly superior to any service offered by Sony. Sony games are more expensive as well. Upgrading games you own is costly. Cloud saves cost extra! No 1440p support at all? It is more of a luxury device vs something for casuals so their targets are different. I would be doing a disservice to a casual telling them to get a PS5 over the XSS.
The RAM thing isn't something a casual gamer cares about and developers can take full advantage of the features the XSS offers to mitigate any shortcomings. It just looks like the XSS isn't the console for you. It doesn't mean it won't be supported till the end of the generation and it continues to offer things more expensive devices lack. Hard to call out the budget box when the luxury box cannot match it feature for feature. I continue to be confused why people are so focused on calling out the most affordable console but ignoring the shortcomings of the more expensive device. It's weird.
The only mistake made is by people who don't own the system making statements about things they don't know. There are plenty of people who actually have the XSS and I'd take their perspective over someone who just likes to engage in speculation. People speculated the Xbox brand would drop out of the market. 20 years later we see how their predictions fared.
. Are budget-conscious gamers so broke they can only afford one game? Will they be satisfied moving stuff back and forth between their limited SSD and HDD, or will this quickly become a bone of contention for many of them 
.You're talking about bringing people into the 'ecosystem' but a lot of people aren't buying the Series S anyway so how is it helping them? We've seen people say it's been easily available in Europe, the Middle East and parts of Asia. If Microsoft didn't have two separate chip designs in production they could probably sell a lot more Series X consoles. And Xbox was big in Europe in the 360 era, especially the UK. That's your ignorance of our market talking. But now it's just clear that there's a lack of interest in the Series S - despite GamePass being teh best thing ever!
Also you're not even evaluating just the hardware now, you're bringing a bunch of other factors in and trying to use it to justify the Series S, because the hardware itself is lacking. 1440p support? GTFOH with that bullshit. Cloud saves, who cares really. Just highlights how weak your argument is. For £350 the Digital Edition is easily the best value next-gen machine. I can also make a laundry list of things such as the PS5 having access to better first-party games, a better controller, and the fact that more people have one for game sharing etc - to go alongside the much better GPU, RAM and available storage space. Being cheap isn't everything as the current situation here and elsewhere shows - people will avoid what they consider to be a gimped machine if they see better alternatives.
And the Xbox brand isn't being dropped (not sure why you're so sensitive about people predicting that on public forums), though I can see the Series S being left behind in a mid-gen refresh when Microsoft is forced to admit it's no longer fit for purpose.
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bbeach123
Member
We have 3 stage of console game . First stage is where game are cross gen of last gen and current gen (AC black flag/ DA Inquisition) , second stage is game on current gen ( AC odyssey/ witcher 3 ) , and third stage is game are cross gen of current gen and next gen .
We are at the third stage of ps4/xbox one and first stage of ps5/series X . Imo the series S could easily do stage 1 ,barely do stage 2 and get fcked in the ass at stage 3 .
We are at the third stage of ps4/xbox one and first stage of ps5/series X . Imo the series S could easily do stage 1 ,barely do stage 2 and get fcked in the ass at stage 3 .
maybe, but Microsoft can drop cross-gen sooner after Series X|S and rely on cloud streaming to support previous gens rather than having drawn out transition periods. If the tech matures enough to Stadia levels (or beyond) then it can totally be a viable strategy.
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We've determined this is a lie, but thanks for trying.The XSX costs $200 more it should be more powerful. Regardless this back and forth has significantly drifted off the topic of whether or not the XSS will be supported till the end of the generation. It will be and it continues to offer the same features as the most expensive MS system and as
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Casual gamers tend to stick to franchises they like. They are the least likely to have hundreds of games stored on their devices. You seem to be projecting your own personal thoughts on casuals and that would explain why you aren't making any sense. The storage on the XSS is a non issue and there are inexpensive ways to get more space outside of the Seagate drive surprised you did not know that.Yes because they're to buy CoD and that's it
You're talking about bringing people into the 'ecosystem' but a lot of people aren't buying the Series S anyway so how is it helping them? We've seen people say it's been easily available in Europe, the Middle East and parts of Asia. If Microsoft didn't have two separate chip designs in production they could probably sell a lot more Series X consoles. And Xbox was big in Europe in the 360 era, especially the UK. That's your ignorance of our market talking. But now it's just clear that there's a lack of interest in the Series S - despite GamePass being teh best thing ever!
Also you're not even evaluating just the hardware now, you're bringing a bunch of other factors in and trying to use it to justify the Series S, because the hardware itself is lacking. 1440p support? GTFOH with that bullshit. Cloud saves, who cares really. Just highlights how weak your argument is. For £350 the Digital Edition is easily the best value next-gen machine. I can also make a laundry list of things such as the PS5 having access to better first-party games, a better controller, and the fact that more people have one for game sharing etc - to go alongside the much better GPU, RAM and available storage space. Being cheap isn't everything as the current situation here and elsewhere shows - people will avoid what they consider to be a gimped machine if they see better alternatives.
And the Xbox brand isn't being dropped (not sure why you're so sensitive about people predicting that on public forums), though I can see the Series S being left behind in a mid-gen refresh when Microsoft is forced to admit it's no longer fit for purpose.
The two SOC decision is the reason MS has product to sell in Europe and elsewhere. Just because you want a high end device doesn't mean everyone does. The main market MS should be focusing on is their home territory. In the US the XSS sells quite well. The US market is also bigger than the any market in Europe so I'd say MS has the correct priorities. As they aquire more of the XSX SOC there is nothing stopping them from sending extra units to Europe. Might as well grow your base in markets that give your product support. They learned the folly of pursuing the Japanese market as well. Interestingly enough the XSS is doing better there than other Xboxes historically. Glad they didn't follow your advice.
Damn right I'm not talking about the XSS hardware, because the XSS isn't being sold based on hardware specs. It's being sold as an affordable current generation gaming device. That includes Game pass and all the other features it has others don't. It provides far more value for your dollar than the same budget on the PS5. Don't get mad at me or MS because Sony isn't doing the same thing. Perhaps instead of being upset about a console you don't own why not focus your ire on the system that costs more yet lacks features the value box has? It makes no sense. The 'gimped' machine has more features and is a better value.
I'm not sensitive about anything but people failing to understand what the XSS is and who it is for. It was never sold as a high end gaming device, it was never marketed around its specs. People imposing false expectations on the system come across as disingenuous. It has the same feature set as the XSX for $200 less. That alone makes it worth the cost. There is no evidence whatsoever that it won't receive support this entire generation especially when the X1, a much weaker device, still get games 8 years later. You have the same thing in common as the people predicting MS' exit from console gaming. You were both wrong.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Please tell me the features the XSS lacks the XSX has minus the blu-ray drive, something MS never said it had. Give me the list of these 'lies' sir.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
I think people should consider looking at it this way, moving the rank up or down a bit, assuming you remove gamepass:
Super duper amazing value - dollar to dollar for raw power on the ground: PS5 digital (if you can find one)
Super amazing value dollar to dollar for raw power on the ground: PS5 and XSX
Amazing value dollar to dollar for raw power to the ground: XSS
This is a thing that many people miss when it comes to XSS, it's OK to say the PS5, XSX, etc may be a better buy for some gamers, while simultaneously saying the XSS still has value to other buyers. This is especially true compared to the cost of pc hardware at this time.
Just like a Samsung S20+ might be a better buy for one person, the s10+ for a couple of hundred less might be a perfect choice for another. Both are still excellent, even though one is clearly more powerful.
Super duper amazing value - dollar to dollar for raw power on the ground: PS5 digital (if you can find one)
Super amazing value dollar to dollar for raw power on the ground: PS5 and XSX
Amazing value dollar to dollar for raw power to the ground: XSS
This is a thing that many people miss when it comes to XSS, it's OK to say the PS5, XSX, etc may be a better buy for some gamers, while simultaneously saying the XSS still has value to other buyers. This is especially true compared to the cost of pc hardware at this time.
Just like a Samsung S20+ might be a better buy for one person, the s10+ for a couple of hundred less might be a perfect choice for another. Both are still excellent, even though one is clearly more powerful.
Pilgrimzero
Member
Love mine. $300 to play next gen (and some backwards comp) games. Does all I need it to do just fine.
SkylineRKR
Member
PS5 DE is a better deal if you look at specs versus price. Since it has no compromises other than the lack of disc player.
But what PS5 doesn't have is something like GP. I use both XSS and PS5 about equal. But if I didn't have an XSS I would have to purchase Hades, Doom Eternal, Celeste, Art of Rally etc all on PS5. So PS5 is more expensive in the end, I need to purchase most games for it while I barely buy games for the XSS. You need to buy if you don't want GP, but in truth its about the same price as PS Plus or Gold if you know what to do so why shouldn't you? Unless you plan to not play games online.
In the end its a good deal for 299, which is about the same price as a fucking base PS4. You do get 120hz experiences on it, along with super fast load times and quick resume. Basically bonafide next-gen features.
But what PS5 doesn't have is something like GP. I use both XSS and PS5 about equal. But if I didn't have an XSS I would have to purchase Hades, Doom Eternal, Celeste, Art of Rally etc all on PS5. So PS5 is more expensive in the end, I need to purchase most games for it while I barely buy games for the XSS. You need to buy if you don't want GP, but in truth its about the same price as PS Plus or Gold if you know what to do so why shouldn't you? Unless you plan to not play games online.
In the end its a good deal for 299, which is about the same price as a fucking base PS4. You do get 120hz experiences on it, along with super fast load times and quick resume. Basically bonafide next-gen features.
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Duchess
Member
The PS5 is literally selling as fast an Sony can make them; they've shipped over 10 million and sold over 10 million. They can't keep the things on the shelves.
Each time Amazon has a drop, the PS5 (both versions) occupy the #1 and #2 slots in the chart for the day, then begin to slip back down the charts as people are unable to buy them. Now, picture how that'll look once available increases. Argos, Game, PC World all experience insane demand when they have the things in stock.
The truth is that the PS5 remains one of my most sought after consumer devices in the world right now, and will do so for some time to come.
(also, Amazon tends to sell 1,000s of PS5 in one go, not just a handful)
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Yes because they're to buy CoD and that's it
The way you speak suggests that the Series S has only enough room for a single Call of Duty (which, is of course a game which made headlines because of it's giant install size). That's not how it is at all. It's quite a disingenuous argument to be making.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
My argument is that the Series S is selling. Some people around here are saying that Series S is gathering dust on retailer shelves because nobody wants it.
The reality is that it's consistently one of the top ten selling products in the Video Game section on Amazon. People refuse to accept that because it's not sold out, for some reason.
Armorian
Banned
Yep, it will last the whole gen and will limit developers ambitions by it's shit RAM amount.
Last gen devs had ~5GB, they have 7GB or 8GB on Series S and have to cram full games into this shit, barely more than they had since 2013 and all they can adjust is texture size and resolution framebuffer:
Xbox Series X Being Held Back By Series S Memory Limit For Some Devs
Xbox Series S's memory complicates development.
screenrant.com
MS fucked gamers in the ass.
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Md Ray
Member
My point exactly.
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Yep, it will last the whole gen and will limit developers ambitions by it's shit RAM amount.
Last gen devs had ~5GB, they have 7GB or 8GB on Series S and have to cram full games into this shit, barely more than they had since 2013 and all they can adjust is texture size and resolution framebuffer:
Xbox Series X Being Held Back By Series S Memory Limit For Some Devs
Xbox Series S's memory complicates development.
MS fucked gamers in the ass.
Nope and nope, makes zero difference as they were making every game for pc anyhow.
Md Ray
Member
He's right. Series S has the least amount of RAM of any current-gen device.
A typical gaming PC today has 16GB of system RAM alone + 4-8GB or more VRAM depending on what GPU you have. Heck, even Steam Deck comes with 16GB. There's a reason Id Software engine programmers and many other devs raised concerns about its limited memory.
Hitchyhero
Banned
Many people in this forum have been wanting this console to fail since the start and they use the most ridiculous reasons.
It doesn't run 4k games at 60fps as its not meant to.
What would be the point in stopping production as games will still have to support it.
Switch is the most successful console of all 3 and it can't even run zelda at 1080p 30fps
I have both the Series S and X and both are great.
It doesn't run 4k games at 60fps as its not meant to.
What would be the point in stopping production as games will still have to support it.
Switch is the most successful console of all 3 and it can't even run zelda at 1080p 30fps
I have both the Series S and X and both are great.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
It doesn't matter what a top level or s mid level pc is, it's the minimum spec that matters. It means the game has to be designed to run with 8gb of ram and weak video card, far weaker than what's in series S.
Take halo infinite:
- Processor: AMD FX-8370 or Intel i5-4440.
- Memory: 8 GB RAM.
- Graphics: AMD RX 570 or Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti.
Series S had literally zero impact on halo infinite's development. Same goes for forza 5. These are the two biggest games coming out for xbox this year.
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Huggers
Member
Agreed. I have a series X. I put a disc in it and was immediately appalled that my silent console was making a little noise as the drive kicked in.
I managed to grab the X after the S within the space of a couple of weeks. I loved the S. The quality of life improvements shouldn't be underestimated but those aside it feels a bit Xbox One.5.