I'm sure Anthony Weiner would agree with this. It's not like his career is in the toilet over something similar.
Can we talk about the apparent iCloud break-in?
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I'm sure Anthony Weiner would agree with this. It's not like his career is in the toilet over something similar.
Dark Ninja
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So i need to see a contract for every naked picture I see on the web. Shut down the internet guyz
Uno Venova
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People have said they have a right...a legal right, to see leaked pictures of celebrities?
Winterfang
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I was just chilling on GAF where multiple threads pop out and a list that included Avril Lavigne and Mckayla (two celebrities that I'm very attractive), I went to take a look to the places GAF said and found out an explosion of Jennifer Lawrence and bunch of girls I don't know who they are. I can both have empathy to their situation and being curious enough to watch the pictures.
I would assume the board doesn't allow rampant nudes spreading. Unless you loaded up an NFL page and it was full of nudes right in front of you, you have no excuse for looking. I had a hot neighbor once. I was curious how she looked naked. That curiosity never drove me to try and disrespect her privacy.
Officerrob
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Who the hell said I needed an excuse for looking? The point was that stuff spread everywhere
JohnnyLovesYou
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Cool. Glad we haven't sunk as low as making offensive blanked statements about entire sexes.
I'm entitled to celebrity nudes, apparently.
The majority of the leaks involve women, so of course men would be the ones most likely to view them. This isn't an issue about sex or gender. If the tables had been turned women across the country would be doing the same disgusting thing "WE" apparently are.
faceless007
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Think about this for, like, a few seconds. If we did this, no one could ever be held responsible for anything immoral. Murderers and rapists act according to their own moral compass too.
We can't let people be their own moral compass when we have people out there who think it's okay to harass and be cruel to teenage girls, or believe that one race is better than the other, or that it's okay to have prejudices.
If everyone lived by their own morals, I'm sure the world would implode because people would come up with the most heinous shit.
Yes, yes it is. Your argument sucks, btw.
Who hates the people who seen them? I don't, but I do feel disgusted by anyone who purposely sought them out after learning they were leaked without consent.
Well as long as you were curious, disrespecting their privacy and adding to their public humiliation isn't so bad.....
Just make sure you look as in you are in deep philosophical thought as you stare at all of their private photos.
I dont think you understand what morals and ethics actually are if you think that this is a question of "one subjective moral compass vs another". If I tell you that you are hurting me by seeking out nude pictures of me that i didn't agree to be stolen and made public, would you seriously say "my moral compass is different than yours so it's okay for me to seek them out regardless of your feelings and wellbeing"
notworksafe
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Sounds like slut shaming to me
Officerrob
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Nicely done
bodyofanamerican
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No shit? He alluded to the existence of this shit?
You want to see them naked and you don't give a shit how it impacts then, we get it.
JohnnyLovesYou
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Please. I'm obviously not referring to issues that relate to objectively illegal actions such as rape and murder. Of course certain things are objectively wrong and those things are generally tackled by the law. This issue (the viewing of these nudes) is not such a moral issue.
Regarding viewing these images:
Is it morally wrong? I think so. That's according to my standards of conduct.
Is it an objective wrong? No.
In my mind, the only wrongdoings that are objectively so are those where judicial punishment may be enacted upon transgression. While my heart goes out to someone who is a victim of such a wrong doing, and I certainly pity anyone so cruel and view and share these images, I cannot personally say what they are doing is objectively wrong, no.
The person who hacked icloud is of course objectively in the wrong. He has committed a crime- Clear and obvious wrong.
People who view it though? Do I not approve? Of course I don't approve.
Is it a clear and objective wrongdoing? I wouldn't say so.
How about you dont seek out private nude pictures that you know have not been agreed to being released? How about you respect the person by not seeking them out?
Who's taking about legal stuff? A right is not necessarily legally justified - i.e. Moral rights etc.
I don't have any important docs on gmail or the cloud, my smartphone is not even connected to the internet for the most part as i do not have a data plan. Cloud is not a necessity. We've stored plenty of important information with the absence of cloud as it is pretty new, so why do we need to use it now? The only thing stored on my cloud and dropbox is school papers/projects that's pretty much it.
Unfortunately, and this is one of the reasons why i'm not too big of a fan of always being interconnected via smart devices.
Officerrob
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Why are you now glossing over the fact that I pointed out that this stuff spread far further than the narrow little segment of the net like you suggested?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It's about sex and gender because the targeted people were hot straight women.
If this doesn't apply to you, you have no reason to be offended.
But let's continue to pretend we don't live in a sexist society.
It's never right. Never.
But let's really not pretend like these incidents are rare for women, because they are not.
It was. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.
Although, his situation is more easily relatable to Zoe Quinn than this.
Winterfang
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I enjoyed them also, I'm not going to pretend otherwise. That doesn't mean I don't feel bad for the celebrities, those pictures where never supposed to see the light of day, some are really old, some where even deleted. And now, me a random person who will never on his life cross paths with Jennifer Lawrence saw some private pictures of her that were never meant for me to see. But I did.
faceless007
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You don't know what objective morality is and are hiding behind a nonsensical, ad hoc distinction. Either it's wrong to download private material that is not in the public interest and was not meant for you or it isn't.
Protip: It is.
Uno Venova
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Did anyone actually say they have a right, moral, legal..any right to see leaked photos? Because you said there was a sudden shift from people.
malingenie
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Tbh, none of that was going through my head when I saw the pics today. I think my brain edited out the non-consensual piece and treated it like regular fappable material. I understand your point of view, though. It's interesting to see the mental gymnastics my brain did.
Dark Ninja
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I didn't need to seek them out, I saw them on Twitter and Tumblr. When I loaded those sites they were all there after that i just continued to scroll down. They look just like any other naked pictures on the internet its not like they are specially marked.
Obviously, a non-consensual leak of a nude picture of a celebrity is equivalent to the non-consensual leak of a political statement relevant to his function as a politician and future as a president.
I seriously can't believe you're comparing the two. Just because you still fail to respect and recognize the intimate privacy of another human being.
Did you or did you not take on the act of searching up any of these photos?
The large majority of things posted about celebs on magazines, newspapers, online reports etc... is done without their consent. Celebrity status is the one thing that puts your privacy in jeopardy, likely more than anything else in this world.
Some of you guys may have a point, albeit it's not as strong as if it would've happened to your average John or Jane. In your lifetime, your point of view will likely be in the minority. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying it's the current reality.
Some of you guys may have a point, albeit it's not as strong as if it would've happened to your average John or Jane. In your lifetime, your point of view will likely be in the minority. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying it's the current reality.
JohnnyLovesYou
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Sorry, man. I don't agree with you and many others here. Morality is subjective. My personal standards of conduct tell me viewing these images is wrong. I do not personally think that everyone who views them though is necessarily in the wrong. They act as their own moral compass, as do I.
Its not a lack of understandings of what morals are. Its just a personal viewpoint on the nature of morality.
GremlinFool
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Can we try to not carry out personal crusades against other members of GAF, please? No quicker way of shitting up a reasonably amicable discussion otherwise.
Let's not...we are in a genderless dystopia after all...hackers could be lesbians as well a a transgender, but no let's assume the blame on the nerdy virgin neck bearded white guy.
Sorry if some of us looked at celebs who are pushed in our faces at every turn, I hardly watch TV and I still know who the bulk of these victims are...even if to not get off on them curiosity is human nature.
They are in our faces, they lost privacy as a trade off for fame, it sucks but it is what it is...Upside to all this is if one of them is truly damaged by all this they can certainly afford professional help, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case....the tweets from these ladies actually seem to convey that they are quite fine after all this.
But time will tell..I suppose.
Officerrob
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Here's the thing, I actually didn't. Saw the first couple on that site and a few others came across twitter. Guess what though, if I did, I'd have no problem admitting it and wouldn't give a shit what you thought about it
Okay you guys, can we be fair here? Some people didn't seek out these pictures. I don't think they need to be given the same treatment as the people who did.
I've been avoiding Twitter (and luckily my Tumblr is nothing but Resident Evil, Koei games and Black people stuff XD) because of what I've been hearing so I think I've been lucky. I don't think everyone is entirely at fault, but the people who have gone looking (especially with the knowledge these were technically stolen and released) are a whole different ball park.
I've been avoiding Twitter (and luckily my Tumblr is nothing but Resident Evil, Koei games and Black people stuff XD) because of what I've been hearing so I think I've been lucky. I don't think everyone is entirely at fault, but the people who have gone looking (especially with the knowledge these were technically stolen and released) are a whole different ball park.
Why? The celebrities didn't give consent for those pictures. How do you reconcile that with your it's not okay to look at pictures distributed without consent view?
BTW, if all you say in reply to a post is "Yes", please don't bother making a post. Why reply at all?
I don't believe that you feel bad about it at all.
Are you our resident prosecutor now?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Yeah, let's not look at those as any evidence. No one's going to make themselves look bad in response if they can help it.
Then you didn't actively seek them out and you are not the target of the criticism that calls out the people who think it's fair game to actively find and look at non-consensual public nude pictures.
I simply asked him to specify what he did. I'm not holding an inquisition here. If he did not, then I don't want to think he did.
Do you actually have a problem with me asking that question or did you just want to make a joke?
As stated above, in the large majority of cases celebrities never consent to the release of their pictures. It's part of their life.
If anything, the whole "let's follow so and so and see what he/she does every day!" aspect of our celebrity culture is what needs to change.
Both are high level celebrities. Once you reach that status, you give up certain rights to privacy. You're entire life is under a microscope at that stage.
And your personal viewpoint on the nature of morality is severely flawed, invalid and self-contradictory. The implication of your viewpoint is moral relativism, which is laughable in most if not all philosophical contexts, especially academia.
Read up on the concept and why it doesn't work to say that all "moral compasses" are equally valid.
jim-jam bongs
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Not to contradict your rebuttal, because it's on point from an objective perspective imo; but you are allowed to feel that moral transgressions are wrong as long as you are happy to acknowledge that doing so is a subjective assessment. Obviously you comprehend the nature of morality, but I would question if you understand its application.
JohnnyLovesYou
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Except that isn't all what you were saying just a god damn minute ago.
>That would be a valid question for half of the photos I've seen.
>Why have you seen the photos?
>Why not?
>If you seriously have no idea why it is wrong to click on non-consensual nude photos of people:
You're clearly, clearly assuming the person here has committed some form of transgression just for having seen these photos, assuming he's clicked on them (assuming he's sought them out).
That's all kinds of messed up to me and its frankly infuriating.
Winterfang
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You are allow to believe what you want, I guess.
If they add drama to the mix, they will just bring more attention to their pics. People love celebrity drama, reminds me of when Paul Walker died and people keep sharing Tyrese breakdown everywhere.
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