I'm not a canadian yet. I still have to wait a few months
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Canadian businessman and reality TV star Kevin O'Leary is running for the leadership
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Great! The you'll get to vote in the next election!
KernelPanic
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Michael Chong is the only sane CPC running for leadership.
Netherscourge
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Another Trump, eh?
Arlene Dickinson has frank words with regards to Kevin on CBC news. Pretty telling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtWX7ZYl-pQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtWX7ZYl-pQ
matthewwhatever
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Different levels of government. And thinking that the big issue today will be the big issue three years from now, one year after the provincial election, is misguided at best.
Headlines don't mean she's in the lead. She's second in fundraising, but she's way behind in terms of endorsements. It's hard to imagine she has any people supporting her as their second/third/fourth choice, which is what matters in a preferential ballot system.
O'Leary basically has all her baggage (with the added bonus of a decade-plus of saying stupid things on TV), but none of the money or organization, and everyone else in the field has had a huge head start on him. There's zero reason to believe he has the talent to make up the difference between now and May, and as others have noted, he's writing off a quarter of the country with his inability to speak French. And trying to label Trudeau as #SurferDude comes off less like Crooked Hillary, and more like "Hello, fellow young people."
Yup. I'll already have to vote in 2017 to stop Marine Le Pen from ruining my country even though I despise every other candidate. I just hope I won't have to vote in 2019 to stop leitch/O'leary from ruining my second home.
Well welcome to the country!
All the best in France, i really miss it since my last visit 2 years ago.
The #surferdude isn't even bad. oh so he knows how to have fun and you can't point to anything that hes done for the country the whole time hes been in power that is terrible? or the horribleness of the man. Trudeau has that great hair, O'Leary just can't compete
Thank you ! <3
For those wondering Trudeau's approval rating. Here's a more up to date and interactive chart.
http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/leadermeter/
It's pretty high considering he's been in office 1.5 years.
http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/leadermeter/
It's pretty high considering he's been in office 1.5 years.
killer rin
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No worries, we've got a couple years to watch these test cases unfold before our next election.
Buba Big Guns
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Damn...well said on all accounts.
Cant believe the diarrhea that comes out of his mouth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U79DoiC49r0
CaviarMeths
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It is different though. Trump and Brexit were voted for by the low information masses. That's not how party leadership elections work in Canada.
hydragonwarrior
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We still ended up with Harper though lol
BlackLagoon
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You need to light a fire under Trudeau's ass and get him to ditch first past the post voting in favor of proportional representation.
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Septimus Prime
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"Oh man, those crazy Brits Yanks sure fucked up! Good thing it can't happen here."
While stupid things can happen here (see harper, see ford), this one is just beyond stupid. If (and hopefully when) we reject this idiot, I hope the US and UK look back and realize not every western country is as bad
Two concerns with this:
1) When I read the fine-print on membership and voting, it seemed we are past the point of becoming a vetted member in good standing for the x amount of months required to get a vote in the leadership election.
2) There was an article recently that a sweep of social media was in progress aimed at compiling a list of the real names of people potentially joining the party without the intention of staying, only to swing the vote. Apparently, we're seeing active bait posts on Twitter, Facebook, et al. by conservative figures recently, and a knee-jerk dissenting reply is enough to get the responder's account noticed (and real-name checked-for). Names on the list would be cross-referenced with the list of new CPC members. From there, it's no trouble for one's leadership vote to be rendered null, or membership cancelled, if challenged. That's part of why the party asks applicants to declare all their social media accounts—to allow other party members to scrutinize the validity of their intentions.
EDIT: Found the article,
EDIT 2: To be clear, it's not necessarily a wide-scale effort from within the party proper, and it may not actually be realistic or feasible for Kouvalis and company to challenge thousands of memberships at once. Going public about his "strategy" is probably as much of a scare tactic as anything, to minimize the number of Canadians joining the party hoping to vote moderate.
If only England had a Westminster system... oh, wait.
When we start putting the position of Prime Minister to a referendum, I'll start worrying. Harper for all of his faults, is a million times better than either O'leary or Trump.
XOMTOR
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Yup! It also doesn't help the federal and provincial liberals are going full-bore on the environmental angle at a time when our economy is a dumpster fire. Forcing a carbon tax on the provinces isn't going to go over well.
Trudeau and his team need to start making the economy and jobs their number one priority asap or else. Never ignore the middle/working class.
Trump is on a whole other level than O'Leary and Harper.
I'd place Harper around the same level as O'Leary, just in a different way. He was a cold, calculating control freak, who got his cabinet puppets to do his song and dance for him. He didn't have to answer questions that way, and the cabinet members could take the flak for him. Don't forget how he muzzled scientists, made the census optional to dry up the well of facts, and ended media availability.
matthewwhatever
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To your first point: no, the membership deadline hasn't passed. According to the CPC website, people can join up to March 28th.
And to your second, Nick Kouvalis is a troll, an idiot, and Kellie Leitch's campaign manager (not that those three things are mutually exclusive). Just because they challenge someone's membership, it doesn't mean the CPC has to go along with it. I doubt the Party would be willing to refund tens of thousands of dollars in membership fees, or that the other dozen members would just let him wipe away all the members they'd signed up.
Quebec and Ontario will soon sign a deal to exchange energy, which could help that problem.
The guy has zero canadian values.
Hope he tanks in Quebec.
Ether_Snake
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Recipe to defeat Trudeau:
1- Undermine the importance of foreign policy, always pivot to domestic issues.
2- Say taxes are too high
3- Say you'll unleash small businesses and self-employed people' potential.
4- Say people need to be able to have a choice when it comes to healthcare and which schools they send their kids to.
5- Attack Trudeau's "elitism", being out of touch with the people, which can be done through point 1; every time Trudeau goes abroad or meets with foreign leaders, say it's elitism.
Done, Canadians will fall for all of that stupid crap easily.
1- Undermine the importance of foreign policy, always pivot to domestic issues.
2- Say taxes are too high
3- Say you'll unleash small businesses and self-employed people' potential.
4- Say people need to be able to have a choice when it comes to healthcare and which schools they send their kids to.
5- Attack Trudeau's "elitism", being out of touch with the people, which can be done through point 1; every time Trudeau goes abroad or meets with foreign leaders, say it's elitism.
Done, Canadians will fall for all of that stupid crap easily.
AuthenticM
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Didn't he inflate his company's stock value before selling it?
Buba Big Guns
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He'll just use Trump's go to "it was smart, I know the system better than anyone else"
PalaceBrother
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While everyone is focused on O'Leary one of Harper's friends is currently crushing his opponents currently in a provincial leadership race for a conservative party on a platform to
unite that political with the Wild rose party of Alberta which will destroy that political party in the process.That guy is a bigger threat in Alberta politics then O'Leary is at the moment in federal politics.
unite that political with the Wild rose party of Alberta which will destroy that political party in the process.That guy is a bigger threat in Alberta politics then O'Leary is at the moment in federal politics.
crazy monkey
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Sadly this is all too true.
excelsiorlef
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5 might actually be hard. Trudeau is the guy who goes to Tragically Hip concerts in jeans and a Hip tee even as Prime Minister. He's the guy he pops out of a cave to the surprise of Canadian hikers.
He's down to earth... that's why O'Leary went surfer dude route...
nature boy
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Is this going to be urban vs rural battle?
O'Leary is already taking advantage of the media.
O'Leary is already taking advantage of the media.
Has anyone seen/hear the interview between o'leary and power and politics?
https://youtu.be/bw-zp--4ew0
You might have to sit down for this.
https://youtu.be/bw-zp--4ew0
You might have to sit down for this.
A Link to the Past
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O'Leary can't speak French very well, right? Isn't that a huge barrier for entry?
yes. Quebec can't be ignored.
They are all connected. Just over two years from now, and the fact you think it won't be a big deal shows how little you know about it. This hydro fuckery is about a decade in the works, and will probably take another decade to fix. I'm not saying Hydro alone will decide the election, but I highly doubt it's going to go away before the next election. I can guarantee Wynne will not win the 2018 provincials, and you can be sure that will impact the 2019 federal.
matthewwhatever
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1) Canadians generally don't care about foreign policy anyway beyond maybe our relationship with the United States, so this is irrelevant.
2) Maybe effective, but then the Liberals get to trot out their Middle Class Tax Cut line -- it was a huge plank in their platform in 2015, and I'm sure they'd welcome the chance to bring it up again.
3) Sounds like standard political boilerplate, so I doubt it'd be that effective.
4) Healthcare and education are both run by the provinces, so not only would the person saying this sound like they knew nothing about Canadian politics, they'd end up fighting with all the premiers afterwards, too. Plus basically promising to privatize health care? That'd be political suicide.
5) Might be kind of effective, though showing pictures of Trudeau with other world leaders could just as easily backfire, and remind voters that their PM, unlike his Conservative predecessor, is actually respected (or even noticed) by other countries' leaders.
I'm not saying Trudeau is invincible in the next election, but I am saying that if the CPC want to do it -- and especially if Kevin O'Leary wants to do it -- they'll have to try a lot harder than what you're suggesting.
And as I said, the fact you think that you can predict the outcome of the Ontario election two years out or that the Ontario election will be predictive of the next year's federal election shows how little you know about politics. When the last federal election campaign started, the Liberals were in a distant third, while NDPers were measuring the drapes for 24 Sussex. Or look at Alberta in 2015: when that election was called, anyone who didn't think the PCs were going to win again would've predicted a Wild Rose victory. A lot can change over the course of a few weeks, to say nothing of a few years.
As for conflating federal and provincial elections, just because you can't separate the two out doesn't mean you represent the rest of the province. Just look at 2011: the Harper Conservatives won 44% of the vote and 73 seats in May of that year. Five months later, with the exact same riding boundaries, McGuinty and the Liberals won 42% and 71 seats. That's no historical fluke, either. In the '90s: Liberals won every single seat but one federallyin Ontario in 1993, then the PCs under Harris won 82 seats in their provincial majority in 1995, then the Liberals won all but two seats in the 1997 federal election. Or look at the 40 years the Tories were in power, from the 1940s through the 1980s, which coincided with the Liberals being in power federally for all but about six years of that time -- which ended with a PC landslide in 1984, followed by the Tories finally losing in Ontario the very next year. Or hey, just look at opinion polls today, which show that, unlike you, most Ontarians have no trouble simultaneously liking Trudeau and disliking Wynne. If you've got some proof of what you're saying, let's hear it, because otherwise it sounds like you're saying something with no basis whatsoever in reality.
NYR
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The similarities are fairly obvious.
- Rich billionaire
- Naraccsist
- Reality TV Star
- Says outrageous things
- Conservative
- Zero political history
If Wynne loses the next election, then it just increases Trudeau's chances in his next one. Ontario tends to vote for the opposing party in provincial and federal elections as a way to keep both levels in check.
Maybe, maybe not. We don't currently have opposing parties, so anything is possible.
The dude was a high school public school teacher. No one can being up elitism, specially when the one bringing it up is a billionaire
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