Canadian man loses appeal of $27 million lotto ticket due to 7 second delay
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Thats why the cutoff point should be an hour before the actual draw, just like it is with the National Lottery here in the UK. Cannot buy any more for that particular lottery until after the results are in. Fucking foolproof.
hmm, i missed that part. This changes everything...
I mean, if he knew it was for next week and he was told, why would he fight the system and spend so much money.
And the lottery group agreed that it was registered at 8:59:47:. Issue is that it was printed out at 9:00:07
Im even more confused now.
out0v0rder
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but if it takes over an hour for a ticket to print then this same issue would happen.
then again if it takes over an hour for your tickets to print then you have bigger issues.
just reflect the purchase date on the ticket instead of the print date and arbitrary cutoffs wouldnt matter. the tickets could take as long as they want to print.
Due to the way the National Lottery machine works here, that would never happen. it either works or it doesn't. End of.
Speaking as someone who dealt with the bloody thing for two years, the OP situation would never happen on a system like the National Lottery that has actual safeguards in place.
Having people able to buy tickets from the cutoff point onwards and have them just rollover to the next date seems goddamn irresponsible. There needs to be a period like there is here in the UK where no purchases can be made for a half hour minimum after the cutoff point to ensure this kind of situation doesnt happen.
Also, with the National Lottery the timestamp always reflects the time the ticket is processed, not when it is printed in order to account for any unexpected delays or issues with the paper roll, etc.
LOL, if this is true then it's pretty hard to accept his plea.
The dream, man. The chance. It's what we'd all do that close to $27 million. The full pursuit of it would become our life's purpose.
What a horrible situation to be in. It's torturous.
What draw date does the ticket have ?
I am pretty sure the relevant draw date is clearly printed on the tickets in Quebec.
Shining Sunshine
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"It's not about the money"
YEAH SURE DUDE!
YEAH SURE DUDE!
The Elite
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He went in at the last minute and one ticket went past the date. The most he may be eligible for is a refund. Otherwise the system is automated and there is not much the store clerk could have done. They can't override the system.
Read the OP. The ticket actually states the next week's draw.
WesternHeretic
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Do the right thing Canada!
The draw date was for the following week, as printed on the ticket.
I've read that the numbers would have been different had he made the cut-off, too, but I have no way of confirming this. Either way, he admits he knew it was for a different draw and accepted the ticket anyway; he is entitled to zilch.
Flying Toaster
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Bam... this right here. I am still looking at the articles but if he knew it was for a different draw then he has no rights to any monies from the lottery he was trying to collect on.
gutter_trash
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if this is the case, then nah, no money
out0v0rder
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yeah i know that, im just thinking in extremes, i know in the US you can buy a shitload of tickets at once, you just gotta stand there while they all print out.
so if you buy 6,000 tickets 1 hour before the cutoff, and assuming it takes 1 second per ticket to print...at around ticket 3,601 you are going to be fucked if they go by the print date. just put the purchase date on the ticket and you don't have to worry about this stuff.
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h i didnt know the National lottery shows the purchase date instead of print date. yup its foolproof.exactly, the court even recognized this fact. such bullshit.
It should matter what time they took your money, not when they actually deliver your product.
Yup.
Unfortunately that's just what it is.
I thought the draw date was that of the correct day but they argued about time not give him the money.
But the ticket clearly was for a different day.He should acknowledge these rules as a regular player.
CadetMahoney
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If the time it takes to print the ticket is taken into account then the deadline for the ticket purchasing cut-off has no weight in those extreme circumstances. There's an inherent time delay in the mechanical process of printing a ticket, and this Canadian chap was just particularly unfortunate, having purchased the ticket within the specified time.
In Quebec, they allow you buy tickets for future draws in advance. (up to a month in advance,I think)
So they could just consider it as one.
The Elite
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Just like the metric system, UK does things better.
Canada has metric.
We also have bagged milk here in the UK! And the same queen.
Just need to get your lottery system sorted out, goddamnit canada
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Thursday War
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2008? How long does it take for a fucking case to go through? goddamn
You Are Viewtiful
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I never played lottery, but one of the complaints of the guy was that the Rest of Canada's system wouldn't have allowed him to buy a ticket after the deadline, so maybe it's just a Québec thing.
The only question in my mind is whether the winning numbers would've been printed had he made the cutoff. If not, then he never would've won, regardless.
Would that imply the lottery is rigged?
Ding.
No, just that the algorithm that generates the numbers is linked to the time, date, or perhaps other factors. I don't think the winning numbers are determined immediately after the cut-off.
Robot Carnival
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does he still have to pay the $100K in legal? a lot of the law firms have those policy where if they don't win the case, they don't charge you. hopefullyhe at least doesn't need to lose that amount also... and can he appeal? would he get a chance in that?
Delta Assault
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This law firm used to have that policy, but it ended on May 23, 2008 at 8:59 p.m.
SneakyStephan
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That's what he gets for playing the lottery xD
OrangeYouGlad
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He went all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada for this appeal. That's after having gone through two other courts.
out0v0rder
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he purchased the ticket before the cutoff
Rocket Scientist
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He bought the ticket before the cutoff time.
I'm not entirely familiar with the lotto system, but the numbers are randomly generated and not user-picked right? If they were randomly generated, I've gotta side with the lotto company. If that ticket had printed ontime, 8 seconds earlier, the numbers it gave would have been different. It's because he got it 7 seconds late that he happened to get those numbers.
StylesClash
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What time did his receipt say? Wouldn't that help his case?
gutter_trash
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you can pick your numbers or you can ask for a randomly generated ticket in Loto-Quebec draws for Super 7 and 6/49
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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This is not true, you can pick your own numbers when playing the lottery. as far as this particular story goes, I am not sure if the numbers were his own, or he did a "Quick Pick" (a random set of numbers, generated by the machine.)
Lone_Prodigy
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After seeing how he was notified and agreed that his ticket was valid for next week's draw, it almost seems like he trying to game the system by using one set of numbers for two draws.
terrisus
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I mean, if you bought 2 tickets, and they told you after the fact "One is for this, and the other is for this other thing," what else are you going to do? Tear it up and throw it away? Turn back time? Cross the date out and change it?
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The cashier discussion muddles the thing a little bit, but I still think they should give him something. Give him a million for the goodwill they're losing now alone.
terrisus
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Yeah, because so many people are suddenly going to stop playing the lottery over this who otherwise would be playing it, right?
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