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[matthewwhatever]

Thought some of the Toronto suburbs were soft-blue as well? They voted in Ford after all?

They did, but the key word there is "soft". They're swing ridings, and given their ethnic makeup, running a hard-right, racist/anti-immigrant campaign isn't going to win there.

Besides, using Ford as proof of anything doesn't work. Toronto has voted in all kinds of terrible mayors over the last few decades: Mel Lastman, June Rowlands, Art Eggleton...Ford got more attention, but the wackiness precedes him.

 

[Layell]

so uh, remember the person that was crying about their hydro bill? Apparently they were using 4800KWh+

which is fucking insane, 3400 of that was off peak hours, were they bitcoin mining in the middle of bumfuck nowhere? That $1k bill/month is 100% deserved.

Any source for this one, I wouldn't doubt it. These are often very uneducated people who don't understand basics of energy efficiency.

 

[chaobreaker]

Any source for this one, I wouldn't doubt it. These are often very uneducated people who don't understand basics of energy efficiency.

Maybe it's ultimately the responsibility of the provincial government to educate or enforce better energy efficiency to the uninformed. It would be a win-win for everyone for sure.

 

[Layell]

Maybe it's ultimately the responsibility of the provincial government to educate or enforce better energy efficiency to the uninformed. It would be a win-win for everyone for sure.

What do you think the Ontario Energy Board does? They frequently work with providers to send out mailers for off-peak changes and protect Ontario consumers. Heck they've done ads, radio, mail, plenty of stuff to educate people. But some consumers ignore it thinking there is no hope while they do laundry in the middle of the weekday.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Maybe it's ultimately the responsibility of the provincial government to educate or enforce better energy efficiency to the uninformed. It would be a win-win for everyone for sure.

Maybe it's ultimately the responsibility of the consumers to actually look at the myriad of fliers and information that gets sent out with almost every single energy bill in Ontario? Do you expect the Government to make everyone learn energy policy Clockwork Orange style?

You can lead a horse to water...

 

[Hycran]

Arlene Dickinson really tore into O'Leary with this op-ed: http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/kevin-o-leary-conservative-run-arlene-dickinson-opinion-1.3942349

Jesus, this article will make your soul burn on some dimension I can't even experience. What I can feel is Kevin's malevolent seething from Muskoka.

 

[LakeEarth]

so uh, remember the person that was crying about their hydro bill? Apparently they were using 4800KWh+

which is fucking insane, 3400 of that was off peak hours, were they bitcoin mining in the middle of bumfuck nowhere? That $1k bill/month is 100% deserved.

Yeah I remember hearing that story, and I was utterly confused. How many people live in that house?

 

[Boogie]

so uh, remember the person that was crying about their hydro bill? Apparently they were using 4800KWh+

which is fucking insane, 3400 of that was off peak hours, were they bitcoin mining in the middle of bumfuck nowhere? That $1k bill/month is 100% deserved.

Industrial-sized grow op?

 

[killer rin]

What do you think the Ontario Energy Board does? They frequently work with providers to send out mailers for off-peak changes and protect Ontario consumers. Heck they've done ads, radio, mail, plenty of stuff to educate people. But some consumers ignore it thinking there is no hope while they do laundry in the middle of the weekday.

Maybe it's ultimately the responsibility of the consumers to actually look at the myriad of fliers and information that gets sent out with almost every single energy bill in Ontario? Do you expect the Government to make everyone learn energy policy Clockwork Orange style?

You can lead a horse to water...

Pretty much this. Short of forcing people into classrooms with their eyelids forced opened; there is nothing the government can do if someone doesn't want to learn.

 

[MMarston]

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2017/01/20...ration-donald-j-trump-president-united-states

The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today issued the following statement on the inauguration of Donald J. Trump as President of the United States of America:

“On behalf of the Government of Canada, I would like to extend my congratulations to Donald J. Trump on his inauguration as 45th President of the United States of America.

“Canada and the United States have built one of the closest relationships between any two countries in the world. This enduring partnership is essential to our shared prosperity and security.

“Together, we benefit from robust trade and investment ties, and integrated economies, that support millions of Canadian and American jobs. We both want to build economies where the middle class, and those working hard to join it, have a fair shot at success.

“Canada and the United States have unparalleled cooperation on matters of national security, and have always worked side by side to protect our citizens and ensure our shared border is secure.

“We look forward to working with President Trump, the U.S. Administration, the 115th Congress, and officials at the state and local levels to restore prosperity to the middle class on both sides of the border, and to create a safer and more peaceful world.”

I understand that Trudeau/Libs gotta maintain good ties to down south and all, but I feel like they need to throw in a little bit of implicit strong-arm statements just to make sure we are not gonna put up with any of their shit should Trump try anything funny.

 

[UberTag]

I understand that Trudeau/Libs gotta maintain good ties to down south and all, but I feel like they need to throw in a little bit of implicit strong-arm statements just to make sure we are not gonna put up with any of their shit should Trump try anything funny.

I don't think we need to poke the bear at all here. Trudeau knows the way the vast number of Canadians feel. Nothing he stated was a fallacy. The United States remains our primary trading partner no matter who has taken up residence in the White House.

 

[pr0cs]

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2017/01/20...ration-donald-j-trump-president-united-states


I understand that Trudeau/Libs gotta maintain good ties to down south and all, but I feel like they need to throw in a little bit of implicit strong-arm statements just to make sure we are not gonna put up with any of their shit should Trump try anything funny.

This would be a terrible idea.
If anything Trump will be good for our economy, certainly the oil and gas sector.. Maybe the pipelines will finally get built.

 

[SRG01]

This would be a terrible idea.
If anything Trump will be good for our economy, certainly the oil and gas sector.. Maybe the pipelines will finally get built.

The pipelines won't actually benefit us, believe me.

The economic case for Keystone XL only makes sense if there's a large differential between Western Canadian Select and Brent/West Texas Intermediate, as it allows for the (more direct) transport of bitumen to the Heavy Oil refineries down south and thus help alleviate the discounted price.

However, the part that everyone misses is Shale Oil -- a direct competitor to us. As oil prices recover, Shale Oil will recover faster than the oil sands and thus draw away much of the demand. That means WCS is discounted even more -- at which point the economics of the pipeline are seriously in doubt.

This is all discounting (no pun intended) the fact that Shale Oil is light crude, which is a significantly better product than the heavy crude that comes from bitumen.

As the economics of shipping bitumen to the US worsen, it's apparent that localized refinement is necessary for our O&G industry, not more pipelines.

 

[pr0cs]

The pipelines won't actually benefit us, believe me.

.

Maybe not you but for sure me and a number of my friends.

 

[djkimothy]

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2017/01/20...ration-donald-j-trump-president-united-states


I understand that Trudeau/Libs gotta maintain good ties to down south and all, but I feel like they need to throw in a little bit of implicit strong-arm statements just to make sure we are not gonna put up with any of their shit should Trump try anything funny.

It's his duty to foster relations and shake hands with the devil. But as a private citizen Trump and his cronies can go fuck themselves.

 

[SRG01]

Maybe not you but for sure me and a number of my friends.

New pipelines -- particularly Keystone -- won't actually give jobs to the Canadian O&G sector because the economic benefits aren't there.

That, and the Canadian part of Keystone is already built. There's no construction jobs on our end anymore.

Like I said in my post, the only way the Canadian O&G sector will recover is with more local refinement, instead of shipping our oil to the states.

(As an aside, twinning TransMountain and redoing Line 3 will actually be more beneficial for Canadian jobs than any US pipeline approval at this point in time...)

It's his duty to foster relations and shake hands with the devil. But as a private citizen Trump and his cronies can go fuck themselves.

As Trudeau correctly noted prior to Trump's victory, the PM has to deal with whoever wins the US election -- even if it's Trump.

 

[Mr.Mike]

We should accept that our oil just isn't cheap enough to extract to be profitable for the foreseeable future. If we wanted to we could subsidize the industry to keep things going, but it'd definitely be a net loss of money for us. It would be cheaper to just give laid off oil workers a salary for not doing anything.

It's clear that not enough is done to help people adapt to economic change. Perhaps employment insurance could be reworked to be more about helping people go back to school and retrain. But also we need to foster a culture where people don't just scoff at the idea of "40 year old factory workers" going back to school. There's a weird defeatism people have about currently low-skill workers, and I think it's unfounded. (Maybe that's where the whole "elites" thing comes from too). At the same time at a certain point the "retraining" idea is actually just silly for people who are very close to retirement, and maybe we could rework our various retirement schemes to better help people retiring early, especially if doing so because of a job loss though no fault of there own. Both of these things do already happen, so I guess my point here really is just that we need to do a better job at it, even if it might be really expensive.

 

[mdubs]

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2017/01/20...ration-donald-j-trump-president-united-states


I understand that Trudeau/Libs gotta maintain good ties to down south and all, but I feel like they need to throw in a little bit of implicit strong-arm statements just to make sure we are not gonna put up with any of their shit should Trump try anything funny.

No, this is a bad idea. There's no reason to provoke him unnecessarily - pick the battles that actually matter.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

I think Trudeau (and even Harper) knows that the oil sector will eventually need to be phased out. Investing heavily into the new economy of renewables and automation are only part of the solution, a massive retraining effort must be undertaken and it must be marketed appropriately, which is probably the hard part. Millions of people will be pissed off it isn't done correctly.

 

[SRG01]

We should accept that our oil just isn't cheap enough to extract to be profitable for the foreseeable future. If we wanted to we could subsidies the industry to keep things going, but it'd definitely be a net loss of money for us. It would be cheaper to just give laid off oil workers a salary for not doing anything.

It's clear that not enough is done to help people adapt to economic change. Perhaps employment insurance could be reworked to be more about helping people go back to school and retrain. But also we need to foster a culture where people don't just scoff at the idea of "40 year old factory workers" going back to school. There's a weird defeatism people have about currently low-skill workers, and I think it's unfounded. (Maybe that's where the whole "elites" thing comes from too). At the same time at a certain point the "retraining" idea is actually just silly for people who are very close to retirement, and maybe we could rework our various retirement schemes to better help people retiring early, especially if doing so because of a job loss though no fault of there own. Both of these things do already happen, so I guess my point here really is just that we need to do a better job at it, even if it might be really expensive.

I think Trudeau (and even Harper) knows that the oil sector will eventually need to be phased out. Investing heavily into the new economy of renewables and automation are only part of the solution, a massive retraining effort must be undertaken and it must be marketed appropriately, which is probably the hard part. Millions of people will be pissed off it isn't done correctly.

A lot of the job skills from working in O&G are directly transferable to renewables -- construction, electrical installations, plant monitoring, etc.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

A lot of the job skills from working in O&G are directly transferable to renewables -- construction, electrical installations, plant monitoring, etc.

They are, but they don't pay nearly as high and there will probably be a lot fewer of those jobs as well. You only need like 2 O&M workers to run a renewable power station (wind/solar)

Also the sheer amount of truck driver jobs that will be lost is going to be brutal. They need to be proactive about all these things.

 

[SRG01]

They are, but they don't pay nearly as high and there will probably be a lot fewer of those jobs as well. You only need like 2 O&M workers to run a renewable power station (wind/solar)

Also the sheer amount of truck driver jobs that will be lost is going to be brutal. They need to be proactive about all these things.

I've always wondered why the O&G paid that much money. It's like they never bothered to rein in costs during the boom times.

And yeah, trucking jobs will be lost for sure -- though I've never truly understood how trucking was particularly lucrative as my dad used to be one and got paid peanuts...

 

[AuthenticM]

I've been wondering what the French term for "dog-whistling" was, and I found it. I actually tweeted to the Office québécois de la langue française, and they tweeted back.

Dilogie n. f.

Définition
Procédé rhétorique selon lequel un propos est interprété de manière anodine et sans équivoque par la majorité des individus, mais dont le contenu est structuré afin d'être interprété de manière particulière par une frange ciblée de la population.

Notes
Le message de second degré véhiculé lorsqu'un individu recourt à la dilogie se situe généralement aux limites de la rectitude politique, d'où le besoin pour celui-ci de faire appel à un procédé rhétorique permettant de le dissimuler.
Termes jugés adéquats pour désigner le concept à l’intérieur d’un domaine spécialisé, conformes au système linguistique du français ou acceptables en vertu des politiques officielles de l’Office

Les termes dilogie et sous-discours ont été proposés par l'Office québécois de la langue française en 2016 pour désigner ce concept.

L'emploi de dilogie constitue une remotivation d'un terme vieilli répertorié dans de rares ouvrages et signifiant « une pensée qu'on peut comprendre de deux manières. » On pourra dériver ce terme en fonction du contexte. La forme adjectivale dilogique permettra par exemple de décrire un discours ou un message, alors que le substantif dilogisme pourra désigner l'actualisation, en discours, du procédé rhétorique que constitue la dilogie.

Dans le terme sous-discours, la préposition sous prend le sens de « qui n'est pas fait ouvertement », qu'on retrouve notamment dans sous-entendu. En contexte, la forme verbale sous-discourir pourra être dérivée à partir de sous-discours.

Les mots composés avec sous prennent toujours un trait d'union.

 

[killer rin]

I've always wondered why the O&G paid that much money. It's like they never bothered to rein in costs during the boom times.

Doesn't seem all that surprising they never bothered to reign in the costs. It was basically a black gold rush what with them raking in absurdly massive amounts of cash. All reigning in the costs would do is shift a couple digits in the millions section for a several billion dollar finance sheet

 

[diaspora]

Any source for this one, I wouldn't doubt it. These are often very uneducated people who don't understand basics of energy efficiency.

she posted her bill on facebook

EDIT: Also she had $380+ still owing from her last bill which adds to the current amount.

 

[djkimothy]

she posted her bill on facebook

EDIT: Also she had $380+ still owing from her last bill which adds to the current amount.

That is out of this world. It just so happens to be billing day and here's my break down of current statement.

off-peak 296.014235 kWh @ 0.087/kWh ($25.75)
mid-peak 54.283613 kWh @ 0.132.kWh ($7.17)
on-peak 78.359651 kWh @ 0.18/kWh (14.10)

Not included delivery charges etc... Total bill is 88.53. Mind you, i'm a 2 story 3 bedroom town home with just me a dog and a cat.

But she must be on base board heating or something? I can't fathom what you'd need to do to rack up that bill. I've also converted my house to 80% LED bulbs when the city had an LED sale in October. I think the biggest guzzler i own are my 2 LCD tvs and my gaming rig. Everything else is natural gas or turned off to save.

She has to chronicle her habits cause I have a feeling she's just leaving lights on or something.

 

[AuthenticM]

Le Québec n'aime pas Trump

Le nouveau président américain ne plaît pas aux Québécois. Un sondage Léger réalisé pour Le Devoir et Le Journal de Montréal établit que 84 % des répondants ont une opinion « plutôt mauvaise » du 45e président, officiellement en poste depuis vendredi. Cette évaluation négative grimpe à 89 % chez les Québécoises.

Donald J. Trump est décrit comme un raciste par 76 % des gens d'ici et comme un misogyne (70 %). Peu nombreux sont ceux qui voient en lui « un vrai leader » (14 %) et une personne « honnête » (9 %), franche (30 %) ou charismatique (22 %).

Les répondants au sondage croient, par contre, que l'impact du nouveau gouvernement sera moins dommageable pour le Québec que pour les États-Unis ou le monde. Près de sept personnes sur dix y voient carrément une catastrophe pour les États-Unis (68 %) et le reste de la planète (71 %). Cette opinion catastrophiste ne vaut que pour une personne sur deux (49 %) par rapport aux impacts sur le Québec.

I'm glad these numbers look better than those from other places, but man, it's still weird to me that there is more than 10% of the population that thinks Trump makes a "great leader". Every negative opinion of him should rally at least 90% of the population.

 

[imBask]

Le Québec n'aime pas Trump



I'm glad these numbers look better than those from other places, but man, it's still weird to me that there is more than 10% of the population that thinks Trump makes a "great leader". Every negative opinion of him should rally at least 90% of the population.

Those are surveys though, that 10% will probably be the same that'll vote for Rambo Gauthier "because he's funny and speaks to me like a real human being". A lot of people are uninterested in politics and couldn't tell you who's the current minister of anything

 

[KernelPanic]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.the...-gain-ground-on-liberals-new-poll-shows.html?

OTTAWA—Kevin O’Leary is the far-and-away front-runner for the Conservative leadership as the Opposition party gains slightly on the Liberals in overall voter preference, according to a new poll.

O’Leary, the celebrity businessman who entered the Tory leadership race last week after months of signalling a potential campaign, is the top choice to lead the party for 27 per cent of poll respondents. The survey found he had more than twice the support of runner-up Maxime Bernier, the Quebec MP and former minister who scored 11 per cent.

FUUUUUU

 

[Prax]

worst timeline
trump needs to screw up explicitly and colossally to show EVERYONE where we don't want to be

we have 3ish years to observe and learn. don't screw this up, everyone.

 

[orochi91]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.the...-gain-ground-on-liberals-new-poll-shows.html?



FUUUUUU

Wow.

This is actually happening.

Right-Wing politics continue to disgust me.

 

[Simon Belmont]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.the...-gain-ground-on-liberals-new-poll-shows.html?



FUUUUUU

Their support is up two percent since December. Considering how much trouble the Governing Liberals have had since December I'm not sure a 2% drop is something to lose sleep over yet.

 

[imBask]

gee who could've predicted that

there's very little hope. No matter how Trump fuck things up, O'Leary will get the popular "I don't care about politics" vote

 

[gutter_trash]

worst timeline
trump needs to screw up explicitly and colossally to show EVERYONE where we don't want to be

we have 3ish years to observe and learn. don't screw this up, everyone.

Shiny new object and a flash in the pan.

Like you said, we are 3 years out

 

[Simon Belmont]

gee who could've predicted that

there's very little hope. No matter how Trump fuck things up, O'Leary will get the popular "I don't care about politics" vote

"Somebody else" has twice the support O'Leary does.

 

[Razorskin]

Ontario is going to hand O'Leary the election

 

[imBask]

"Somebody else" has twice the support O'Leary does.

who's that Som Ebodyelse guy? is he a liberal?

 

[Ether_Snake]

If Trump wrecks Canada on nafta or the car industry in particular Leary will have it easy in some provinces. Still don't think the C are forming a government until past 2020 at best.

 

[Simon Belmont]

who's that Som Ebodyelse guy? is he a liberal?

People sure do like that Justin Trudeau. He's very handsome

 

[killer rin]

Ontario is going to hand O'Leary the election

Meh, it'll be Trudeau's fault for his party not taking Electoral Reform seriously.

 

[Razorskin]

Meh, it'll be Trudeau's fault for his party not taking Electoral Reform seriously.

But weed though

 

[djkimothy]

Ontario is going to hand O'Leary the election

Ugh. i agree. I still don't understand the rob ford coalition in Toronto.

 

[Prax]

Shiny new object and a flash in the pan.

Like you said, we are 3 years out

Well, we always hope we can learn lessons from others and pan flashes die out, but sometimes uncontrollable fires start and disaster strikes. >____>

Trudeau should do more grassroots handshakings and local BBQs stuff. Earthy people love that stuff and grow loyalty and fondness from human touches. It's how Ford had such a loyal following despite being such a screwup.
My cousin who is a social worker that works in Ford's old district says so many people there are loyal to him because he showed his face around and was chummy.
People don't care about "systematic" changes. The "system" and its failings and successes are abstract and cold and inhuman. They need human touch and presence. Show up and help fix a broken sink or two. People will love you thinking they can win the lottery one day and get a personal visit. That kind of thing builds loyalty even if it's "inefficient" and based on irrational feelings.

 

[gutter_trash]

Ontario is going to hand O'Leary the election

With Wynne exchanges online versus him,
For sure Ontario voters will fall inside the Ford hole

 

[imBask]

People sure do like that Justin Trudeau. He's very handsome

3 years from now he won't be as pretty, and that Dragon's Den guy is way funnier

 

[explodet]

I'm not ready to go back into the Ford hole.

 

[Simon Belmont]

3 years from now he won't be as pretty, and that Dragon's Den guy is way funnier

Handsome is better than funny in any election. Pictures don't talk.

 

[Lexxism]

People sure do like that Justin Trudeau. He's very handsome

He's probably busy with his rich friends in Bahamas.

 

[Clov]

This is a really frightening situation that needs to be taken seriously. Trudeau really needs to push electoral reform through. Is there someone I can write to about this?

 

[Dragonite]

Ugh. i agree. I still don't understand the rob ford coalition in Toronto.

I have a lot of conservative friends and they all like Ford because he said he would lower taxes, and he did.