Simon Belmont
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...your MP?
Jack Layton was pretty handsome, and look where that lead us
KernelPanic
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Write to your local mathematician so he can clear things up for the federal government.
Simon Belmont
Banned
Jack Layton looked like a bald badger. He was a lot of things but handsome was not one of them.
Come on, how often do you find handsome people paying at a rub and tug?
There is no shortage of CPC leadership candidates that want to cut taxes, that much is certain.
Guess that should have been obvious. I think I know who that is for my area, so I'll write to them.
I have a friend who majored in mathematics, does that work?
Simon Belmont
Banned
Somebody will read it. I even get thank you letters for the nasty stuff I send.
matthewwhatever
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If the election is a two-way fight between the Liberals and Conservatives, the Liberals should win out. The people who don't want that would be the NDP, because their base abandons them in order to stop the CPC from forming government.
As for the O'Leary part of the poll: the key number is that they spoke to 111 respondents who claim to be CPC members. Just like the last poll where approximately 65 CPC members responded, the numbers are useless, since we don't know the geographic breakdown. I don't dispute that O'Leary jumps into the race as someone with name recognition (albeit with no money, organization, or memberships sold), but Forum's numbers -- which is iffy even at the best of times -- are basically meaningless.
I think this nails it. Ford kept winning because people knew him and believed he was authentic. Knocking on doors and meeting people helps a lot, and it's severely underrated. If O'Leary does win the CPC leadership -- which I maintain is still a longshot -- I very much doubt that he's willing to put in the work going to community BBQs and coffee shops and seniors residences out in the middle of nowhere. It doesn't have the same glamour as going on Fox and CNN live from Fort Lauderdale, but it's the necessary work that has to be done. There's no reason to believe O'Leary understands that, let alone that he's willing to do it.
Impeccable
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The world just wants to end itself.
gutter_trash
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Trudeau did piss off some Angryphone Anglos in his Sherbrooke Town Hall.
I can see some of them voting for Kevin lol
I can see some of them voting for Kevin lol
matthewwhatever
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They'll be more than offset by the angry Francophones who don't like that a party that wants to form government is led by a unilingual anglo.
Will they vote NDP? My concern is the amount of vote splitting by the left that led to a harper majority creep up again.
gutter_trash
Banned
Nope. 2011 was a vote for Jack not the party.
I can see Kevin losing more CPC seats in Quebec
Pretty much. His campaign was all about "fighting for the little guy to stop the gravy train as a political outsider" despite being a former councillor of Toronto who came from a rich family. People to this day remember Ford more for his football antics and for smoking crack than they do that time he said that "the Asians are taking over because they work like dogs" or him accumulating about 800,000,000.00 more in debt for Torontonians to pay off in the coming decades. That said, I imagine O'Leary could take advantage of this with a campaign along the lines of 'I'm coming back to take Canada back" as a means of presenting himself as an outsider given he's been living in Boston for some time now. Whether or not that would work is unclear since the obvious response is "you didn't even consider Canada good enough to live in, what makes you think that you should run it?"
As an aside, Rob's campaign manager just so happens to be working for Kellie Leitch, hence why she's been using similar language in regards to "draining the canal/decrying the liberal elite establishment"...doesn't explain why she started tweeting like Trump but I digress.
gutter_trash
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US officials met with Canadian counterparts in Calgary yesterday...
coincidentally, Trump this morning pushes executive order to allow Keystone XL to go ahead.
hmmm
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...vance-keystone-dakota-access-pipelines-report
coincidentally, Trump this morning pushes executive order to allow Keystone XL to go ahead.
hmmm
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...vance-keystone-dakota-access-pipelines-report
Yah, not surprised there.
AuthenticM
Member
Ok, that's enough.
How do I sign up for a membership in the conservative party so I can vote against this guy?
matthewwhatever
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You can do it through their site. Alternatively, if you're signing up for a specific candidate, sign up through their site - they may delay registering you with the party for awhile, since they won't want other candidates to get your contact info. You'll get to vote, but it'll cut down on the campaigning directed at you.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I wonder if there's a site for fake Conservatives to direct all their votes to one person. lol
I think my views of the Keystone XL pipeline are pretty well known, ugh.
gutter_trash
Banned
I like my mailman and he still has a route,
no way am I going to get Conservative mail enter my mailbox to see my mailman's face sad
no way am I going to get Conservative mail enter my mailbox to see my mailman's face sad
It's a ranked ballot, so this isn't really a concern.
Prax
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Just tell him you're playing the system. lol
Even I'm tempted to sign up, but I don't want CPC mail or phonecalls. :lc
How much weight does a Toronto vote have?
Max is that he gets a minority. The dude doesn't even speak French.
This was a rather tone-deaf and avoidable gaffe for him. Very silly not to answer a question in the language asked then provide translation afterwards.
Don't under estimate Toronto giving him a majority.
So we're all freaking out about what happened in the US because of a "Pied Piper" strategy to elevate a "beatable" candidate, combined with a lack of Democratic focus in key states... and the inoculation to this is to focus on the Tories by joining their party and doing the same thing?
People should focus on supporting their own parties and making issues the #1 concern, and spend less time arguing about the merits of, and giving coverage to, reality TV stars.
People should focus on supporting their own parties and making issues the #1 concern, and spend less time arguing about the merits of, and giving coverage to, reality TV stars.
Buba Big Guns
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O'Leary's candidacy depends on this whole right wing shift still being applicable in almost 3 years. If Trump remains as unpopular as he is now, Leitch and O'Leary will be DOA by next election. Canada's system and demographics are completely different than the US.
the US had just elected the first black president... twice. and Clinton was about to be the first women president without a doubt in anyones mind
stop pushing O'Leary aside trying to justify how he's going to lose and how different we are from them. We are but anything is possible right now, take lessons from what just happened instead of being in denial
stop pushing O'Leary aside trying to justify how he's going to lose and how different we are from them. We are but anything is possible right now, take lessons from what just happened instead of being in denial
gutter_trash
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-cabinet-keystone-xl-1.3949754
Trudeau LIVE,
he apparently has learned from his gaf from last week and is improving his press conferencing
Trudeau LIVE,
he apparently has learned from his gaf from last week and is improving his press conferencing
"Kevin O'Leary... just visiting."
Oh no no no I ain't voting for crazies. I'm talking people like maybe Chong who actually believes in climate change and all that. Moderate the Conservative party should be a goal.
Buba Big Guns
Banned
No one is in denial. And no is justifying how how he's going to lose.
The point is that there are so many variables in play that its completely stupid to already have a defeatist attitude at this point. People need to be realistic and think logically.
If people want to keep a progressive agenda, then start by promoting scientific facts and present data driven arguments to your peers. More informed people mean less chance of these people being elected.
Yep, this right here. I never thought that Americans would elect Trump, and then it happened. We have to look at what went wrong to prevent something similar happening to our own country. I'm very scared of that possibility, to be honest.
I went to Chong's website and saw his tax plan.
2 tax brackets? Really? I mean it'd be good for me because I pay less tax but a huge loss in federal income tax revenue. How will that fund our social programs and so on? He is also referencing Fraser Institute for spending cut. That's kind of worrying.
Oh, and he also wants to privatize the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC). He says that will get banks to invest more in riskier small and medium businesses than safe housing mortgage. Curious point about that and I wonder if it'll be effective.
2 tax brackets? Really? I mean it'd be good for me because I pay less tax but a huge loss in federal income tax revenue. How will that fund our social programs and so on? He is also referencing Fraser Institute for spending cut. That's kind of worrying.
Oh, and he also wants to privatize the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC). He says that will get banks to invest more in riskier small and medium businesses than safe housing mortgage. Curious point about that and I wonder if it'll be effective.
blah I get ya, I don't wanna sound too defeatist or alarmist, complacency played a huge role in the US and I just feel like it's super dangerous to just ignore it
ANECTDOTAL: Considering most conservative-leaning voters I know summarize him as "I like him, he's a good businessman", i'm not holding out on much hope. Quebec may be an obstacle for him and Leitch but Ontario will certainly welcome Federal Rob Ford if given the chance.
We can be critical of all five of the major parties in regards to issues like climate change, indigenous rights, etc. while being active in the ongoing leadership of the CPC and NDP because it's entirely possible for the CPC to take power depending on how things go for the LPC in the next few years. We can take Kevin O'Leary seriously and need to not underestimate him because "that could never happen in Canada" is simply untrue. We can ensure that, even if it's a party we're ideologically opposed to, that the best candidate for that party is nominated and not gamble on a Leitch, O'Leary, Raitt, etc. lead Conservative Party.
Bumping this for new page...
I went to Chong's website and saw his tax plan.
2 tax brackets? Really? I mean it'd be good for me because I pay less tax but a huge loss in federal income tax revenue. How will that fund our social programs and so on? He is also referencing Fraser Institute for spending cut. That's kind of worrying.
Oh, and he also wants to privatize the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC). He says that will get banks to invest more in riskier small and medium businesses than safe housing mortgage. Curious point about that and I wonder if it'll be effective.
I went to Chong's website and saw his tax plan.
2 tax brackets? Really? I mean it'd be good for me because I pay less tax but a huge loss in federal income tax revenue. How will that fund our social programs and so on? He is also referencing Fraser Institute for spending cut. That's kind of worrying.
Oh, and he also wants to privatize the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC). He says that will get banks to invest more in riskier small and medium businesses than safe housing mortgage. Curious point about that and I wonder if it'll be effective.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I have no idea who is running, but don't people want someone specific to win? Yeah you rank O'Leary and Leitch last, but what about the others?
The Conservatives only did well in Toronto proper in 2011 because of Liberal/NDP vote-splitting.
And i can see it happening again.
AuthenticM
Member
So who is the least worst of the CPC candidates, and who has the best chances of winning? I want to vote for someone who stands a chance. I don't want my vote to be wasted.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Not really, basically without Layton, they all went Liberal. The fact that Chow couldn't win, admittedly in her redistrubted riding, kind of affirms that.
Although I kind of wish the NDP was really done so we could just live in a sad reality of two party politics and focus our efforts in choosing the lesser of two evils, I guess I can't really say they're dead until we know who they pick as leader. I almost want to get an NDP membership to vote, but part of me knows that's like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football once again.
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