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Canadian PoliGAF - 42nd Parliament: Sunny Ways in Trudeaupia
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Trudeau took that position
PumpkinSpice
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JT gave himself that job.
gutter_trash
Banned
Dion drafted the Clarity Act and I give him props and respect for standing up to the crazy separatist hordes. Duceppe and filip-flopper Mulcair can eat their shorts:
Dion's Clarity Act is here to stay.
killer rin
Member
So, what does the Minister of Youth do exactly? I've been hearing that term thrown around and I have no idea.
Perfect Blue
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You always manage to drop Mulcair's name.
gutter_trash
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matthewwhatever
Member
Why wouldn't you want to see Brison in Cabinet? He's smart, he's forward-looking, he's competent -- he's everything you'd want in a minister.
I completely forgot about the UN Climate Change stuff. That was one of the centrepieces of his campaign (and possibly the campaign against him, if I'm not mistaken). That makes a lot more sense now.
Adding it soon -- I've just been really busy this morning!
It's going to be a lot more important now -- if Trudeau is bringing the Premiers to Paris with him for COP21, and signing a new Health Accord, there's going to be a First Ministers meeting in the very near future.
One thing I don't get: why we have a Minister for Science (Kirsty Duncan) and a Minister for Science, Tech and Innovation (Navdeep Bains)? They seem awfully similar to me.
I just didn't want him on money because of his PC past. You can't have a more socialist society if you're keeping the pocketbook closed/appeasing corporations
I think one will be more R&D, the other for hard science and anything not covered by the environment
Bains is more focused on Innovation and Economic Development AFAIK. Science might be just a misnomer.
edit: this too:
PumpkinSpice
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The naming is weird, but it sounds like pure science vs applied science. I think Duncan would be in charge of government funded research mainly.
firehawk12
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So how long until I can start hating Canada's New Government (tm)?
Impeccable
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Election day according to my Facebook.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I'm just waiting for the inevitable "Conservatives cooked the books too much and all our plans are out the window" move. Although maybe I'm still bitter about the Ontario McGuinty government after they "saved" Ontarians from the Tories. lol
matthewwhatever
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Enh, I really don't think it's that big a deal. He quit the Conservatives because he didn't think they'd be progressive enough, and he's from the Maritimes so his brand of conservatism is a distinctly Red Tory brand.
Ahhh...gotcha. I figured it was something like that, but it was still a little weird seeing both on there.
A neat stat from this morning's swearing-in, via Paul Wells: 14 new cabinet members didn't take their oath on a holy book (Bible or otherwise) or say "So help me God".
Also, I don't care about military backgrounds at all, but this is our new Defence Minister:
And, as a bonus, this is the new Transport Minister:
Setting aside qualifications -- which are pretty impressive -- that's pretty awesome.
firehawk12
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Red Tory and "Blue" Liberal are one and the same. lol
But let's be real, he quit because he didn't feel comfortable being an out gay MP in a party where many of its members didn't accept him or his family.
Strangely enough, I think the last election probably purged most of the lingering anti-gay marriage Liberal MPs entirely. Although I wouldn't be surprised if there were still some backbenchers who have socially conservative views now.
Two of my favorite things rolled into one: conservative and russian propaganda:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/01-11-2015/132467-obama_lite-0/
Bingo card = full
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/01-11-2015/132467-obama_lite-0/
Bingo card = full
JT made himself a Cabinet Minister, so there are 16 male and 15 female members in Cabinet.
So much for gender parity.
Promises kept: 0.
"We promised to run a deficit, but unfortunately, the books are balanced."
Promises kept: still 0.
So much for gender parity.
Promises kept: 0.
"We promised to run a deficit, but unfortunately, the books are balanced."
Promises kept: still 0.
matthewwhatever
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The new landing page for pm.gc.ca:
Also, Mulcair giving his post-1st caucus scrum is kind of painful. He's trying to spin this election as a win for the NDP, just because it achieved the goal of getting rid of Harper.
So glad he crashed and burned this campaign.
Also, Mulcair giving his post-1st caucus scrum is kind of painful. He's trying to spin this election as a win for the NDP, just because it achieved the goal of getting rid of Harper.
So glad he crashed and burned this campaign.
firehawk12
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More that the budget is already in the hole by billions, so to implement their plan they'd have to either run a deficit for more than 3 years or not spend as much.
Regardless, I expect an announcement that the accounting used by the old government was wrong or misleading in some way. All those skeletons are waiting to be let out of their closets.
NDP is dead. Let's just forget they exist please. Just like we don't talk about the Lib Dems anymore.
"We don't know how, but Mike Duffy has spent over 36 Billion dollars."
firehawk12
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You don't have to joke about this stuff, considering that Peter MacKay somehow managed to spend hundreds of millions trying to build a ship that doesn't exist, I'm sure there's a lot of funny money rolling around in the budget books for some accounting nerd to discover. lol
Though keep in mind that they've done a pretty shoddy job of it so far. The new line is running on line of sight instead of an actual scheduling system, so is on a 15 minute frequency and stops at stations for ten minutes at a time.:/
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Thoughts on the Cabinet, from a quick look:
- Not majorly wild that the Fisheries ministry is not being held by NFLD and Foote for Procurement is a token appointment only.
- Finance minister seems a little too blue for me.
- Overall ministry seems surprisingly young, which is good.
- Always a pleasure to see Stéphane Dion
- The gender parity aspect is inspiring, but also it's obvious where work remains: almost all of the important positions are male. That's not something that can be fixed overnight because obviously you want someone to have experience before you give them a top-shelf position and the Liberal caucus is mostly inexperienced and those who are experienced are mostly men.
- Justin Trudeau also appointed himself as minister for Youth. I thought this was kinda touching when you think about his background with Katimavik (which 100% did not deserve to be defunded and I hope is revived) and as a teacher. That's really nice.
- John McCallum is a good, humane choice for immigration and I hope picking someone of his gravitas signifies an intent to really engage with the refugee situation. By far the worst aspect of the Harper government was not policy output, but the motivation of policy which so frequently was driven by animus or fear rather than empathy. Justice and Immigration are two major examples of this. I also hope McCallum will resume vigorously lobbying in opposition to the Canadians sentences to death abroad. The death penalty is wrong and it is illegal and it is the moral and legal responsibility of the PMO and Ministers responsible for citizenship issues to lobby foreign governments in this regard.
- Dominic LeBlanc is a great house leader choice and a good MP.
- Heritage heading back to Québec is good both for national unity and an excellent signal that arts funding and support for creative work in Canada will be paramount. I don't know Joly well but she seems to be young and well liked.
- The incoming Minister for Status of Women, who I also don't know, has a background in harm preventing, homelessness, and drug addiction. This combined with Trudeau's previous commitment to reproductive rights suggests the department will be at least partially restored.
- Still trying to figure out what positions got promoted and demoted. Science moved from a Minister of State to a full Minister, that's great, and the new Science Minister is a climate geographer who writes on the impact of climate change on disease burden, so I wholeheartedly support that move. Canada will never again win a fossil award and we can hopefully make progress in upholding our moral commitments and forming legal commitments to minimize our country's footprint. Given that Harper's first Science Minister of State was a creationist chiropractor...
- Not majorly wild that the Fisheries ministry is not being held by NFLD and Foote for Procurement is a token appointment only.
- Finance minister seems a little too blue for me.
- Overall ministry seems surprisingly young, which is good.
- Always a pleasure to see Stéphane Dion
- The gender parity aspect is inspiring, but also it's obvious where work remains: almost all of the important positions are male. That's not something that can be fixed overnight because obviously you want someone to have experience before you give them a top-shelf position and the Liberal caucus is mostly inexperienced and those who are experienced are mostly men.
- Justin Trudeau also appointed himself as minister for Youth. I thought this was kinda touching when you think about his background with Katimavik (which 100% did not deserve to be defunded and I hope is revived) and as a teacher. That's really nice.
- John McCallum is a good, humane choice for immigration and I hope picking someone of his gravitas signifies an intent to really engage with the refugee situation. By far the worst aspect of the Harper government was not policy output, but the motivation of policy which so frequently was driven by animus or fear rather than empathy. Justice and Immigration are two major examples of this. I also hope McCallum will resume vigorously lobbying in opposition to the Canadians sentences to death abroad. The death penalty is wrong and it is illegal and it is the moral and legal responsibility of the PMO and Ministers responsible for citizenship issues to lobby foreign governments in this regard.
- Dominic LeBlanc is a great house leader choice and a good MP.
- Heritage heading back to Québec is good both for national unity and an excellent signal that arts funding and support for creative work in Canada will be paramount. I don't know Joly well but she seems to be young and well liked.
- The incoming Minister for Status of Women, who I also don't know, has a background in harm preventing, homelessness, and drug addiction. This combined with Trudeau's previous commitment to reproductive rights suggests the department will be at least partially restored.
- Still trying to figure out what positions got promoted and demoted. Science moved from a Minister of State to a full Minister, that's great, and the new Science Minister is a climate geographer who writes on the impact of climate change on disease burden, so I wholeheartedly support that move. Canada will never again win a fossil award and we can hopefully make progress in upholding our moral commitments and forming legal commitments to minimize our country's footprint. Given that Harper's first Science Minister of State was a creationist chiropractor...
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Oh, is Sheer still speaker of the house?
First business of a new house is to elect a speaker.
The 'dean' of the house (longest continuously serving mp not in cabinet) presides over the votes.
firehawk12
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Ah, I wonder if they'll just let Sheer keep it or if they'll toss that position to someone in the party who didn't get a cabinet position.
firehawk12
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Give it to Mulcair as a final fuck you. lol
matthewwhatever
Member
You mean as a thank you for his great service in bringing down Harper, right? Because that was all him, if you went by his press conference -- he was just so darn effective in the role of Leader of the Opposition that he's actually excited to continue in that role, because apparently the Conservatives no longer exist.
(I swear I'm not prodding you when I bring it up.)
No more Industry, apparently, which is pretty shocking -- doesn't Industry include StatsCan?
(I swear I'm not prodding you when I bring it up.)
No more Industry, apparently, which is pretty shocking -- doesn't Industry include StatsCan?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Traditionally the only reason you'd appoint a speaker outside your party is if you were in a minority or a 1-vote majority and didn't want to give up the vote (the speaker by custom votes to "allow debate" in the event of a tie, which is to say they should vote yes in a confidence measure but vote no on a bill). So you would expect a Liberal.
Among the qualified candidates*, I'd pick a speaker from a competitive district because speakers typically win re-election thanks to the gentleman's arrangement that because the speaker is not able to do normal district service or normal legislative activity, the whole party helps the speaker and the opposing parties typically run non-major candidates against them. So picking a competitive district is strategic.
* People who have a knowledge of parliamentary procedure and have been previously elected.
I would also pick a woman.
it's not clear to me to what extent the new Innovation, Science, and Economic Development will soak up the old Industry Ministry or where StatsCan will end up. your confusion is not alone. Still, having already signalled the restoration of the long form census, I suspect Trudeau will ensure it is taken care of.
superdeluxe
Member
Thank you! Can you expand on the position of Intergovernmental? Obviously the qualities learned from that position warranted the foreign minister position.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, the speaker usually gets a free pass. Which also kind of sucks for the actual constituents for the riding, if for whatever reason, they need access to their MP for whatever reason. But oh well. lol
A female speaker makes sense if the whole point is to make symbolic gestures for a position that is highly ceremonial anyway.
Seriously matthew your hate on for Mulcair is as annoying as gutter going on about nationalists. At least with gutter the issue only flares up once every few years, with you and Mulcair it's going to be constant. What do you expect the guy to do? His job is to paint his party in the best possible light to the media. So he's doing that. As the leader of the third party in a majority it's his job to try and stay in the media as much as possible also and with his Hotline bling thing he's doing that as well. You won. He lost. Ease up.
God damn look at that hair!
firehawk12
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It doesn't matter, since the NDP are going to be completely irrelevant now anyway. I assume this is the last time he'll ever come up. Well, until he does the smart thing and hand the sinking ship to the next doomed captain.
gutter_trash
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After today's unveil full of new faces, the bar has been set for a new generation of leaders.
Tom will be four years older in 2019 and by then Canadians will expect party leaders from other parties to be at the least in their 50s, not knocking at 70
firehawk12
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Except for Elizabeth May. She can probably stay on forever if she wanted.
eBay Huckster
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she'll have her head put into a jar, and her riding will continue voting for her head in a jar in perpetuity
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Getting a drubbing is probably enough of a sign that maybe you should take that severance pay and find a cushy gig running some organization or teaching at some university.
The Greens are basically irrelevant without her, and I guess the people in their riding are fine with what amounts to an independent MP with no real role in the House, so yeah. lol
matthewwhatever
Member
I don't get why so many people have been calling for her resignation -- she may not have gotten them additional seats (and, I guess, they lost the few others they'd gained), but she gets the Greens a lot more attention than they would otherwise.
Resign, rather than act like he won the election? He just led his party from first in the polls to a very distant third in the span of about a month. Most people would react to that with some degree of humility, rather than pretending they just won the election. He did the same thing in his election night speech, too.
Though I guess it shows that "smug jerk" is his default attitude, rather than just how he acts when he's riding high in the polls.
Resign, rather than act like he won the election? He just led his party from first in the polls to a very distant third in the span of about a month. Most people would react to that with some degree of humility, rather than pretending they just won the election. He did the same thing in his election night speech, too.
Though I guess it shows that "smug jerk" is his default attitude, rather than just how he acts when he's riding high in the polls.
gutter_trash
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Mulcair is a washed up old generation provincial politician from the Robert Bourassa era.
There is nothing current gen or next gen about the guy.
Everything about Mulcair screams Robert Bourassa.
the NDP is better off evolving with someone with the 21st Century in mind
There is nothing current gen or next gen about the guy.
Everything about Mulcair screams Robert Bourassa.
the NDP is better off evolving with someone with the 21st Century in mind
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Assuming we don't get real electoral reform beyond AV, then the NDP should just do the gracious thing and just go back to being a protest party representing whatever Labour movement remains in Canada. They just need to drag some young face from the CAW or CUPE to lead the party.
CitizenVectron
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Let's give credit where credit is due - Mulcair was a fantastic opposition leader and held Harper to account very well in the House. Regardless of anyone's personal opinions of him or his campaign, he is a fantastic MP and a great leader inside of the House.
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