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[Reizo Ryuu]

and some fans can be really psychotic.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

Gacha players are the most mentally unstable of them all. No gamers come close.

 

[Doom85]

If you do, you should condemn the use of "harassment" as excuse for every little thing, otherwise no one will take it seriously when it's actually something dangerous rather than some mean social media message or rude costumer support email.

Capcom flat out said there were threats. End of story. Bringing up others' behavior is irrelevant, especially as all that's accomplishing is shifting the focus and blame to the assholes who are making the threats.

 

[Karim]

If shitting about optimization everywhere you can is considering as threating, then yes, please do.

And if some dumbass on twitter did threat them, so what? This happens to every game that has ever come out. You can't do anything about it. But i bet you Capcom considers people complaining about how trash tier their game runs as a threat, and i am supposed to feel bad? It's not happening, they can fk off.

No one ask to you to feel bad. But insult or menace it's something shouldn't be encouraged. Just use your brain before make such assumption.

 

[Bernardougf]

Well its a casino/gambling game who makes its fortune at the costs of whales and addiction... so ... yep the real crazys and/or desperate will comeout.

 

[Wolzard]

It would have been interesting. Maybe they could explain why they weren't getting good performance with the game. It would have been a good learning experience.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Capcom flat out said there were threats. End of story. Bringing up others' behavior is irrelevant, especially as all that's accomplishing is shifting the focus and blame to the assholes who are making the threats.

"Threats" is another word that lost it's meaning due to overuse. Afaik, without knowing the specific content, it could be some internet rando showing hostility without any credible evidence of being capable of such.

Did they make credible threats? Send the shit to the police, cause if they're looking for sympathy by saying this out loud, they ain't getting anymore, not after all this time of misuse.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Well its a casino/gambling game who makes its fortune at the costs of whales and addiction... so ... yep the real crazys and/or desperate will comeout.

"well", makes it sound like you're trying to deflect or something, in any case it wasn't even about "gambling/addiction", they got upset about a video made for western fans; the game could've had zero gacha and the reaction would've been the same.
There are terrible "fans" everywhere.

 

[kevboard]

fixed the title for them:
Making Monster Hunter Wilds run smoothly! Everything you need to know about optimization—And why we didn't do it

 

[ChoosableOne]

They swapped it with 'Making Xbox Profitable Again! Everything You Need to Know About Subscription Services"

 

[DarkstarRising13]

I've played MH: Wilds on my PS5 Pro on Balanced Mode. So far, it was a smooth ride, but I'm not happy that Capcom used the RE Engine for this game. It's clear the engine was not designed to accommodate such large open-world games filled with various NPC monsters going about that are beyond what the RE Engine is capable of handling.

I believe Capcom should have retained the MT Framework engine they'd used for MH: World and served as a basis for a new engine that can handle such large, open-world-like environments. What they did with RE Engine is a case of mismanagement and overestimating the difficulties this engine can handle.

 

[near]

Hunnn it can be .. can you point to me the examples of japanese gaming devs being attacked in real life ? I tried to search and couldn't comeout with much.

Because the online "harassment" I have no doubt is true .. and Im sorry but I cant be bothered by the snowflake online fake drama.

Very few cases actually manifest into actual physical attacks, because Japan take online threats seriously. Capcom, Square Enix etc take legal action/report to authorities and individuals are dealt with accordingly. But the threats are real and should be taken seriously. It's not snowflake fake drama when some stranger is saying they're going to kill you and things of that nature, they're not just directed at the business, but specific employee social spaces.

 

[Bernardougf]

"well", makes it sound like you're trying to deflect or something, in any case it wasn't even about "gambling/addiction", they got upset about a video made for western fans; the game could've had zero gacha and the reaction would've been the same.
There are terrible "fans" everywhere.

Not trying to deflect anything.. its a fact that dealing with money gambling anything envolves more dangers than "regular" things.

 

[Doom85]

"Threats" is another word that lost it's meaning due to overuse. Afaik, without knowing the specific content, it could be some internet rando showing hostility without any credible evidence of being capable of such.

Did they make credible threats? Send the shit to the police, cause if they're looking for sympathy by saying this out loud, they ain't getting anymore, not after all this time of misuse.

The lecture was likely known to at least some news outlets, so they had to explain why it was cancelled.

And yes, you've made it very clear you have no sympathy here. You're very stunning and brave.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

believe Capcom should have retained the MT Framework engine they'd used for MH: World and served as a basis for a new engine that can handle such large, open-world-like environments. What they did with RE Engine is a case of mismanagement and overestimating the difficulties this engine can handle.

MTF situation was no better, in fact it was the exact same, it wasn't build for large open areas either, and they heavily retooled it for version 2.x so it could work for dragon's dogma...which ran terribly.
I think a lot of people forgot how badly both DD and MHW ran on consoles because they played them on pc, DD would frequently dip below 30 in action or cities, on the PS3 it was especially bad and it hit as low as ~18 fps just walking around gran soren.
MHW used this retooled version of MTF, with some more improvements, and while the PC version ran better, it still ran really bad unless you had some of the best hardware.

The next version of the RE engine, RE X, should improve in this area a lot.

 

[StereoVsn]

They actually titled their lecture "Making Monster Hunter Wilds run smoothly! Everything you need to know about optimization"?

I can't even … Someone at Capcom thought they should be giving a lecture on the subject vs attending one!?

Is there any self-awareness in the company or only hacks are left on PC team?

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

No one ask to you to feel bad. But insult or menace it's something shouldn't be encouraged. Just use your brain before make such assumption.

Nobody is encouraging this. And if some mentally ill individual does threat them, we can't do anything about it, and when you're in the public, you want it or not, it will happen.

I do encourge everyone to be as negative about the game as possible. This is the only way a multi billion dollars corporation will listen.

 

[Bernardougf]

Very few cases actually manifest into actual physical attacks, because Japan take online threats seriously. Capcom, Square Enix etc take legal action/report to authorities and individuals are dealt with accordingly. But the threats are real and should be taken seriously. It's not snowflake fake drama when some stranger is saying they're going to kill you and things of that nature, they're not just directed at the business, but specific employee social spaces.

Sorry.... we will disagree here.. since for me its snowflake fake drama. If this story evolves to some public arrest or something ill change my instance. If Its just fucking nothing as usual.. its fake drama

 

[Guilty_AI]

The lecture was likely known to at least some news outlets, so they had to explain why it was cancelled.

Yeah, and that was 100% tots the reason, and most definitely not because of how stupid they realize they'd look lecturing about optimization in one of the worst optimized games from recent times.

And yes, you've made it very clear you have no sympathy here. You're very stunning and brave.

it's ok, you clearly have more than enough digital thoughts and prayers currency to give in my stead.

 

[SamuraiEdge]

RE Engine and Open World is very poor for optimization. This is a weird presentation to do when looking at other stuff out there.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I like most Capcom games, but I got burned with Dragons Dogma 2. Only a DLC may save that game, if they even bother with it, and next gen consoles to resolve the performance issues seems like. I am not gonna buy any more day 1 Capcom games, and they have only themselves to blame for this.

Found the DLC. DD2 saved.

 

[The Skull]

Maybe they could explain why they put two fucking drm systems on it. Optimization? What a joke.

 

[R6Rider]

MTF situation was no better, in fact it was the exact same, it wasn't build for large open areas either, and they heavily retooled it for version 2.x so it could work for dragon's dogma...which ran terribly.
I think a lot of people forgot how badly both DD and MHW ran on consoles because they played them on pc, DD would frequently dip below 30 in action or cities, on the PS3 it was especially bad and it hit as low as ~18 fps just walking around gran soren.
MHW used this retooled version of MTF, with some more improvements, and while the PC version ran better, it still ran really bad unless you had some of the best hardware.

The next version of the RE engine, RE X, should improve in this area a lot.

RE X

REX , T-REX.

Dino Crisis Remake confirmed.

 

[Scrawnton]

How can you have a lecture on something you didn't do?

Sony about to cancel their lecture on launching successful live service games.

Microsoft about to cancel their lecture on employee retention.

Nintendo about to cancel their lecture on third party outreach and dev kit streamlining.

 

[Doom85]

Yeah, and that was 100% tots the reason, and most definitely not because of how stupid they realize they'd look lecturing about optimization in one of the worst optimized games from recent times.

You're the one who admitted earlier in the thread that you were making an assumption. Now you're acting all confident. While also un-ironically saying "totes".

 

[MagiusNecros]

I dunno I feel like they they made a presentation they planned on canceling from the beginning because track record has shown they aren't interested in optimizing their games and doubling down on an engine that simply cannot handle openworld or sandbox games.

 

[Saber]

Why the heck giving a lecture? Cheez, do they even read what they wrote?

 

[Lokaum D+]

Lol what ?

 

[Lokaum D+]

I haven't played Monster Hunter Wilds. I don't know how well it plays. But the way these conferences work is they send out calls for topics and people who worked on certain things and want to get their work in front of an audience of peers submit topics, that then get chosen.

Somebody worked on MH Wild optimization. We don't know how it ran before that person did the optimization work. We also don't know if the person is happy with the state of the game or what they think could be done further. We don't know what they will incorporate in the topic. It's a professional presentation for people who are faced with similar challenges in the real world, a real world where you usually can't do everything you want within the time and resources allotted... it's not some ComicCon fan glazing session.

Dont care, game runs like ass for how It looks, If anyone at Capcom think they did a great job they didnt.

 

[realcool]

I dunno I feel like they they made a presentation they planned on canceling from the beginning because track record has shown they aren't interested in optimizing their games and doubling down on an engine that simply cannot handle openworld or sandbox games.

"Capcom, much like their engine, cannot handle an open world."

 

[near]

Sorry.... we will disagree here.. since for me its snowflake fake drama. If this story evolves to some public arrest or something ill change my instance. If Its just fucking nothing as usual.. its fake drama

They do you just don't hear about them. I mean, can you really call it snowflake fake drama when it is a criminal offence in most countries to threaten someone's life? Just because a threat doesn't physically materialise doesn't mean it isn't real or harmful. A lot of cases like these end up with arrests and court cases, and the public statements from Capcom and SE (harassment policies) are substantially backed statements. The idea is to stop things escalating before they escalate into physical violence. And when there is an absence of violence, it isn't necessarily proof that the threats are fake, it's actually proof that the systems to protect there staff from online harassment work.

But we'll agree to disagree.

 

[March Climber]

Yeah, and that was 100% tots the reason, and most definitely not because of how stupid they realize they'd look lecturing about optimization in one of the worst optimized games from recent times.

From your point of view, is there a world where both are possible?

 

[Filben]

Making Monster Hunter Wilds run smoothly! Everything you need to know about optimization

 

[Guilty_AI]

From your point of view, is there a world where both are possible?

Tbf yeah. Though there's a high likelihood it was something like "This user xxMankoSureiyaxx said they were going to kill this dev's dog, let's use that as an excuse to cancel the lecture and hide our incompetence"

 

[Ar¢tos]

Now I wish Arkane gave a presentation about Redfall AI systems and optimisation...

 

[justiceiro]

Wait, so no reason was officially given and the article is just speculating?

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

Capcom: "We understand the importance of the franchise and MegaMan legends 3 has been in development for several years after significant internal reimagining."

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

I asked the mods to adjust the title since Capcom didn't actually specify the reason for the cancellation, and it's more about the author of the article speculating.

 

[Nintendo's Witch]

Philip Morris cancer prevention lecture took over.

 

[ReyBrujo]

Why would they even think about giving such lecture in the first place is beyond me.

We (programmers) learn quite a lot by listening and reading stuff written by other programmers.

 

[Rentahamster]

How is it that harassment is a likely reason? Isn't that just speculation?

Since we're speculating, wouldn't Occam's Razor suggest that the liklier reason is that it's because their optimization sucks nuts? Which it does?

 

[StereoVsn]

We (programmers) learn quite a lot by listening and reading stuff written by other programmers.

In this case I guess you could learn on what not to do.

 

[darrylgorn]

 

[near]

How is it that harassment is a likely reason? Isn't that just speculation?

Since we're speculating, wouldn't Occam's Razor suggest that the liklier reason is that it's because their optimization sucks nuts? Which it does?

I think it's fair speculation on the authors part. This lecture has been known since the start of June. MHW's optimisation issues have been known for months, and did not prevent preparations for this session. This cancellation itself has come days after the public statement about harassment and threats towards its devs. If the harassment was in regards to the optimisation of the game, which it more than likely was, then this session would have made them vulnerable to further targeting.

Occam's Razor works both ways here. They cancelled it because they just addressed harassment linked to the optimisation. Or they cancelled it because the optimisation is bad and they're embarrassed by the irony of the session. But I'd lean more towards the former. Either way, I think they go hand in hand.

 

[Bernardougf]

They do you just don't hear about them. I mean, can you really call it snowflake fake drama when it is a criminal offence in most countries to threaten someone's life? Just because a threat doesn't physically materialise doesn't mean it isn't real or harmful. A lot of cases like these end up with arrests and court cases, and the public statements from Capcom and SE (harassment policies) are substantially backed statements. The idea is to stop things escalating before they escalate into physical violence. And when there is an absence of violence, it isn't necessarily proof that the threats are fake, it's actually proof that the systems to protect there staff from online harassment work.

But we'll agree to disagree.

If you dont hear about them what proof do you have my boy... IF a company comes forward and cancel a event for "harassment and threats" and nothing more is shown .. than IT IS FAKE drama... if not they should continue the story later to show what happene, what they did and the conclusion... and they never do. Its the modern EASY way out.

Btw by the looks of it .. it was not them talking about harassment.. its speculation... so.. even more FAKE FUCKING DRAMA. Again.

And Im done bro.. believe what you want

 

[Rentahamster]

I think it's fair speculation on the authors part. This lecture has been known since the start of June. MHW's optimisation issues have been known for months, and did not prevent preparations for this session. This cancellation itself has come days after the public statement about harassment and threats towards its devs. If the harassment was in regards to the optimisation of the game, which it more than likely was, then this session would have made them vulnerable to further targeting.

Occam's Razor works both ways here. They cancelled it because they just addressed harassment linked to the optimisation. Or they cancelled it because the optimisation is bad and they're embarrassed by the irony of the session. But I'd lean more towards the former. Either way, I think they go hand in hand.

Which suggests to me that someone thought "oh hey wouldn't it be a cool story if we showcased how much we improved our game since the initial release?", and now, upon reassessment, they realized they didn't accomplish much and figure it's easier to cancel the presentation instead of delivering a weak presentation.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

If they were honestly proud of their optimization, and wanted to have a lecture about it, this is as retarded as if Bioware were to have a planned lecture about how incredible their story telling was in Veilguard. You cannot be more detached from the reality if this is what their plan was.

 

[Thief1987]

We (programmers) learn quite a lot by listening and reading stuff written by other programmers.

You can learn from incompetence too, I guess.

 

[ReyBrujo]

You can learn from incompetence too, I guess.

Yep, you don't only learn about good things but mostly about bad things.

 

[Onironauta]

RE engine is clearly not suited for this type of game. Even if MHW still wild still has performance issues, it's valuable that they share what kind of optimizations that had ti went through to make this game playable given the base engine.