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Capcom will do amazing things next gen.

olimario

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I've been playing through RE4 again because there's nothing else to play on the GameCube until Zelda, and it's blowing me away graphically.
I got to thinking that all of RE4's problems graphically deal with sacrifices made due to the hardware.


If RE4 were on a next gen console, it would look perfect.

-Textures made sharp
-Lighting effecting shadowing and self shadowing
-Anti-Aliasing
-Upped poly count on the already amazing models


The style is already perfect and the environments disturbingly detailed, varied, and believable. It's amazing how realistic the game looks on the GameCube.
Capcom is going to be able to do wonders next gen. If they do what I said to RE4 it would look leaps and bounds better than something like Gears of War, I think.

Thinking about that gets me more hyped for new consoles than anything I've seen.
 
Man I bet Nintendo is gonna make some killer games next gen. And Namco. And Sega. And oh just about every other developer worth a damn. I'm sure they'll all make their fair share of mistakes as well, but at the least, I gurantee we can look forward to some quality games next gen!

Wahoo!
 
Certainly.

Any developer which appears limited by this generation's hardware will really realize next generation's potential.

Companies which design less ambitious games now will get the "1.5" label, even later in the generation.

I expect Capcom's games to kick some serious ass.
 
Yeah and you better find who's the Graphic Director, Art Director, whatever they call it and track that guy down instead of Capcom.
 
If Capcom's going down than a lot of other Japanese companies will bite the bullet as well.

Capcom has a few franchises that served them well this generation, and have life left over for next-gen (also, next-gen systems usually rekindle interest in series for several reasons).

Some other companies seem worse off than Capcom. At least Capcom has the Onimusha, DMC, RE, and Megaman (handheld releases). And DMC4 and RE5 are set to go next gen. (both games have been announced) That's at least 2,000,000 worldwide sales.


I worry for Atlus to tell you the truth, Capcom should do alright.
 
All I need is Steel Battalion 360.

Speaking of which.. I sure hope Line of Contact works via the backward compatibility on the 360.
 
C- Warrior said:
If Capcom's going down than a lot of other Japanese companies will bite the bullet as well.

A lot of other companies have already merged or made other acquistions. Square-Enix, Sega/Sammy, and Namco-Bandai (or whatever they're going to call it) were seperate entities before this gen.


Some other companies seem worse off than Capcom.

I don't even remember where this came from so anybody can feel free to shoot it down if it's BS:

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And I'm pretty sure that was made before Namco merged with Bandai, so they're even more secure now.

I fear Capcom will disappear next-gen. The question is who will it eat it up.

I'm guessing they either get absorbed by one of the larger Japanese publishers or Microsoft buys them. I'm surprised Nintendo hasn't tried to at this point.
 
That chart looks B.S

You can check some fiscal report pages made some companies, THQ/Activision for example are definantly higher up.

And Capcom is about upper tier in market share in Japan.
 
I think a lot of people forget that while Capcom puts out a lot of mediocre games, they still put out a strong amount of top-shelf AAA games that kick ass each gen.

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So while financially most of their games bomb, hopefully they will give us just as many gems next generation.
 
The problem with Market Cap measurements is it only measures what stockholders think the company is worth. It is usually stock price x number of shares outstanding.

Market cap don't capture a lot of important information directly, like value of franchises, future products, current products, talent, etc.

Of course, it can be argued, rightly, that stock price should capture this, and theoretically it does. The price of a stock afterall, is essentially the present value of expected dividends and expected growth.
 
Mooreberg said:
A lot of other companies have already merged or made other acquistions. Square-Enix, Sega/Sammy, and Namco-Bandai (or whatever they're going to call it) were seperate entities before this gen.




I don't even remember where this came from so anybody can feel free to shoot it down if it's BS:

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And I'm pretty sure that was made before Namco merged with Bandai, so they're even more secure now.



I'm guessing they either get absorbed by one of the larger Japanese publishers or Microsoft buys them. I'm surprised Nintendo hasn't tried to at this point.
midway higher then ubisoft? :lol

you know thats fake
 
C- Warrior said:
That chart looks B.S

You can check some fiscal report pages made some companies, THQ/Activision for example are definantly higher up.

And Capcom is about upper tier in market share in Japan.

It's not entirely up to date (it's been sitting on my HD since last year) so it doesn't take into account that Ubisoft has been growing or that Konami acquired Hudson (or the Namco/Bandai merger as I mentioned) but it doesn't look that outrageous to me.
 
olimario said:
I've been playing through RE4 again because there's nothing else to play on the GameCube until Zelda, and it's blowing me away graphically.
I got to thinking that all of RE4's problems graphically deal with sacrifices made due to the hardware.


If RE4 were on a next gen console, it would look perfect.

-Textures made sharp
-Lighting effecting shadowing and self shadowing
-Anti-Aliasing
-Upped poly count on the already amazing models


The style is already perfect and the environments disturbingly detailed, varied, and believable. It's amazing how realistic the game looks on the GameCube.
Capcom is going to be able to do wonders next gen. If they do what I said to RE4 it would look leaps and bounds better than something like Gears of War, I think.

Thinking about that gets me more hyped for new consoles than anything I've seen.
What about the grass?
 
Mooreberg said:
A lot of other companies have already merged or made other acquistions. Square-Enix, Sega/Sammy, and Namco-Bandai (or whatever they're going to call it) were seperate entities before this gen.




I don't even remember where this came from so anybody can feel free to shoot it down if it's BS:

nintendo7rh.png


And I'm pretty sure that was made before Namco merged with Bandai, so they're even more secure now.



I'm guessing they either get absorbed by one of the larger Japanese publishers or Microsoft buys them. I'm surprised Nintendo hasn't tried to at this point.

Well, the only lone big 3rd party developer left, besides Capcom, is Konami.

Sega merged with Sammy
Namco merging with Bandai.
Square merged with Enix (!)
The only big independent 3rd parties in japan which are left are Konami and Capcom.

I think they'll merge by 2010
 
And a lot of people overuse the term "Capbomb" relative to sales.

Alright, the following will make me sound as if I'm Shinji Mikami himself, but yeah--some Capcom defending will go on below.

If you actually look at how some of their games are doing, not bad at all.

DMC3 broke 1.1 million sold in under a month (average time).

RE4 broke 1 million in a little over 2 months.

Onimusha 3 broke a million.

The Maximo series has done around 750,000 (roughly...)

Megaman on GBA sells a shit load.

Viewtiful Joe 2 didn't sell that much, but c'mon, how much $$$$ do you think went into that game? Still was able to surpass 250,000 with both versions.

Now you might be saying, "well C-warrior, nobody here is saying DMC3 or RE5 bombed, it's uh--all other of their bajallion games that are selling like crap?"

Well, which?

Monster Hunter and Monster Hunter G sold over 500,000 in Japan.

Killer 7 will do around 50,000 in Japan, yet Capcom only expected to sell 330,000 units worldwide for that title.

Capcom made a profit this year. And even still--they made some mistakes. Making DMC3 too hard (we see enough bitchers here on GAF, this limits the audience), and RE4 on GC. Now, not to piss of any Nitendo fans, but I think Capcom could have at least done another 150,000 if they released it on PS2 instead of the GC.

Now, also--if you look at the actual sales (net sales). It's not like Capcom games did magically superior than lets say the sales of their titles a year or two ago, it was mostly business changes. Closing down unprofitable arcade stores etc. that brought Capcom over.

Next, they have a decent concept riding off of 360's launch. Dead Rising. Not only does the game have a sense of familiarity that Jaffe so highly speaks for (the references to zombies, hollywood movies, and Resident Evil itself) AND the fact that it's a launch (or near launch title) bodes that it should perform well. Most decent launch games do peform well. And due to which, bam--we have Dead Rising 2.

There are two more Resident Evil movies planned.

A Devil May Cry movie planned which mind you, regardless if it will suck or not should do well at the box office. A stylistic "matrix-esque" movie advterised the right way should really rub off well on audiences around the world.

An Onimusha movie.

They have a Viewtiful Joe anime.

And lets not forget DMC4 and RE5 in development for next-gen.

And to cap it off, Okami should be an amazing game this year. If Capcom wises the fuck up and puts an Okami demo in RE4 and maybe the GH re-release of DMC3, than the game could sell half decent.

Obviously I'm playing Capcom's support bitch right now, but it seems every damn developer is making a damn metallic looking 30 frame per second FPS game running off the damn Unreal Engine.

I enjoy a company like Capcom with some throwback gameplay elements. And plus I felt DMC3 and RE4 were one of the best games I played this generation easily.

Now, I make Capcom sound like the greatest thing since sliced bread. But they are not, yes--sometimes Capcom does make you wonder WTF is wrong with them (i.e, making DMC2 suck donkey balls despite the high critical and finicial success of DMC1).

Making RE Outbreak 2 a shitty a game. Not porting over some kickass franchises over to PSP immediatly out the gate. Yes, but it's not like Konami is any better... Castlevania LOI anyone? Nanobreaker? Rumble Roses? ....yeah

PS: All sales stuff is from Capcom's official Fiscal 2005 Year End Report.
 
Here's some easily-understood financial info about Capcom: http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/finance/benchmark.html

The company has basically been floundering for the past two years. Flat revenues, declining income, declining asset value, rising debt. They probably have more debt in relation to their size than any other major publisher.

So yeah, they're a likely acquisition candidate, assuming anyone is interested in them. Things aren't so bad that they couldn't survive independently, but they would have to cut back substantially on their output going into next gen.
 
*claps* Great points C-warrior. Alot of people underestimate Capcom. They've got alot of power and alot of franchises.


Plus they've been saving SOMETHING REALLY BIG for their rainy days. I'm obviously talking about the LONG LONG sequal, STREET FIGHTER 4.

If Capcom even releases a 2D version of SF4, it'll single handedly take them out of the red.
 
black_13 said:
*claps* Great points C-warrior. Alot of people underestimate Capcom. They've got alot of power and alot of franchises.


Plus they've been saving SOMETHING REALLY BIG for their rainy days. I'm obviously talking about the LONG LONG sequal, STREET FIGHTER 4.

If Capcom even releases a 2D version of SF4, it'll single handedly take them out of the red.

You're insane, but I'll let someone else tell you why :P
 
black_13 said:
Plus they've been saving SOMETHING REALLY BIG for their rainy days. I'm obviously talking about the LONG LONG sequal, STREET FIGHTER 4.

If Capcom even releases a 2D version of SF4, it'll single handedly take them out of the red.
Riiiight .... :lol
 
Capcom is starting to be Japanese EA :lol They should release VJ 2005, 2006 etc, DMC 2005, 2006 etc etc. RE4 was last capcom game I really enjoyed.
 
It seems the western market has turned its back on eastern games and the Japanese market is not so hot.

Capcom has made plenty of good games, they get trashed for sequels but they've still put out hot new content like DMC and Viewtiful Joe. They provide one of the best games of this generation and still manage to have bombitis.
 
If Capcom went bust or were taken over by someone like EA then I'd give up gaming tbh. They're probably the last publisher keeping me interested in gaming. I don't care about the average games they make, they've made more consistently excellent games this gen than any other publisher! The only problem is they sell bad because gamers have it stuck in their head that anything original and against the standard is somehow inferior.
 
black_13 said:
*claps* Great points C-warrior. Alot of people underestimate Capcom. They've got alot of power and alot of franchises.


Plus they've been saving SOMETHING REALLY BIG for their rainy days. I'm obviously talking about the LONG LONG sequal, STREET FIGHTER 4.

If Capcom even releases a 2D version of SF4, it'll single handedly take them out of the red.

:lol In what fucking world are you living in. This isn't the early 90s, boy. Capcom has no uber-franchise for the next gen. They are doomed for the time being.
 
jett said:
:lol In what fucking world are you living in. This isn't the early 90s, boy. Capcom has no uber-franchise for the next gen. They are doomed for the time being.
BUT THE ARCADE BUSINESS WILL SAVE CAPCOM! ARCADES ARE THE FUTURE!

But seriously folks, how many of you are market analysts again?
 
dillinger said:
midway higher then ubisoft? :lol

you know thats fake

It's based on market cap, so it doesn't have to necesarily reflect sales or anythnig else, just investor sentiment.

Midway stock has been up over 400% over the last 2 years because Viacom's CEO has been buying up shares. He owns over 80% of the company now.

So it definitely looks about right, though a little outdated. Midway still has a higher market cap, but the gap is smaller now since Ubi Soft surged after EA bought its stake in the company, so now its more like $950 million vs. $900 million.
 
Bebpo said:
I think a lot of people forget that while Capcom puts out a lot of mediocre games, they still put out a strong amount of top-shelf AAA games that kick ass each gen.

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reviewsgc_killer7_01.jpg

maximo7.jpg

58--MAXIMO2.jpg

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gc4.jpg

tekki-3.jpg


So while financially most of their games bomb, hopefully they will give us just as many gems next generation.
Thank you. I'm sick of people constantly ragging on Capcom because of the sequelitis they seem to suffer from. Capcom has not only released some of the top new IPs this generation has seen, but they oftentime seem willing to push the artistic and innovative limits of gaming where other developers would never dare to go. Look at games such as Viewtiful Joe, Okami, RE4, Devil May Cry (father of the modern action game), or Killer7. I'd love to see another game company or two take as many risks as Capcom does, because the industry would surely be better off that way.
 
BuddyC said:
BUT THE ARCADE BUSINESS WILL SAVE CAPCOM! ARCADES ARE THE FUTURE!
If you look at the stats I linked to, their arcade business is doing very well, and is propping up their shaky console business.
 
Speevy said:
Certainly.

Any developer which appears limited by this generation's hardware will really realize next generation's potential.

Companies which design less ambitious games now will get the "1.5" label, even later in the generation.

I expect Capcom's games to kick some serious ass.


Yes. The best Speevy post I've seen.

And...
Normal maps? No. Not needed.
It will take very little for RE4 to be bumped up to the best looking title ever.
 
olimario said:
I've been playing through RE4 again because there's nothing else to play on the GameCube until Zelda, and it's blowing me away graphically.
I got to thinking that all of RE4's problems graphically deal with sacrifices made due to the hardware.

Fire Emblem:ToTBF not worthwhile? You're dismissing the new Kirby game which looks to be utilizing the SSB:M engine (as well as being a proper platformer) after whoring out KAR? Does not compute.
 
Rhindle said:
If you look at the stats I linked to, their arcade business is doing very well, and is propping up their shaky console business.
Holy fuck, are we looking at the same stats? The ones that say Home Video Games brought in 33,949 million yen, while Arcade Operations and Games combined only brought in about half of that, 14,270 million yen?

Unless I'm missing something extremely obvious, such as a seperate category showing Profit per division or Cost per division, it seems that the situation is the exact opposite of what you just described. That is, unless you're just looking at lines instead of numbers.

To be fair, you could be talking about the growth in the Arcade sector being relative to the shrinkage of Home Video Game sales, but that's only impressive if you're looking at percentages, that is, Home Video Games going down 30% from the previous year and Arcade Games leaping 463% over 2003. But once you realize that HVG snagged 48,090 million yen in 2003 while Arcade Games only grabbed a pitiful 959 million yen, well, those percentages make a lot more sense.

Even then, there's no way you could consider the 4,069 million yen gain from 2003 to 2004 in the Total Arcade sector as "propping up" the "shaky console business" that sold 14,141 million yen less in 2004 than 2003. Not by a long shot, that doesn't even cover a third of the loss. Don't forget, HVG is still bringing in over double the sales of the total Arcade sector and the bulk of the sales there are in Arcade Operations, not Games.
 
Speevy said:
Atlus should go all PSP. They could release so many more games.

Tsk tsk. Don't they teach you kids spelling these days? Change the "P" to a "D" and lop off that extra "P" at the end.
 
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