omg where can i download that?
Captain America: Civil War - Final Trailer
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omg where can i download that?
Darth Pinche
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ha ha, me too! I just can't wait!
TheSecondSpitter
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http://marvel.com/news/movies/24062...the_amazing_world_of_spider-man#ixzz42cZL4Rac
Please feel free to post an apology right here.
That's an internet article claiming the franchise is worth $4 billion due to the total gross of all the movies SPE made. It has nothing to do with what the movie rights are worth to Disney or Sony.
Do you even understand the arguments you're making right now?
BronsonLee
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The 4 billion is based off the money they made on the box office of the movies.
That's the cumulative worldwide gross of the franchise, not the "value" of the franchise. Disney bought the entirety of Lucasfilm for $4 billion, and the Star Wars film franchise itself has grossed $6.7 billion.
That is the amount of dollars the franchise has grossed. The movie rights are worth far less than 4billion.
Bobby Roberts
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That's not a valuation of the rights, that seems to be an estimation of what the films themselves have earned worldwide, combined, over the course of their existence.
The rights to Spider-Man themselves are likely not valued as high as 4 billion.
I mean, to draw the comparison to Star Wars, the films and ancillary merchandise had earned something like 30 billion over the course of their lifetime, worldwide, when the negotiations between Lucasfilm and Disney were entered into. Yet the rights were agreed to be valued at around 4 billion by both companies. Everyone understands that's the low end of the spectrum, of course, but because the property earned 30 bil over 30 years doesn't mean the rights to the property are equivalent to that number.
edit: and as I was overexplaining the shit like I always fuckin' do, four different people beat me to the point, hah.
The rights to Spider-Man themselves are likely not valued as high as 4 billion.
I mean, to draw the comparison to Star Wars, the films and ancillary merchandise had earned something like 30 billion over the course of their lifetime, worldwide, when the negotiations between Lucasfilm and Disney were entered into. Yet the rights were agreed to be valued at around 4 billion by both companies. Everyone understands that's the low end of the spectrum, of course, but because the property earned 30 bil over 30 years doesn't mean the rights to the property are equivalent to that number.
edit: and as I was overexplaining the shit like I always fuckin' do, four different people beat me to the point, hah.
Future Foundation
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BronsonLee
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SHUT UP BOBBY I GOT THIS *shove*
FunkyPajamas
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#TeamBobbyRoberts
Wait, is Verendus the Black Panther to Bobby's Iron Man, or the Falcon to Bobby's Captain America?
Wait, is Verendus the Black Panther to Bobby's Iron Man, or the Falcon to Bobby's Captain America?
TheSecondSpitter
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Firstly, it's a Marvel.com article is discussing the production of Spider-man. The $4 billion dollars is describing the value of the Spider-man franchise. It makes no reference of SPE.
Secondly don't insult my intelligence and apologize like a man.
Pai Pai Master
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Where are your apologies guys
BronsonLee
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Future Foundation
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This thread got so fucking good so quickly.
Demoncarnotaur
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You know after looking carefully, it looks like spidey's eyes can enlarge as well.
Curiosity struck me, so I decided to trace the shutters in After Effects and animated it:
Quick photoshop:
I hope you're right, because I love your edit on the eyes there - it really pulls it together IMO.
BronsonLee
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Yeah, it was really bad when we were just talking about pictures of Spider-Man
TheSecondSpitter
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How do value things?
If you use the Discount Cashflow Method you get to figure over $4B.
If you use Weighted Average Cost of Captial, ditto.
NEXT!
FunkyPajamas
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I'm going to do a Black Widow and switch sides.
BronsonLee
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...what are you doing
Even I know those aren't applicable here, and I pay for my food with Monopoly money
Alriiiiight
Who?
TheSecondSpitter
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How is DCF not valid?
It's generally agreed that Lucas extremely undervalued Lucasfilm when he made that sale.
Darryl M R
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So I feel like I'm in a great position to watch Marvels movies to get hyped for this. I am not caught up on Marvel movies at all. I probably seen the first two Iron Manner movie and a Hulk movie.
Is there a specific list of Marvel movies in order that flows into Civil War?
Is there a specific list of Marvel movies in order that flows into Civil War?
Bobby Roberts
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I believe the executives in charge of the properties in question come to that total in their own ways, but to the point you and Verendus are currently arguing, you seem to be suggesting that the corporate executives at Disney value the rights to the character of Spider-Man at $4 billion dollars, when their estimation as to the film rights for the character aren't actually known, and the $4 billion figure, while an accurate representation of the film series' worldwide receipts since 2000, isn't a 1:1 to their valuation of those rights.
Just because something's made a set amount of money doesn't mean the rights to said thing = that specific amount.
Future Foundation
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You know after looking carefully, it looks like spidey's eyes can enlarge as well.
Curiosity struck me, so I decided to trace the shutters in After Effects and animated it:
Quick photoshop:
http://i.imgur.com/z2pNDHm.jpg
That's a really cool effect. The BTS stuff on this suit is gonna be interesting.
Just movies that go into Civil War? I would say probably the first two Captain America movies, the two Avengers movies, and then this one.
Future Foundation
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Boo double post!
iron man 1 (the start)
incredible hulk
iron man 2 (sets up the avengers and flows into thor)
thor (introduces thor and loki)
captain america (caps backstory and it leads directly into avengers 1)
avengers (team assembles for the first time)
iron man 3
thor the dark world
winter soldier (prequel to civil war and just a fantastic film)
(guardians of the galaxy) (great film but not really connected to civil war)
avengers age of ultron (civil war seems to deal with a lot of stuff that happens here)
ant-man 8great film and also ties into civil war)
i think thats a good order.
bolded films are necessary to get most of the story (imo of course). ALWAYS watch the end credit scenes!
TheSecondSpitter
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No actually they use pre-determined formulas plus a premium. It's how they've been doing business for decades.
BronsonLee
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ME, YOU FLOP
Oh my god Seph you bastard
It me
I dunno, how did you confuse the worldwide gross for the franchise as their valuation for it
I actually don't care, this whole topic is dumb
Gordon Shumway
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lol..
Damn, beat me to it.
It references the total gross of the Spider-Man franchise, which has been created by SPE. And you're using this article which you've misunderstood to claim the movie rights are worth $4 billion to Disney.
Pai Pai Master
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If you want the quick version:
Captain America: The First Avenger
The Avengers
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Age of Ultron
If you want the longer version:
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Captain America: The First Avenger
The Avengers
Iron Man 3
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Bobby Roberts
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Who. Disney? Film studios in general? Corporate executives at multimedia conglomerates?
Again, it seems weird that you would possess knowledge of these kinds of inner workings (which I'm not saying you don't, or shouldn't have) while then fairly obviously misconstruing a detail in a promotional release like you're currently doing.
It's not an insult to your intelligence—everyone goofs up on basic shit. The best writers still need to be proofread. But you're basically suggesting that, even though you're citing pre-determined formulas + premium as the basis of the math used to arrive at a set valuation for Spider-Man's film rights, there's a one-to-one between how much the series has made and how much Disney values the rights to make more of those movies.
That's not even getting into how much Sony, the party that actually holds said rights, values the rights to make those movies. Which is likely also not the one-to-one you're suggesting.
Unless the pre-determined formulas + premium tend to almost always line up one-to-one with lifetime worldwide box-office reciepts.
I wouldn't know, myself. I just bullshit about pop-culture on gaming forums when taking small breaks from my workload.
I'd actually suggest a different short list:
The Avengers
Iron Man 3
Winter Soldier
Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
BronsonLee
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Darryl M R
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Hmm I might go the longer route, I would just have to start with Captain America.
Thanks for clarifying the list for me!
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I mean if someone hasn't watched any of the Cap movies, Id certainly recommend the first due to Bucky being a pretty important part of the series, plus Peggy Carter
Hell one of the very best parts of the trailer has no value if you haven't seen the scene it's alluding to from The First Avenger
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This is pretty much it.
These stories aren't all that hard to follow, really.
Not yet, at least.
TheSecondSpitter
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So you have no idea but you say they are irrelevant to the conversation. Gotcha.
Hint: DCF measures the future income stream of an IP. It's a valuation method used when IP is unique and valuable.
It factors in synergies like -- the fact Spidey is more valuable in MCU then out of it and production and distribution economies of scale. .
thecouncil
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...well, do you like 'em or what?
In the grand scheme of things it isn't too important though.
BronsonLee
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Yeah, Marvel movies are pretty easy to follow. They'll usually serve up a simple primer for anything important to the movie.
That's usually how I operate
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