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[Frog-fu]

C'mon, guys, Cap is superhuman. In the comics and the MCU.

Batman is peak human. Daredevil is peak human. Green Arrow is peak human.

T'Challa, Steve, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, etc. are all in the superhuman class.

 

[Frozen Canadian]

MCU Daredevil has super human senses but I don't think he's peak human. DD gets dunked on several times

 

[Jack Remington]

Could Cap beat Jessica Jones or Luke Cage?

I only saw the JJ pilot, which didn't really show what the extent of her powers would be.

 

[Frog-fu]

MCU Daredevil has super human senses but I don't think he's peak human. DD gets dunked on several times

He has borderline superhuman endurance feats in the liveaction TV adaptation, and in the comics he is even stronger and pretty much red Batman in terms of physicality and martial skill.

 

[Anung]

MCU Daredevil has super human senses but I don't think he's peak human. DD gets dunked on several times

Super-human senses and Olympic level gymnastics due to his sonar sense. (I like how Olympics level is short hand for not quite superhuman) but he's pretty much just a strong fast dude using his powers to pick up a lot of slack.

 

[guek]

Could Cap beat Jessica Jones or Luke Cage?

I only saw the JJ pilot, which didn't really show what the extent of her powers would be.

Absolutely. JJ and Cage are brawlers that are a lot stronger but neither could lay a finger on Cap without getting thrown around. Their fighting skills rely entirely on their strength. I don't think they'd know what to do in a fight against Cap hand to hand let alone if he had his shield.

Super-human senses and Olympic level gymnastics due to his sonar sense. (I like how Olympics level is short hand for not quite superhuman) but he's pretty much just a strong fast dude using his powers to pick up a lot of slack.

He's a ninja!

I expect MCU DD to get much more skilled though in season 2.

 

[Cloyster]

I can't wait for Spiderman to school someone, and then get schooled because he's a kid.

Or the reverse.

 

[Dalek]

I thought Steve was peak of human potential, meaning the absolute max of what the human genome could do. Bruce Wayne is at his physical peak, meaning he perosnally isnt capable of being any stronger, faster etc.

Yeah you're thinking of Batman. Steve has super-strength. He can rip off a car door and use it as a shield, etc. Just not as strong as Thor, Hulk, Spidey, etc.

 

[The Artisan]

He's far stronger for starters. There's a panel of him lifting an entire nuclear reactor over his head, which weighs thousands of tons. His energy shields have tanked a nuclear blast. He's faster. He has a shit-ton of weapons that the MCU version doesn't seem to have. But again, he jobs. There's a fairly massive discrepancy between his best and worst showings.

The MCU characters are all far more grounded, which I actually prefer. Same with the recent movie Superman.

well, I guess that's that. I was gonna say maybe his powers within the confines of his suit will develop more as the narrative of the MCU goes on but it's been close to 10 years that the MCU's been in existence so I don't know if they're gonna continue to build upon what he already does or add more to it.

No, Captain America and Batman aren't supposed to be at the same level.

obviously not. they're not even part of the same stories. what I meant was they're both basically supposed to be as strong as a human can be but that doesn't mean their skill set is exactly the same. hell, there are even different levels of superhuman strength. spiderman is superhuman but he can't hold a candle next to the hulk, I don't think.

Cap is much stronger than Batman.

movie cap since he's superhuman, but not 616 cap. cap is overall stronger but I don't think batman wouldn't be able to keep up. especially given the fact that he's gone up against rogues that are superhuman. screw attack, for whatever that shit is worth, says batman is the greater superhero.

https://youtu.be/mIyB6B0uYHg?t=10m43s

You're citing the phrasing of "peak human condition" while ignoring the context of what Cap has actually done in the comics. In comparison to what others in the comics can do, Cap may be some version of a peak comic book human condition but he far surpasses what peak human condition would be in reality and he's definitely far greater than anything Cap has done in the movies.

This is fine though. The movies don't need to be 1:1 with the comic versions. They should do what's best for the plot.

I thought it was stated specifically in the 616 comics that cap doesn't have any superpowers. but in the ultimate comics, he does as he is in fact superhuman there so it's likely that mcu cap is at least in part based on ultimate cap.

I agree that the movies don't have to align exactly the way the comics do but one thing I wish they wouldn't change are character origins. that's kind of an off topic statement on my behalf though.

 

[rouken]

awesome trailer

but where's nick fury?

 

[The Artisan]

awesome trailer

but where's nick fury?

he wasn't in any of the av2 trailers either, i don't think.

 

[More_Badass]

Comic Cap can hold his own against Spidey. I'd say that makes him superhuman.

MCU Cap is definitely beyond peak human

 

[Anung]

Comic Cap can hold his own against Spidey. I'd say that makes him superhuman.



MCU Cap is definitely beyond peak human

I may be remembering this wrong but wasn't the whole point of that fight (and the monologue) that even though Spidey is stronger and faster he is outclassed by Cap due to his experience as a tactician. He won't hit as hard as hulk but he knows when and where to hit.

(still rubbish because Spidey's spider-sense)

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I don't know why ever since the Netflix series I think Daredevil should have an angry dance scene ala Footloose.

 

[The Artisan]

Comic Cap can hold his own against Spidey. I'd say that makes him superhuman.



MCU Cap is definitely beyond peak human

MCU cap is superhuman, there's no question about that, but I think cap was able to keep up with spiderman based on his experience as a fighter. he's fighting iron man the entire time who's also obviously superhuman.

I may be remembering this wrong but wasn't the whole point of that fight (and the monologue) that even though Spidey is stronger and faster he is outclassed by Cap due to his experience as a tactician. He won't hit as hard as hulk but he knows when and where to hit.

(still rubbish because Spidey's spider-sense)

this. and yeah, the spidey sense still should have given him the edge but whatever.

I don't know why ever since the Netflix series I think Daredevil should have an angry dance scene ala Footloose.

in all seriousness though, charlie cox should definitely still show up for this cameo.

Spoiler

although I heard that ain't even matt murdock in the dd suit.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Damn son, stone cold Daredevil.

 

[Dalek]

Damn son, stone cold Daredevil.

Matt has always been a judgmental guy at heart. That catholic upbringing.

 

[Manmademan]

so what does 616 iron man do that mcu iron man can't?

616 iron man used a satellite network to channel the gravity field of planet Jupiter to beat down magneto.

He built a Dyson isphere and a star powered weapon called sol's hammer to obliterate an invading alien fleet.

He teamed with doom to create a time machine from spare armor parts.

Mcu iron man is not on this level.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Matt has always been a judgmental guy at heart. That catholic upbringing.

Turn the other cheek, so I can slap it too

 

[Dalek]

Turn the other cheek, so I can slap it too

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Spoiler

although I heard that ain't even matt murdock in the dd suit.

Spoiler

Its Danny Rand, he took over for Matt

 

[More_Badass]

616 iron man used a satellite network to channel the gravity field of planet Jupiter to beat down magneto.

He built a Dyson sphere and a star powered weapon called son's hammer to obliterate an invading alien fleet.

He teamed with doom to create a time machine from spare armor parts.

Mcu iron man is not on this level.

Comic science is fun

 

[The Artisan]

616 iron man used a satellite network to channel the gravity field of planet Jupiter to beat down magneto.

He built a Dyson isphere and a star powered weapon called sol's hammer to obliterate an invading alien fleet.

He teamed with doom to create a time machine from spare armor parts.

Mcu iron man is not on this level.

those don't sound like things mcu iron man isn't capable of though.

Spoiler

Its Danny Rand, he took over for Matt

Spoiler

lame. so is matt murdock not involved in the civil war storyline at all?

 

[Zeyphersan]

I was wondering about that too. Just saw the trailer, and it seems to have nothing to do with superhuman registration and all. Bah.

But with the clusterfuck that is Marvel movie rights, I guess this makes sense too?

The document in the trailer is their version of registration, so it is a thing. It's named after the city that gets trashed by Ultron/The Avengers in AoU. There's just no secret identities to fight over in the MCU

 

[Manmademan]

those don't sound like things mcu iron man isn't capable of though.

Spoiler

lame. so is matt murdock not involved in the civil war storyline at all?

You think MCU iron man is building Dyson spheres and time machines? Are you high right now

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Spoiler

lame. so is matt murdock not involved in the civil war storyline at all?

Spoiler

Daredevil does barely anything anyway. I think Matt was in jail during that time.

 

[Cloyster]

I was wondering about that too. Just saw the trailer, and it seems to have nothing to do with superhuman registration and all. Bah.

But with the clusterfuck that is Marvel movie rights, I guess this makes sense too?

The Sokovia Accords that Thunderbolt slipped on the desk was all about the government controlling the supers, and everything he was saying was about how Cap can't just be a vigilante. The Bucky stuff is just his catalyst to say "Fuck the government"

 

[Shaanyboi]

Spoiler

Daredevil does barely anything anyway. I think Matt was in jail during that time.

Besides, he's a regular dude who fights gangsters in a neighborhood of New York. He's not really having conversations with The Avengers or getting pulled into government meetings.

 

[The Artisan]

You think MCU iron man is building Dyson spheres and time machines? Are you high right now

I didn't say he's fucking doing it, I said he's capable of it. And no I'm not high at the moment

Spoiler

Daredevil does barely anything anyway. I think Matt was in jail during that time.

Spoiler

damn. well, they could always just change it to give him a cameo. spiderman doesn't have the exact same role as he did in the comics.

Besides, he's a regular dude who fights gangsters in a neighborhood of New York. He's not really having conversations with The Avengers or getting pulled into government meetings.

neither is spiderman...

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Saitama should be team cap

 

[Anung]

Besides, he's a regular dude who fights gangsters in a neighborhood of New York. He's not really having conversations with The Avengers or getting pulled into government meetings.

All they need to do to make me happy is name drop the fact some nut in a mask is beating people to a pulp in hell's kitchen.

One line of dialogue like this would make me so happy.

 

[Shaanyboi]

neither is spiderman...

Spidey is a helluva lot more of a public figure than Daredevil. As are his villains.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

neither is spiderman...

Spider-Man is a member of the Avengers for a decade now. There was one time, were he also just went into a UN meeting and told everyone to get their shit together.

 

[Jest Chillin]

neither is spiderman...

Spidey's powerset alone enables him to involve himself in any level of event he wants to. So the only restriction on him getting involved is desire.

MCU DD isn't capable of that yet in addition to his focus being his own neighborhood

 

[sleepykyo]

I need to read up on Black Panter beforehand. I know nothing about him.

Neither do I. If comicgaf is any indicator I hate the character. It is basically superpowered, prep time Batman as an actual character. I guess that isn't quite as bad as BatWolverineman or whatever that amalgam monstrosity was.

Cap: He's my friend
Tony: So was I

Props to RDJ for that delivery.

 

[Anung]

All they need to do to make me happy is name drop the fact some nut in a mask is beating people to a pulp in hell's kitchen.

One line of dialogue like this would make me so happy.

Hell have Thunderbolt tell Cap how his suited heroics are inspiring others to vigilantism.

DO SOMETHING WITH DD MARVEL.

 

[Zeyphersan]

Hell have Thunderbolt tell Cap how his suited heroics are inspiring others to vigilantism.

DO SOMETHING WITH DD MARVEL.

Feige don't give a shit about the TV shows

 

[Anung]

Feige don't give a shit about the TV shows

It hurts ;_;

 

[AMUSIX]

to the discussion on Cap's power level...


I've always seen it as this. Cap is the apex of human physical abilities in all things. That means, if it is possible for a human to achieve it (either currently, or in the future), Cap can do it...and that applies to everything at once.

So, if a distance runner can go for four hours without slowing...so can Cap...but also, if a sprinter can hit 28mph, then Cap can as well. Combine those and Cap's maintaining driving speeds between San Francisco and Reno.

He's pulling strongest man feats while at the same time keeping his speed and flexibility.

All of that certainly combines to make him superhuman, but each individual aspect of a feat could be considered 'peak human'.


Then again, it's just a comic book/movie, so...yeah, let Superman throw his cellophane S.

 

[Nelo Ice]

Synopsis been posted yet? If not.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=127346

Marvel’s Captain America: Civil War finds Steve Rogers leading the newly formed team of Avengers in their continued efforts to safeguard humanity. But after another incident involving the Avengers results in collateral damage, political pressure mounts to install a system of accountability, headed by a governing body to oversee and direct the team. The new status quo fractures the Avengers, resulting in two camps—one led by Steve Rogers and his desire for the Avengers to remain free to defend humanity without government interference, and the other following Tony Stark’s surprising decision to support government oversight and accountability. Get ready to pick a side and join the nonstop action playing out on two fronts when Marvel’s Captain America: Civil War opens in U.S. theaters on May.

Already stated it before but still #TeamCap.

 

[JoseLopez]

Feige don't give a shit about the TV shows

The Netflix shows are so much better than the movies which frustrates me so much.

 

[Cerium]

Feige don't give a shit about the TV shows

He even went out of his way to cast another Night Nurse in Doctor Strange.

I see the Netflix shows as their own distinct universe; they reference the movies, sometimes, but never the other way around.

 

[JoseLopez]

He even went out of his way to cast another Night Nurse in Doctor Strange.

I see the Netflix shows as their own distinct universe; they reference the movies, sometimes, but never the other way around.

Who's night nurse

 

[Monocle]

HYPE

Looks damn good.

 

[Zeyphersan]

He even went out of his way to cast another Night Nurse in Doctor Strange.

I see the Netflix shows as their own distinct universe; they reference the movies, sometimes, but never the other way around.

Has McAdams been confirmed as Night Nurse? I know Claire Temple in DD is confirmed not to be, but last I heard Rachel McAdams didn't have an officially announced role yet

 

[Frog-fu]

Feige don't give a shit about the TV shows

They're better than most of their films though so Feige can go fuck himself if he's that obstinant about it.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Feige don't give a shit about the TV shows

I don't think that's necessarily true. It's just that TV isn't in his job description and it's far easier for TV to adjust to the movies than the other way around.

The Netflix shows are so much better than the movies which frustrates me so much.

Less restriction on the type of content they can air gives them more freedom than the broadcast shows and more time to develop characters and execute plot arcs makes them deeper than movies.

He even went out of his way to cast another Night Nurse in Doctor Strange.

I see the Netflix shows as their own distinct universe; they reference the movies, sometimes, but never the other way around.

Eh... to be fair, Dawson's character was never outright stated to be Night Nurse. I'm not sure if McAdams character will be either though. Hell, in theory, they both can be different takes on Night Nurse without either of them actually using the moniker.

 

[Frozen Canadian]

He even went out of his way to cast another Night Nurse in Doctor Strange.

I see the Netflix shows as their own distinct universe; they reference the movies, sometimes, but never the other way around.

Feige said recently that movies will start referring the shows so who knows.

My dream of a Spider-Man/Daredevil team up movie shall never die

 

[Matt]

Has Adams been confirmed as Night Nurse? I know Claire Temple in DD is confirmed not to be, but last I heard Amy Adams didn't have an officially announced role yet

Rachel McAdams. Not Amy Adams.

 

[Cerium]

Who's night nurse

In Daredevil?

In Doctor Strange?

Has Adams been confirmed as Night Nurse? I know Claire Temple in DD is confirmed not to be, but last I heard Amy Adams didn't have an officially announced role yet

Yes she's been confirmed.

The Claire Temple not being Night Nurse thing was a change made late in production, forced by Feige. DeKnight explicitly confirmed that the character was supposed to be Night Nurse. They don't do a very good job of hiding it either; that character is Night Nurse in all but name.