Captain America: Civil War Trailer #1 Debut

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Lucc said:
So Cap is in the wrong, right? He is helping a fugitive killer who is responsible for some of the most terrible acts of assassination in the last 60-70 years?

Weather Bucky is innocent or not (because of brainwash), it is for a judge to decide and not for Cap.

Is it just me or could Cap just hand Bucky over to the authorities and avoid this conflict altogether?

Premise seems kind of stupid. I haven't read the comics though.
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In terms of politics and legality? Yes Cap is wrong. And if it takes him proving their point in broad daylight, he will do it to protect Bucky. Cap may wear the flag but he's not a slave to it. Whether you feel that is truly right or wrong of him is up to you, and that's the kind of grey area thinking that Civil War should be about. It's the kind of thing Miller forgot when he wrote the book.
 
Lucc said:
So Cap is in the wrong, right? He is helping a fugitive killer who is responsible for some of the most terrible acts of assassination in the last 60-70 years?

Weather Bucky is innocent or not (because of brainwash), it is for a judge to decide and not for Cap.

Is it just me or could Cap just hand Bucky over to the authorities and avoid this conflict altogether?

Premise seems kind of stupid. I haven't read the comics though.
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Did you watch that trailer? The people coming for Bucky have no intention of taking him alive. There will be no judge, they're coming to kill him.

Thunderbolt Ross is also rolling out a superhuman registration and deployment agenda, which since there aren't really secret identities in the MCU (outside of daredevil and maaaaaaaaybe ant man) is likely to forcibly enlist anyone with powers and weaponize them at the whim of whoever is running SHIELD.

There are some points to be made by both Cap and Tony, sure- but any side that Thunderbolt Ross is on is going to be the wrong one. A lot of people skipped Hulk and really shouldn't if they're going to watch this movie.
 
Has anyone giffed Falcon's flippety spin kick yet? Shit looks fucking rad. I'm really glad to see that, because I've found Falcon's wirework on landings to look pretty lame so far.
 
Lucc said:
So Cap is in the wrong, right? He is helping a fugitive killer who is responsible for some of the most terrible acts of assassination in the last 60-70 years?

Weather Bucky is innocent or not (because of brainwash), it is for a judge to decide and not for Cap.

Is it just me or could Cap just hand Bucky over to the authorities and avoid this conflict altogether?

Premise seems kind of stupid. I haven't read the comics though.
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It more like something terrible has happen and it points to Bucky for some reason, so the government is putting a shoot on sight order on him or will straight hangs him out to dry.

Cap action is understandable if you also remember Ross giving him a stern warning regarding where Avengers stand.
 
Majanew said:
Lol yeah. Ant-Man was supposed to bomb and it did $518 million. Beating all but one of the X-Men movies.
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the crazy thing is that I get the sense it was the name that really turned people off. The movie itself was awesome. If it had been named ANYTHING ELSE but "Ant Man" it would have done $700M

kurahador said:
It seems more like something terrible has happen and it points to Bucky for some reason, so the government is putting a shoot on sight order on him or will straight hangs him out to dry.

Cap action is understandable if you also remember Ross giving him a stern warning regarding where Avengers stand.
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Uh, yeah- winter soldier happened lol. Dude has been a legendary killer for decades, and Black Widow released all the intel shield had on him (and everything else) to anyone with a laptop via the internet. Bucky's identity isn't secret and neither is anything he did over the past 70 years or whatever
 
Pai Pai Master said:
In terms of politics and legality? Yes Cap is wrong. And if it takes him proving their point in broad daylight, he will do it to protect Bucky. Cap may wear the flag but he's not a slave to it. Whether you feel that is truly right or wrong of him is up to you, and that's the kind of grey area thinking that Civil War should be about. It's the kind of thing Miller forgot when he wrote the book.
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Cap was wrong to the letter of the law but not in teh spirit of the law, which is to try those responsible Zola/Hydra/etc. Bucky was a programmed asset when he commited those crimes.

This story is what happened in the comics post civil war and Bucky was actually Cap for a time and his past came to light. I think if he had will fully been pressured and went along with it all then he would also be guilty.

The film is also about the Civil War storyline but it seems they skimmed from that (and let the AoU carnage be the New Warriors event that sparked the comics Civil War) and are more heavily inspiried by the trial of Bucky from the Cap ongoing. Tony is probably pissed that Bucky killed his parents because otherwise he's not an idiot and can read between the lines.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
Cap was wrong to the letter of the law but not in teh spirit of the law, which is to try those responsible. Bucky was a programmed asset when he commited those crimes. This story is what happened in the comics post civil war and Bucky was actually Cap for a time and his past came to light. I think if he had will fully been pressured and went along with it all then he would also be guilty.

The film is also about the Civil War storyline but it seems they skimmed from that and are more heavily inspiried by the trial of Bucky from the Cap ongoing. Tony is probably pissed that Bucky killed his parents.
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Yeah The Trial of Captain America is kind of the perfect arc to adapt as Cap 3 and disguise as Civil War. It's a much better story to apply the Cap vs Iron Man dynamic to.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
...people will get tired of predicting coming book fatigue finally? it's been a few years now.

btw there's probably some idependent comic book films coming out next year too thats not even all of them. isn't TMNT2 coming next year?
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For what it's worth: My friends and I are all fatigued. This is the only one I plan on even renting, because I was pretty impressed with WS. AoU (which I thought was fine) weirdly led to a conversation after we left where we were all like, "That was fun, but I think I'm tired of this? How bout you?"

So I can at least tell you of 12 or so people in Dallas who are done seeing these things in theaters for a while.
 
Frozen Canadian said:
Oh yeah that X-Men show they wanted to make right? 2 of them I think?

Still getting rekt tho
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I really hate comparing companies, but Fox is hardly getting "rekt".

I'm excited for X-Men Apocalypse (<3 Singer + last Fassbender X-Men) and I'll support Deadpool if only as a vote for more R-rated genre films.

Fox is doing some interesting things with the limited properties they do have.

Gambit is the only stupid mistake, but I'm hopeful Liman can turn that trainwreck around.

And if they do an Old Man Logan movie it's all over.

FeD.nL said:
Yeah I can see Gambit being delayed.

It's basically only the small screen where Fox doesn't have a presence. 2016 is interesting because the three players all have 2 major pictures coming out. Going to be fun watching it all play out.
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Fox announced X-Men shows m8.
 
Really needed a black panther film before this.
Feels jarring throwing him into this deep an nd and build him up effectively with this "civil war" happening throw in the registration act and the main story line being cap protecting bucky and the confrontations with Stark and then to show spiderman in some capacity.
 
Scorpion Soldier said:
Ant-Man crossed $500 million, Doctor Strange has some great chances, especially with Cumberbatch in the lead role.
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Frozen Canadian said:
Oh God is Doctor Strange the new "Marvel's first bomb" after Ant-Man turned out to be a success?

Because lol no. Dat cast
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Hence "may or may not" ?
Strange is coming at the end of a very loaded year is all I'm saying. I'm sure marvel will do the marketing work correctly, it's just a tough spot to be in.
 
kurahador said:
- Deadpool (Fox Studios/Marvel Comics – February 12, 2016)
- Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Warner Brothers/DC Comics – March 25, 2016)
- Captain America: Civil War (Marvel Studios – May 6, 2016)
- X-Men: Apocalypse (Fox Studios/Marvel Comics – May 27, 2016)
- Suicide Squad (Warner Brothers/DC Comics – August 5, 2016)
- Gambit (Fox Studios/Marvel Comics – October 7, 2016) - most likely delayed
- Doctor Strange (Marvel Studios – November 4, 2016)

2016 will be the true test for comicbook superhero genre fatigue.
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8 year old me is nerding out like crazy.
 
Awesome trailer. Warner is probably so happy now that they moved Bats vs Supes from Cap3 date. :D

More_Badass said:
Russos still got it

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You mean, Spiros and his stunt team still got it. :)
 
FeD.nL said:
Deadpool: February 2016
X-Men Apocalypse: May 2016
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FeD.nL said:
Yeah I can see Gambit being delayed.

It's basically only the small screen where Fox doesn't have a presence. 2016 is interesting because the three players all have 2 major pictures coming out. Going to be fun watching it all play out.
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You know what: commercially Fox is gonna be 3rd place, but I think Fox has a fighting chance of being number 2 or even number 1 in terms of criticcal reception or among fan acclaim.
I mean, if either Marvel or DC make a movie, that among fans is considered a disappointment like Age Of Ultron or Man Of Steel were, Fox could leap ahead.

And of course there is the 4th option: they could all be winners :)


By the way: is Fox's Deapool set in the same universe as their X-Men franchise?
 
Staccat0 said:
For what it's worth: My friends and I are all fatigued. This is the only one I plan on even renting, because I was pretty impressed with WS. AoU (which I thought was fine) weirdly led to a conversation after we left where we were all like, "That was fun, but I think I'm tired of this? How bout you?"

So I can at least tell you of 12 or so people in Dallas who are done seeing these things in theaters for a while.
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well since we are talking about an aggregate....12 isn't worth much , and its not the end of the world for those for or against this films. Who cares you know? Go watch something you like , you wont catch me in the Harry Potter cinematic universe thread any time soon I was done at 4. But that don't mean if another HP film came out the general audience and HP fans will say "meh" its over.
 
Staccat0 said:
For what it's worth: My friends and I are all fatigued. This is the only one I plan on even renting, because I was pretty impressed with WS. AoU (which I thought was fine) weirdly led to a conversation after we left where we were all like, "That was fun, but I think I'm tired of this? How bout you?"

So I can at least tell you of 12 or so people in Dallas who are done seeing these things in theaters for a while.
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If the movies weren't continuous and were not tying together, then I could understand.
Aren't you excited to see how everything plays out with the gems and me coming to collect them? I'm going to kill every living thing in the universe.
 
I do wonder if the editing for that beat down on Tony by Bucky and Steve is done. The idea of that scene is better then how it looks I think after watching it a few times. It looks off. As if they speed up that sequence to much that it looks a bit comical after the initial viewing. Especially compared to scenes in Winter Solider and other parts of the trailer.

neorej said:
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The interesting thing about Deadpool is that I see a lot of people that do commentary for movies, especially super hero movies hyping Deadpool. I've yet to see that excitement in everyday life. You can come across people talking about Batman vs Superman (they still say vs since it's easier and makes more sense then just v), curious about he new Joker of course, Captain America and the next X-men film when it comes to the next big movie they want to see. Of course this is all after Star Wars and the recent talk about Bond and Hunger Games. I don't see or feel this excitement for Deadpool. Even when I look online and in forums I just don't see this building excitement or desire for that film. Not saying it will bomb. Nope. It can and likely will surprise. I just don't think it will be the break out hit people are thinking it will be. Happy to be proven wrong though.

Comedy is hard to nail down I think. Not all people find everything funny. At least for me on this front the best the trailer for Deadpool did to me was make me smile during parts of the trailer. I didn't find anything out right funny. So that's not a hook for me.
 
Really love the dark undertones. The more they get away from the style of the previous films, the better. Reminds me of what DC is doing.

The Civil War stuff does feel tacked on, and unnecessary, though.
 
Excited to bring my father to see this with me. He enjoyed Winter Soldier but as a casual moviegoer thought Age of Ultron was a bit too much.
 
matrix-cat said:
Has anyone giffed Falcon's flippety spin kick yet? Shit looks fucking rad. I'm really glad to see that, because I've found Falcon's wirework on landings to look pretty lame so far.
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Iffy landings could be a result of the wire team all cringing in unison every time Mackie is about to say "cut the check!"
 
Majanew said:
If the movies weren't continuous and were not tying together, then I could understand.
Aren't you excited to see how everything plays out with the gems and me coming to collect them? I'm going to kill every living thing in the universe.
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Hahah, not really no. I think they do an okay job of tying together loose ends in these movies, so I'm sure I can just jump into Avengers 3 if it seems cool.
DonasaurusRex said:
well since we are talking about an aggregate....12 isn't worth much , and its not the end of the world for those for or against this films. Who cares you know? Go watch something you like , you wont catch me in the Harry Potter cinematic universe thread any time soon I was done at 4. But that don't mean if another HP film came out the general audience and HP fans will say "meh" its over.
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Sure! I'm not saying the tide is turning enough to matter. Just saying I do know people who have gone back to watching good movies.
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Shuggananas said:
Hence "may or may not" ?
Strange is coming at the end of a very loaded year is all I'm saying. I'm sure marvel will do the marketing work correctly, it's just a tough spot to be in.
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i don't think so.

Again, casual moviegoers (who make up the bulk of box office receipts) don't see everything. marvel fans will see marvel stuff, DC fans will see the DC stuff, people who liked Xmen will see those.

crazy word of mouth will get extra butts in seats, but somehow i don't see Gambit (which will likely move) doing crazy good critical numbers.

There is a mile wide gap between when the last marvel movie launches in May, and when Dr. Strange releases in November. Even Suicide Squad is August, but the tone of that film is completely different from what Dr. Strange is going for. One is going to be horror/fantasy, the other is Ocean's 11 with super criminals.

there will be no fatigue issues for Dr. Strange. there is no "maybe or maybe not" here- it's set up to succeed. The only concern is if the movie itself turns out to be bad- which given the cast and marvel's iron fisted control of production isn't likely at all. It will at LEAST do Ant Man numbers.
 
danielcw said:
You know what: commercially Fox is gonna be 3rd place, but I think Fox has a fighting chance of being number 2 or even number 1 in terms of criticcal reception or among fan acclaim.
I mean, if either Marvel or DC make a movie, that among fans is considered a disappointment like Age Of Ultron or Man Of Steel were, Fox could leap ahead.

And of course there is the 4th option: they could all be winners :)


By the way: is Fox's Deapool set in the same universe as their X-Men franchise?
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Yup it's set in the same universe.

I really hope all the films will do well.
 
ryseing said:
I really hate comparing companies, but Fox is hardly getting "rekt".

I'm excited for X-Men Apocalypse (<3 Singer + last Fassbender X-Men) and I'll support Deadpool if only as a vote for more R-rated genre films.

Fox is doing some interesting things with the limited properties they do have.

Gambit is the only stupid mistake, but I'm hopeful Liman can turn that trainwreck around.

And if they do an Old Man Logan movie it's all over.



Fox announced X-Men shows m8.
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When did the xmen universe become limited? Claremont alone created like 600 chars in his runs, not to mention Claremont and Byrne both did amazing FF4 runs. The xmen..uncanny xmen RULED the comicbook world. for a good 20 years and were the flat out most popular for a good 30. They dont have a limited property , they have limited respect and vision for their property. IF they had BvS level commitment to an xmen film they would rule film just as easily. Synder shouldn't write a single letter of an xmen script but he should guide its visual style and effects which are terrible in the fox films. Deadpool looks like a step in the right direction *Colossus thank you* , when Fox stops fucking around they will double DoFP's business. The Xmen are like the yankee's or the Lakers or the SF 49ers, soon as they get back to form here comes a swarm of people that be like "no i was always a fan!". Long as we keep getting OWN network Xmen it will be on the smedium good hype level playing second fiddle to spiderman.

They have to capture how much more there is to being an X-Man, the sacrifice and heroism IN SPITE of the drama an pressure. Thats what made them so great , they got NOTHING for being heroes. They weren't BORN to be a hero like Cap, or Thor, they were normal people, most of whom could've lived amazing lives doing for themselves and those they cared about. Threw it all away to get hunted by sentinels and save people that don't take the time of day to judge by content of character. They were something special , they were from all over the world, different walks of life , worldviews and economic social status. They have now been turned into less than that in film and print and its obvious.

So when Fox stops fucking around they can have my money.
 
SolidusDave said:
Speculation time!

So that's team Cap:
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Ant-Man won't join the fight imo, Cap just hired him to steal some tech/intel or whatever. He doesn't have any reason to fight for them (especially against authority).

Black Widow is in between, helping/warning Cap while staying officially on the team hunting Buck. There's a scene of her fighting goons/police though. edit: and she's at the German airport.

Team Stark wasn't shown in one shot. In the scene above Team Cap goes up against Iron Man and War Machine and for some reason Black Panther fights Buck. Probably for personal reasons and technically not teaming up with Stark.

Vision seems like a character that would sit that fight out, otherwise he would be in that fight on the airfield (unless they just didn't show him).


I can see Spider-man joining in late, possibly trying to heal the rift between the two teams. But I feel this movie is positioned to have consequences to influence the next Avengers movie, so no happy end all around (kinda like Winter Soldier).
This is a Cap movie so it will be from his perspective, the audience more or less should root for the underdogs trying to evade police etc. so I guess Team Cap will be captured/defeated one by one to create tension, followed by the finale (see Spider-man).
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Regarding Black Panther:
I wonder if he's there for his own reasons just to basically investigate and spy on both sets of heroes. If I remember correctly, in the comics he eventually revealed his reason for joining the Avengers was to spy on them and see how much of a thread they would be to Wakanda.
 
Lucc said:
So Cap is in the wrong, right? He is helping a fugitive killer who is responsible for some of the most terrible acts of assassination in the last 60-70 years?

Weather Bucky is innocent or not (because of brainwash), it is for a judge to decide and not for Cap.

Is it just me or could Cap just hand Bucky over to the authorities and avoid this conflict altogether?

Premise seems kind of stupid. I haven't read the comics though.
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Based on the trailer, they were going to kill Bucky instead of trying to bring him in.
 
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