Well the CW passing on the show we've known about from when the show was originally being shopped around.
CBS Orders Supergirl Series
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Well the CW passing on the show we've known about from when the show was originally being shopped around.
You don't know why they rejected it. Maybe they didn't want a female superhero show? Maybe they think two CGI-heavy superhero shows would be too expensive for them? Maybe they already have a show in the pipeline? Who knows.
Sibersk Esto
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That'll teach the people saying she's just a female version of Superman
Bobby Roberts
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(Shrug) Fuck 'em.
GrayFoxPL
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If they can pull it off, maybe but they need to have Granny Goodness.
absolutely, I really hope that they decide to go that route.
Byronic Hero
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Man, old supergirl comics...
Super Suction breath? Damn. Kim missed out.
Doesn't the official synopsis directly mention her as Superman's cousin? Seems like an odd thing to do if you were going to erase him from this particular canon. For now I'm sticking with Superman won't be featured in any way but that he does exist and probably referenced on occasion. At least until I see something official that states otherwise.
Wiktor
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Just because CW wants more DC shows doesn't mean they want Supergirl. Tonally and power-wise it could be too similiar to Flash and they might want their third show to feel different from Arrow and Flash. Plus Supergirl will propably be more expensive to make than Arrow and Flash.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I'm pretty sure they have a female superhero show in the pipe (The Avenger). Maybe their third show will be a team show to differentiate from the Cape and the Cowl (so the Suicide Squad to Flash and Arrow)
Removing Superman =! removing the villains. Let's face it, the big ones like Luthor are probably already off the table. But characters like Parasite, Silver Banshee, Livewire, Myzxptlk, etc? I'd imagine those are fine. Plus, it's not like doing a Superman show means you can only use Superman villains.
Besides, DC/WB runs their ship differently from Marvel. There's nothing saying they won't allow Luthor, Lane, etc to appear in limited capacities during the show's run. They've said repeatedly they don't care about having their characters in TV and movies at the same time.
Besides, DC/WB runs their ship differently from Marvel. There's nothing saying they won't allow Luthor, Lane, etc to appear in limited capacities during the show's run. They've said repeatedly they don't care about having their characters in TV and movies at the same time.
Escape Goat
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Kim isnt man enough for Linda. Even his nane is womanly.
Bobby Roberts
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Most of Superman's rogue's gallery isn't even all that well known. Parasite, Toyman, Metallo... people generally have no clue who these guys are. There's no reason they have to be off limits. Same with someone like Maxwell Lord, or Morgan Edge.
Seriously, imagining a fictional universe where there was never a Superman, and the only Kryptonian anyone ever knew was Kara? That's a much more interesting tack to take with Supergirl. Especially if you're putting her on prime-time and it's guaranteed she's not connecting with any other fictional universe. She's not crossing over to the movies, and MAYBE she crosses over with Flash/Arrow - but even then, they've never had a super like THAT before either.
It's an opportunity to basically reimagine both Supergirl AND Superman in one fell swoop. CBS gets to put the S up on the screen, only this time, it's a woman rocking the shield, and she's not the big blue boy scout.
There's a TON of potential there - so long as they don't fuck that up.
Seriously, imagining a fictional universe where there was never a Superman, and the only Kryptonian anyone ever knew was Kara? That's a much more interesting tack to take with Supergirl. Especially if you're putting her on prime-time and it's guaranteed she's not connecting with any other fictional universe. She's not crossing over to the movies, and MAYBE she crosses over with Flash/Arrow - but even then, they've never had a super like THAT before either.
It's an opportunity to basically reimagine both Supergirl AND Superman in one fell swoop. CBS gets to put the S up on the screen, only this time, it's a woman rocking the shield, and she's not the big blue boy scout.
There's a TON of potential there - so long as they don't fuck that up.
krypt0nian
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They're not removing Superman from Kara's background. He's in the show description.
Also Geoff Johns is closely running the DC media properties and he wants a solid character concept across all media. Some slight differences are to be expected but the main pillars will remain.
Also Geoff Johns is closely running the DC media properties and he wants a solid character concept across all media. Some slight differences are to be expected but the main pillars will remain.
Bobby Roberts
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Is he really? That was said back in 2009 and then Green Lantern happened and since then I haven't heard nor seen SHIT about him being involved in anything remotely important on the film/tv side of things.
And I feel like it's easier/better to move forward with Supergirl if you just cut out Superman altogether, otherwise you're forever stuck with that bullshit question hanging over everything as to why Superman is never around. There's never going to be a satisfactory answer, either, because HE'S SUPERMAN.
krypt0nian
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Superman is rarely in her comics. He's busy. You just name check him once in a while and you're done. This isn't an issue there. It isn't an issue here.
Bobby Roberts
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Comics aren't the same as TV shows, and the audiences are DEFINITELY not the same, nor should that be an expectation.
It's not necessarily a big problem, but it's also a situation that can be easily sidestepped, too.
It's not necessarily a big problem, but it's also a situation that can be easily sidestepped, too.
krypt0nian
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I'm telling you that DC media no longer wants various versions of characters being portrayed in different media. You can accept this goal or not.
I'm not sure what else to tell you really.
Bobby Roberts
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What?
Isn't that exactly the opposite of what they've been saying? That they would prefer to keep their character's live-action adaptations on television from being chained to overarching continuities, freeing the characters up for new interpretations without fear of having to make it fit in a larger shared universe?
Why are you telling me a thing that seems to be at odds with what Warner Bros is actually saying?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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But isn't a Flash movie in the works concurrent with a separate Flash television show?
Escape Goat
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I thought that was the reasoning DC used for not bringing Bruce Wayne into Smallville. They didnt want to interfere with Nolans Batman.
Wiktor
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It's not absolute rule. We already know they are willing to make exceptions.
tringworldso
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If that is the case then I bet they will use Wally West there and if Supergirl is in the movies they will use Kara-Zor El (aka Supes real cousin).
Also, if CW wants a third show which is tonally different from Flash and Green Arrow then it has to be Green Lantern with Kyle Rayner. But budget issues...
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I think they're now easing up on it.
Wiktor
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I think Green Lantern would work a lot better narratively on TV than in cinema. Hopefully the CG tech will soon be cheap enough to allow that on small screen. I mean, we already have shows where backgrounds are almost fully CG and they are on smaller networks, so they can't cost a lot of money. Now all we need is CG for powers and with Green Lanter bassicaly creating fake looking green light effects it would propably be easier than some other stuff. So who knows..maybe in few years it will be possible.
GL isn't hard to do.
Just have Hal will things that can be done practically, and then add a green light over them in post. The effects won't be film quality, but the characterisation/plotting/story arcs will be amazing.
I mean Secret Origin, Emerald Dawn, Final Night, The Spectre, Parallax, Rebirth, Sinestro Corps Wars, Blackest Night, Brightest Day, War of the Green Lanterns, Rise of the Third Army, Wrath of the First Lantern, Kyle's stint as the sole remaining GL, Gardner, Stewart. Mogo, Sodom Yat, Kilowog...
The show writes itself.
Wiktor
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Personally I think we are already pretty close to being able to pull off GL on TV.
I mean...if we combined Spartacus tech for backgrounds
With CG for powers of the style the animated series had
That would be good enough to me.
Wiktor
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BlackLagoon
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I dunno, sounds like another "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" type situation.
Razgriz-Specter
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Bat Embargo would like a word with you.
It affected Bird of Prey,
wouldn't allow Gordon(for a while), Two-Face, Scarecrow or Ra's/Talia in Batman's own cartoon.
Blocked Dick and Barbara and many villains from ever being on the Justice League cartoon.
Teen Titans wasn't allowed to directly reference Batman stuff.
Blocked any direct Batman reference on Smallville.
Arrow hasn't been allowed to even mention Gotham so far.
All of that just because they were saving stuff for movies.
Razgriz-Specter
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Im waiting to see if that makes the final cut before I get too excited.
Would shock me if it makes it to tv.
unholyrevenger72
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What if they say fuck it and go balls deep, Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes. Basically pick up where she's left of in JLU.
eh, that's pipe dream.
eh, that's pipe dream.
Arrow is the most recent thing on this list, and thus, the only relevant piece to the discussion. Everything else is years old and came about under a different regime and in a different climate.
Meanwhile, right now, there's a fucking Batman show on prime time TV at the same time they're prepping their big DC Cinematic Universe thing. The Bat Embargo hasn't mattered in years, and it's weird that people keep bringing it up like it does.
Sibersk Esto
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He says "I already have a father" and lightning flashes to reveal the big WAYNE sign
It was not very subtle
Esp with Ra's coming on this year.
lololololol
Wreck-It Ralph
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CBS? So we're either getting a laugh track or a procedural cop show?
Wiktor
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Two of the very best dramas on TV (network or cable) are airing on CBS right now.
Razgriz-Specter
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No the father line showed a bat flying overhead,
The Wayne sign was just a bunch of letters in the background of a Slade fight(think Slade was stealing tech stuff),
after the A&Y are broken it revealed the entire thing.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Person of Interest and The Good Wife murdered this perception.
Sho_Nuff82
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No one cared that the Avengers didn't show up in Thor 2, Cap 2, or IM 3. "He's busy" is a perfectly adequate excuse that now has precedent in live action.
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