sircaw
Banned
i must admit I don't know how sanctions work, but yer i suppose there is a layer above this that already does this.
God damn fucking Russia, i wish they would just stop there shit, its beyond terrible whats going on.
CD Projekt Red is halting the sales of their games in Russia
God damn fucking Russia, i wish they would just stop there shit, its beyond terrible whats going on.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not the civilians, they're suffering for the acts of the top few.
FearlessBelgian
Member
I don't want to enter in a useless debate with you but i just want to say that america have doing a lot of shit in a lot of country too and never got "punish"...
Fbh
Member
Sure, I get that this hits closer to home for them. But all this "hey guys...look, we too!!" comes across as a bit of cheap virtue signaling.
The best response I've seen from a game dev is from another Polish studio, 11 Bit Studios, who actually put their game on sale and donated all the revenue (more than $500K)
To be fair though CDPR also donated money, which I think a more thread worthy thing than this.
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Hari Seldon
Member
There is a 125+ page thread in the OT talking all about the war, but yet the "muh muh muh muh muh muh muh muh murica" Jimmy's stay on the gaming side for some reason.
If more and more ordinary people will be affected by various kinds of sanctions/restrictions/etc then maybe it will force them to protest and impact their leaders. That's why I think all of these actions are correct and justified.
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Fess
Member
I don't think it's the right time to start being concerned about Russian gamers while the innocent children, women, men, elders, pets, whole population of Ukraine, is fleeing for their lives or die for the actions of the Russian leader.
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SteadyEvo
Banned
Killing another is never acceptable. But saying that entire country is evil and deserves punishment for the actions and decisions of 1 man makes no sense. We don't get to choose our place of birth or nationality.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
I mean, since the money is going out of Russia, and they are getting a product that they can't trade, and also is imbued with your own values, isn't best if you keep selling.
Nothing wrong in keeping getting Russia money. What we should stop is buying stuff coming from Russia.
Nothing wrong in keeping getting Russia money. What we should stop is buying stuff coming from Russia.
Fess
Member
It still makes no sense to be concerned about the well-being of Russian gamers right now. Try to imagine what it's like to be an Ukrainian gamer instead…
And nobody is saying that the whole country is evil. What the west is trying to do is to get people within russia, including Putin's closest ones, to wake up from the slumber and show Putin that they see through his propaganda and don't want him to keep destroying their country and any hope for a nice future.
That's the only way this war can end. The west literally can't use weapons, NATO is forced to sit on their hands, they'll do nothing. The isolation is simply western people in big chairs taking action instead, the only way they can, without weapons, because they think it's wrong. Showing military regimes that weapons isn't only way you can make people's life miserable might end up being a true power move.
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Again, that's great if it works.
But complete Isolation can have the exact opposite effect on a humans mind, making them more open to the propaganda by the Russian government. Which can have consequences beyond the current war.
It's a dangerous game and a wishful outcome.
Perspective and careful considerations are always to be taken before going full scorched earth.
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Sean Mirrsen
Banned
Did you ever wonder how many things Ukraine just makes up as it goes along, just to follow the US playbook of "blame them of as many heinous things as possible until something sticks"? None of you actually know what's going on there. I could show you my garden shed and claim it's on the outskirts of Donetsk and you'd never know because you're just following the social media pressure and assuming that everything you're told is true.
Fess
Member
It's not North Korea, it won't go all dark. I have a russian coworker (50+ yo) who has really opened my eyes. In short, everybody saw what could happen, in theory, but nobody thought this would happen in reality. And these two countries are interwined like siblings, she has relatives on both sides. It's just horrible on a whole new level. And regular people in Russia, especially young people, know what's happening very very well. They're very updated. But they don't dare to do anything. Putin is ruling by fear. Question is, for how long can he keep doing this if the whole country is turning against him?
Patrick S.
Banned
Russians pay for games?
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
Idiotic, pointless gesture.
SF Kosmo
Banned
Probably because they started a war with virtually zero pretext.
I know right. CDPR should have put embargo on coal and gas imports. Also maybe they should have gifted military equipement to Ukraine or send troops.
Oh I forgot, they are a gaming company, so they are doing what is actually possible for them.
And it's not pointless, it's giving a signal to some people, same as with Apple and many other companies.
Dream-Knife
Banned
The Russians are no stranger to piracy. I am curious how many sales from Russia they actually have normally.
If these companies like Apple actually cared they would stop business with China. Would hurt the bottom line too much though.
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I mean....look I don't disagree that some might really feel that way, but this company has a history of just saying such PR shit for attention and I've called this out for years.
We leave greed to others
Its ready when its done
We say no to crunch
All this horseshit and they still lied to fans many times, released broken games and lied about to fans and investors, made claims about crunch just too look good only to reveal they did it too. How the fuck do we know this isn't one of their classic "we need to say it for attention" type things? Do some really believe that? I'm 100% sure and I'll never debate that, but their PR has a history of saying such things regardless if its even true or not.
So many might feel that way at CDPR, but I don't think people should get too wrapped up in in needing to prove they really care. Some might, some may not, but it makes sense for them as a business and I think its silly for anyone to prove or something that they really care regarding this. The gesture is good enough regardless if we think the mean it trustfully or not as no one can even prove that shit anyway.
Its like someone wishing you a happy birthday and you are like "ok, but do you really, really...REALLY mean that from your hearts bro" (gets mind reader in room) lol
Regardless, CDPR needs all the good press they can get and would have done this regardless if it was before or after CP2077 imho.
PeteBull
Member
most importantly putin himself is against russia, they even get censored news and cant say its a war, only allowed to say its special military operation
PeteBull
Member
nope its not, they did donate some cash to ukraine too, i respect it as a polish person that our company decided to not support russian rejime and putin anymore, putin is current day hitler
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Every little bit helps. The Russian government is doing everything it can to control the narrative and prevent their people from hearing any other viewpoint. But they can't censor stuff like this.
FearlessBelgian
Member
Russia attacked the free world; its people need to be completely cut from it and its benefits.
CuteFaceJay
Member
this keeps up those pesky Russians will have to dig out the old soviet computers.
Care to explain?Yeah of couse, they started a war with zero pretext...
alucard0712_rus
Banned
Sad, but CDP needs to know that we are loving their games. I was among the few who loved Cyberpunk when it released - story, design, characters, dialogues, music. Night City is my favourite virtual city and I can talk forever how good and beautiful it's design is. I also was very very happy after patch 1.5 out, its like much needed redemption.
Also I was planning to start Witcher 3 when RT patch is out but.
Sad times!
Also I was planning to start Witcher 3 when RT patch is out but.
Sad times!
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NiiloPielinen
Member
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
How will this help exactly?
Denton
Member
So what do you and people around you think about the current situation? And any idea on when you might get a normal democratically replaceable government?
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Alone, it will not. Together with all other entities doing similar thing, it may push Russians to protest, speak up agains the leader etc.
How will Apple's withdrawal help?
How will Google ban on ads help?
How will Ikea withdrawal help?
And so on.
Russia just want Ukraine to remain a neutral state. If they join Nato this will be like when Russia tried to put missiles on Cuba. It is unacceptable.
This is why we are where we are. Putin demanded assurances in December that Ukraine would not join NATO and they couldn't rule it out. Hence this s*** show.
This is why we are where we are. Putin demanded assurances in December that Ukraine would not join NATO and they couldn't rule it out. Hence this s*** show.
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VN1X
Banned
Don't bother my brother from down under.Yeah of couse, they started a war with zero pretext...
It does not compute with the narrative so any well reasoned nuanced post you make that isn't "PUTIN BAD, RUSSIA WORSE THAN WEIMAR GERMANY" will fall on deaf ears.
So what's the opposing view? Did Ukraine attack Russia or what?
You must all remember than now more than ever Russia is an existential threat to Poland (and to all Europe really)
There is a certain possibility than down the line some of CDPR devs or their families could be killed by the fascist army of Russia, so it's normal that they take action, how small it may seem.
There is a certain possibility than down the line some of CDPR devs or their families could be killed by the fascist army of Russia, so it's normal that they take action, how small it may seem.
NiiloPielinen
Member
Yes. For some reason most of the countries that felt the embrace of Soviet Union wanted to get into NATO as soon as possible.
For some reason.
Especially Ukraine after 2014.
Besides, in december Putin already had troops on the border.
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VN1X
Banned
I already put the Ukraine topic in off-topic on mute because I just can't deal with these normie fuckin' takes anymore. I'm not going to explain a massive complicated geo-political conflict to you, one you've already made your mind up about. If you're truly interested and want to know more then turn off the TV, read some books and try and look up people who've had more experience and research when it comes to this whole issue (which dates back the the end of the WWII actually).
I'm not going to pretend to have or know all the answers but this constant fuckin' NPC-speak is doing my head in. I truly wish the world was as black and white as that but unfortunately it isn't. It's great for if you want to gain some virtue points with friends and family or the internet. Yes we all know Putin is bad but fuck me it goes a bit deeper then that lol. I actually feel shame now towards the Russian people because not only are we stigmatizing them (in my own country this is already happening) but going so far as to straight up demonize them as well. I've already seen mentions of people with Russian backgrounds fearing for the safety of their children over here. It's fuckin' insane and so many of you are gleefully partaking in this sort of rhetoric by repeating the same talking points over and over again or, worse still, propagating straight up propaganda.
Honestly, sometimes it feels like the majority of people have no sense of being or belonging in this world so they just turn on the news to follow whatever narrative is being cooked up as if they're swiping through Netflix to check out the latest trending thing, in order to give themselves some sense of purpose or otherwise engage in blissful activism that holds no weight whatsoever or requires any critical thinking. It's sad really.
EDIT: Disclaimer (and I can't believe I have to even mention this because it's so obvious but some here are only capable of one thought at a time): The Ukrainian people are obviously the biggest losers here and I hope they can overcome these horrible and trying times. They deserve all the help they can get right now.
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It was pretty black and white until recently. You had Ukraine just sitting there doing Ukraine stuff and all of a sudden Putin decided that he wants crimea. After 8 years he dicided that he wants all of the Ukraine.
By you history lessons you probably think that all countries that resulted in ZSRR collapse should go back to Russia because hurr durr it's big scary Russia.
Maybe you should learn something also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
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VN1X
Banned
If by doing "Ukraine stuff" you mean recruiting literal Neo-Nazis (actual Nazi's, not the ones the alphabet people scream about on twitter, but also now the ones you are allowed to praise evidently?) for their armed forces and all of the human rights violations (on both sides) that have occurred in the eastern regions of Ukraine. Then sure... Ukraine was just sitting there doing "Ukraine stuff" lol.
Again no one is approving Russia's invasion of another country. I'd argue that aggression such as this is never okay. This incessant rhetoric painting the Ukraine as some sort of innocent force is ridiculous however. Over the years (since 2014 especially) it's basically become a vassal state of the US what with all their funding and election meddling and oh my god I am now arguing with someone who is posting wiki articles which has become one of the biggest sources of partisan misinformation and censorship (I mean history and basic definitions literally change on the daily over there to suit the needs of those who benefit from whatever is the current Zeitgeist lol).
Also I apologize if I offended you in my previous post. I hate using ad hominem language like that but the last few years, as you can imagine, have been especially frustrating when it comes to well... world events basically. Feel free to have the last word (because I can already feel like this is an endless back and forth otherwise and I think we have both already made up our minds on certain topics).
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JLB
Banned
Let me strongly disagree. What are you expecting, a russian teenager to prepare a molotov and try to kill Putin? This is just virtue signaling in pure state. If not, would love to know why CDP is still operating in China where Uyghur genocide is taking place, or many of the islamic countries were stoning to death of womans and minorities is accepted.
alucard0712_rus
Banned
IMO.
I can speak only for myself and my friends - we are all 20-40 years old and pretty much what you can call a 'normal European people'.
Here in Russia propaganda call us 'taitors', "liberasts' (liberal + gay), or '5'th cologne' and of course 'we all receive money from EU and USA' to speak against our president.
But from our point - our government lied to us so many times, involved in so much shit, said ridiculous things, and we remembered everything. Someone also killed or took in prison many of our strongest minds.
Again, even if we are wrong - we are considerable amount of people and most importantly young, contemporary, smart, 'progressive people' and I don't understand why they put us in jails for speaking (even if we are wrong).
Government and Putin makes everything to stay at what position him/they are. They give no shit about us or at least they are in such situation that everything they do is wrong and hated.
There is other people - old people who only source of information is official propaganda AND STILL they are against any war but they told that this is "necessary' operation. I'm about to see a person who like what happened.
In answer to your question - everyone is deeply depressed and shocked. we are hate this situation just as much as you if not more!
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For you second question - we are thinking. And we don't want go in jail or be killed. Tough thing is that Putin is KGB agent - he know (maybe?) about security. He made EVERYTHING past 20 years to defend himself.
1. Elections in Russia is joke, even if they are not 'made up' - Putin has every possibility to control what people think - by using mass media and other, dirty things. So elections is out.
2. Putin will die sometime, but this man is a real sports man. Out of question too. Will be long time.
3. He will be taitored by surrounding people. As real as it may seems it's very very unlikely. Someone killed or put in jail everyone that can do that. That's why he is surrounded by people that can't say ANYTHING against his position. Or they just fear.
He always talking about 'security' and all of this because of security. How ironic...
Now about whole situation - as we know there is no politics in our countries - both are post-Soviet and our governments and mostly a criminals in past. So roughly speaking Ukrainian gov has fooled Putin many times and he is taking revenge. And Putin hate traitors or those who lied to him. Of course there is many other (and may be more important things) but to me it looks like it.
Now the bad news:
When whole world knew about invasion we all think that's it's absolutely impossible and he we are! I mean we here was really shocked for 2-3 days. NOBODY expected this - so plain and straight.
Now he talking about Nuclear Weapon...
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Yoboman
Member
Ukraine could have Hitler rise from the grave and it wouldn't give Russia the right to invade
Its the equivalent of America invading Mexico on the pre text of stopping cartels
They could have summon Satan itself as long as I'm concerned. If they keep him inside, nobody can invade.
Sorry mate, but you're trying to justify the Russian invasion because you simply don't accept them as independend country. And since when being a US vasal country is a crime? They are independend, they can do whatever the fuck they want.
Go ahead justify Russians some more, maybe explain how its ok to bombard civilians.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Those things you mention are indeed horrible, but you're comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing human rights abuses within a country's borders vs a country committing an act of war, invading and trying to annex a neighboring country.
And a nation's ability to wage war + occupy another nation (as well as a dictator's ability to maintain power in general) is highly dependent on the popular approval at home.
So yes, cutting them off from commerce with the west is a legit tactic and might be the best chance we have to end this aggression without turning it into a hot war between Russia & NATO.
We need to make this as costly as possible for Russia. Every little bit helps.
Denton
Member
Thank you for that post. Assuming it is sincere, it is good to hear there are people in the Russian Federation who are not on board with Putin's agenda.
That said. While I wholeheartedly condemn this invasion and war, I can't help but be annoyed by the western hypocrisy as well.
The wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lybia, Jugoslavia - all mistakes, and all great reasons for Putin to claim that NATO is not a defensive military alliance, but also offensive one. And eventhough Ukraine is its own country with its own population, and deserves to be independent and fully capable of making its own decision on what supranational organizations to join - I can understand Putin not wanting western NATO Ukraine next to his border - eventhough it obviously still does not justify the war.
I don't think the US would tolerate Mexico or Canada with a pro-Russia/China governments that would enter some military alliance with them and station russian millitary bases next to US border. We would quite likely see a US backed coup or invasion/annexation as well. Monroe doctrine.
Of course, there is also the fact that apparently huge desposits of oil and gas were found around Crimea and Putin wants to make sure Ukraine does not control that, thus supplanting his own country's importance and its moneymaking capability from supplying oil and gas to Europe and elsewhere. So it's about money, too.
Putin has been in power for 23 years and intends to rule until death - like a true dictator - and the epic scope of his propaganda machine coupled with censorship and more and more draconian laws aimed at destroying any opposition means that regardless of his aims, agendas and goals, he deserves to fucking go. To gulag or before a firing squad.
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