CDPR: Switch 2 way better memory/performance situation for the devs than they had for PS4/Xbox One
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In the end, you're rendering all that in 720p. Uncharted and several ps4 ports are very much underwhelming on the Deck (I have one).
The 1.64 TF is at the maximum clock speed of 1.6 GHz, but from what I have seen the actual clock speed is often significantly below that due to throttling.
winjer
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What clocks does it get to?
But still, with RDNA2 having a 40+ IPC advantage, it would still mean the Deck is faster than the PS4.
IDKFA
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Performance is slightly above Steam Deck, a 2022 portable handheld, and below that of Ally X and Legion Go. It's not impressive at all.
Steam Deck gives you OLED and way cheaper 3rd party games. The latter two vastly superior performance.
Switch 2 lets you play Mario Kart.
My point is a lot of people didn't expect the Switch 2 to be this powerful. I'm not suggesting it's the most powerful console out there, just that it's better than expected.
I agree with you that the Steam Deck is probably the better option for a lot of people. Certainly is for me due to the games being a hell of a lot cheaper. However, I'll wait for the SD2 before jumping in.
Radical_3d
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3TF machine with 2022 tech is better than 1TF and 2TF machines with 2012 tech.
Still manage to run the game like crap. Thank you for your insights and expertise CDPR.
Still manage to run the game like crap. Thank you for your insights and expertise CDPR.
LordOcidax
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Where's Sweettooth and James Sawyer? 
This thread feels weird… Only low quality Switch 2 haters here.
This thread feels weird… Only low quality Switch 2 haters here.
Ulysses 31
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On 2 month vacations.Where's Sweettooth and James Sawyer?
Deerock71
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crazyriddler
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The Ally X is $800 and the Steam Deck OLED is $550 which is OLED yeah... but at 90hz vs 120hz, 800p vs 1080, 7.4" vs 8" and no VRR vs VRR. Plus the Switch 2 is more powerful than the Steam Deck and has DLSS, something the Ally X doesn't have... and a much cheaper price than the latter.
Performance is slightly above Steam Deck, a 2022 portable handheld, and below that of Ally X and Legion Go. It's not impressive at all.
Steam Deck gives you OLED and way cheaper 3rd party games. The latter two vastly superior performance.
Switch 2 lets you play Mario Kart.
crazyriddler
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It's not, only can match or slighty surpass PS4 at 1280x800 vs 1080p (SD screen resolution) but a 1080p SD is just slower than PS4. The SD GPU is more in line with the XBOX ONE GPU than PS4 GPU.What clocks does it get to?
But still, with RDNA2 having a 40+ IPC advantage, it would still mean the Deck is faster than the PS4.
winjer
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102GB/s docked and 68GB/s for handheld.
Thought this is Ampere based, so it has great delta memory compression hardware and it's a tile based renderer.
winjer
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That is probably because the Deck has to deal with translation layers, as most games don't run natively on Linux and Vulkan.
But the hardware itself, it is more powerful than the PS4.
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crazyriddler
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It's the same history on windows (in fact some games runs better on steamOS).
But yeah, the low-level optimization of the PS4's GPU will have an influence, although possibly the most influential factor is memory bandwidth. The point is that for all practical purposes it is not more powerful, in the same way that SX is more powerful on paper but not in actual performance vs PS5.
winjer
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Exactly, the lower level APIs on a console, can be a significant advantage.
Windows and DirectX are already performance hogs, if then the system has to translate calls to Linux and Vulkan, it ads more overhead and complexity.
The memory bandwidth on the PS4 is almost double of the Steam Deck. But with bigger caches, delta color compression that the PS4 lacks, and a tile based renderer that the PS4 also lacks, it might get closer that what is seems.
Shaki12345
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That's nice but if it can't keep a consistent framerate you might as well not release it.
Kilau
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Is it using LPDDR5 then? I hope the hardware can compensate, from experience with a 780m at that bandwidth it gets horrible starved and never performs to its "8 TF" specs.
winjer
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Yes, it's using LPDDR5 but on a 128bit bus.
I think the 780m only uses a 64 bit bus. So it's half the speed.
Also consider that Ampere has better delta compression algorithm than RDNA2. So that helps.
And finally, remember that the 780m is an RDNA3 part. That means those TFLOPs are with VOPD, but because games don't benefit from it, it works more like a 4TFLOP GPU.
Fake
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Please use your brain properly next time.
You are the one not using. Technology improve with time, period.
Never said is not impressive.
But there are like, vast years between those devices.
Not to mention the price of the hardware components get lower with time, thats what make possible creating those things, as impressive as they are.
Woopah
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I don't think anyone is saying these things as a dig at the PS4. It was and is a great device.
It's more a dig at the people who though Switch 2 would only be as powerful or less powerful than a PS4 or Steam Deck.
Fake
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Better wait the games release to give a proper judgment.
Mister Wolf
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and there were plenty of them on this forum.
Woopah
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Correct. We know from the specs that its somewhere between a PS4 and a PS5 in performance, but we won't have a full idea until people actually get their hands on the final builds of games.
GoldenEye98
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Nintendo will hit the most standard ass technical milestone 15 years later than everyone else and Nintendo fans unironically: SeE i ToLd YoU iT wAs PoWeRfUl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hold on to your butts when they offer 500GB internal storage someday in the future!!!!!!!
Hold on to your butts when they offer 500GB internal storage someday in the future!!!!!!!
Yes actually Switch 2 is the start of the generation that PS6 will be a part of.
DenchDeckard
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People still getting caught up over teraflops it seems.
Dirk Benedict
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It's going to do strong initial numbers. No one is arguing that. Presently, the economic environment for a big console release is extremely turbulent.ps4 210 WATS 20 pounds grills ns2 10 wats mobile techs ahahaha
So, when I said Wii U situation, I meant in the long run of the consoles' release. I was there day 1, but with all the added Nintendo fees for entry, I might as well just build a new PC, sell this one and maybe get a Switch 2, later, down the line. I don't see many games that I like for it, presently. I either have the games on PC or Switch 1 or not interested. The best thing shown for me was the new Mario Kart.
Also, what's with that picture? That's a PS3 grill trying to be passed off as a PS4. That's bad form.
That's the PS4 Pro & it's nothing wrong with him pointing out that it's 12 years apart. We have phones with better tech than our laptops from that time period now.Please use your brain properly next time.
Seems like a few people here are out of touch or something because we have a PS4 Pro & a PS3 being passed off as a PS4 in this thread for some reason.
Insane Metal
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Well, yeah:
Horseganador
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What a disaster it would be if it weren't like that. These are systems that are more than 10 years old, so the question is how much better it would be...
MadchesterManc
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Isn't this to be expected at this point? It's not like we haven't seen it before either when the Game Gear was a Master System in your hands 5 years later
BlackTron
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You're not wrong, but CDPR is specifically talking about memory configuration here. Nobody is claiming that's the only upgrade from PS4.
Edit: maybe not, I read it as "memory performance" not "memory/performance"
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PeteBull
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Full disclousure i still got my old trusty ps4, og launch model, bought in march 2014 week before I:SS- it wasnt ez to get here in europe at launch, every store had marked up price first few months, i love that console, spent many k hours playing games on it and i can still be fair and critique that mashine for having old af and very outdated cheap 5400 rpm HDD(sony didnt even chose 7200rpm hdd, they cheaped out with 5400rpm one), 8gigs of fast gddr5 vram was very solid for 2013 but cpu with jaguar cores was terrible, it was actually weaker from ps3's cell, which we know coz back then ubisoft made a slide to describe that shit:
Thats how literally last gen cpu jaguar cores looked like:
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diffusionx
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Switch 2 is much closer to a Series S than a PS4 and I don't know why people are having a hard time with this.
PPeople haven't reckoned with what a disaster these CPUs were for gaming. Devs stopped tinkering with stuff like destruction and interactivity and moved to focus on fancy graphics because the console design basically demanded it. Maybe now with all consoles moving beyond it we can go back to this sort of thing but game devs are much worse than they were back in 2013.
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BlackTron
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Honestly PS4 was not a viable system for me without a SSD. It was changed the first week. I forgot what it was like to use a stock HDD until first time turning on the Pro. Completely insufferable. So the main attraction of PS5, getting rid of the terribly slow drive....I was there already.Full disclousure i still got my old trusty ps4, og launch model, bought im march 2014 week before I:SS- it wasnt ez to get here in europe at launch, every store had marked up price first few months, i love that console, spent many k hours playing games on it and i can still be fair and critique that mashine for having old af and very outdated cheap 5400 rpm HDD(sony didnt even chose 7200rpm hdd, they cheaped out with 5400rpm one), 8gigs of fast gddr5 vram was very solid for 2013 but cpu with jaguar cores was terrible, it was actually weaker from ps3's cell, which we know coz back then ubisoft made a slide to describe that shit:
Thats how literally last gen cpu jaguar cores looked like:
Given that it plays Blu-ray movies and is just a black square the SSD PS4 was a pretty good all in one set top box until apps started lapsing on it.
Did I miss something or PS4 has raytricing, 4K, VRR, 120hz, DLSS, HDR, and a weight of 400g with a max TDP of 40W?
OverHeat
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PS4 do have HDR.
Robb
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Yeah, I'm just joking around.
For me personally Nintendo blew my expectations out of the water with the Switch 2. I would've never expected them to go with a 120hz screen. I wasn't even expecting games to run at 4K.
Neofire
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You didn't disappoint, I'm glad someone pointed out the generation gap off the bat.
On another note, how about they stop focusing on comparing old ass tech with new tech(that isn't even out yet) and look into getting a ps5 PRO patch out
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Buggy Loop
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We all know who in particular
• Marginal upgrade over Switch 1
• Doubt it'll be over 1.5TF in portable mode, so under Steam deck... how did that age
• Switch 2 is just a switch pro
• Switch 2 docked won't even surpass base PS4
Mister Wolf
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We all know who in particular
• Marginal upgrade over Switch 1
• Doubt it'll be over 1.5TF in portable mode, so under Steam deck... how did that age
• Switch 2 is just a switch pro
• Switch 2 docked won't even surpass base PS4
I was telling all of those naysayers including him that it would run Elden Ring better than the PS4 Pro.
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Walter Matthau
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This would have been bigger news before the showcase. At this stage we already know that games like MP4 and MKW are 4k60fps with 120fps performance modes which weren't really a thing on a base PS4/XB1. It's clearly more powerful which I think was a surprise to many here whether they want to admit it or not.
It'll be more interesting to see how Switch 2 stacks up against PS4 Pro, XB1X, or even XSS in some games. I guess we'll have an early indication when Cyberpunk, SF6, and Yakuza 0 DC come out.
It'll be more interesting to see how Switch 2 stacks up against PS4 Pro, XB1X, or even XSS in some games. I guess we'll have an early indication when Cyberpunk, SF6, and Yakuza 0 DC come out.