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[Fine Ham Abounds]

This sounds pretty much exactly like what I've come to expect from Dave, yeah.

 

[Suikoguy]

I read this as satirical, please tell me it is

So did I.

Amazing that it was serious.

 

[Tetra-9]

He singularly wrote and performed the best stand-up album of the century and maybe a top-5 album ever?

He's the best living comedian, which is why I'm hoping he's playing to the extreme here and being taken all-together too seriously. Chappelle's world-views from 10-15 years ago do not mesh with these world-views now.

I agreed with this even though Chappelle isn't my fav. He's still legendary on the stand-up front and even crossed over to become legendary in sketch comedy. That's fucking impressive.

Some people have shit-talked him when it comes to his past comedy bits, but almost never acknowledge that even comics tend to come around to a more progressive stance. People grow and change. For better or worse.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Do people take comedians seriously? Cocaine sure is one hell of a drug.

Comedy isn't just saying random words, bro.

 

[Sheroking]

Comedy isn't just saying random words, bro.

Neither is it a TedTalk.

Recently we've had a lot of comedians get "into trouble" with acts that were not all-together serious. Chappelle's comedy is often absurdist and exaggerated. As we saw on the last page:

He's not at all a Trump supporter and voted for Hillary Clinton.

 

[King Tubby]

Not gonna judge a comedy act based on excerpts of a transcript taken out of context.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Not gonna judge a comedy act based on excerpts of a transcript taken out of context.

This.

People are trying to hard to spin things nowadays to get a reaction.

 

[psynergylover]

we got video?

 

[gustave154]

Dave does comedy and he even voted for Clinton at the end. Sarcasm anyone?

 

[RedHill]

Absolutely not.

Amazing. "He is a comedian so he is immune from being a bigot."

 

[A Link to the Past]

You all might remember my thread I made after having seen Chappelle live doing transphobic material. I saw it with my own eyes, and found sources where people corroborated it.

He has been living on that farm in Ohio too long, man.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1201604

Ah yeah, that's the thread that informed my beliefs that at the very least, Chappelle's trans humor is hateful. I'd make a good faith assumption that it was just a matter of "just a joke," but ultimately, stuff like this:

But the truth is that Chappelle’s set was riddled with transphobia, homophobia, and a bit about the Ray Rice incident that changed the energy in the room in a tangible way. He talked about seeing a drunk “transvestite” at a party, mocked her, and complained about having his pronouns corrected when he referred to her as “he”. He maintained that he should be able to use whatever pronouns he wanted. He called her a man in a dress. This bit was not really a joke, just a strange, awkward story, but people laughed. It was pure, absolute, unabashed transphobia, and it broke my fucking heart.

Makes me think poorly of Chappelle, being a man who took umbrage with the direction his show was going, to where the humor began being at the expense of black people.

Amazing. "He is a comedian so he is immune from being a bigot."

It wouldn't be the first time someone has unironically said that.

This.

People are trying to hard to spin things nowadays to get a reaction.

This is one of several instances of problematic trans jokes by Chappelle, so people are rightfully critical of him. I could understand if this was a first-time thing, or understand "it may not be as bad as it sounds," but people aren't taking this perception from nothing.

 

[mercenar1e]

we got video?

no.. he uses a service (Yondr?) that locks peoples phones in a pouch during his set.

 

[uncelestial]

Comedian angers ultra liberal pc douchebags. News at 11!

Riiight.

Is there an opposite to "virtue signaling?"

 

[gatti-man]

This is extremely disappointing and surprising.

 

[televator]

The minority rights things... are just ugly things to say. Not comedy material at all. Defending Trump's words is completeley stupid and again not funny.

 

[Derwind]

Comedian angers ultra liberal pc douchebags. News at 11!

I can never understand the knee-jerk outrage at criticism to idolized figures?

Is everyone just required not to post on GAF unless otherwise stating there undying support to the prominent figure of the week?

And yes I agree whatever side of the political aisle this is something everyone can be susceptible to. Let's just make that clear.

But what's the end game, what is the particular form or package criticism should be delivered or is it just something completely off limits?

Personally, I believe everyone should be free to criticize whatever they feel like so long as they can back it up.

So I ask you, how or what would criticism of Dave Chappelle or any public figure (if it can ever be considered valid) look like to you? Or is there ever a case to be had that you might agree with and if so where is that line?

Feel free to respond because I'm genuinely curious and it might help understand similar reactions I've seem in this and other topics.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Media twists what Dave says, Neogaf gets triggered.

 

[hamchan]

Damn, this is pretty disappointing.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Media twists what Dave says, Neogaf gets triggered.

NeoGAF posters make strong arguments as to why Chappelle expresses hateful ideas in his humor, Cabbagehead doesn't read thread.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I don't like that he rated one oppression as more important than the others. That's fucked up Dave. If a gay man wants equality, let him fight for it wherever the fuck he feels it necessary to do so. Otherwise you're no different than those 'all lives matter' hacks.

Yeah, that's nonsense. Especially for people who suffer multiple types of oppression - are they expected to decide which of their rights is most important to them?

 

[Corky]

Another case in a long line of series as to why people in the day and age of widespread digital information shouldn't consult their respective actor/singer/comedian/youtuber/whatever for political insight or discourse.

Could've sworn my eyes caught the sight of a Lil Wayne related thread w.r.t. current political/social issues...

In the words of the man himself:
Pleasehelpmejarule

 

[SuperAndroid17]

This.

People are trying to hard to spin things nowadays to get a reaction.

Basically the article and this thread.

Cmon people

 

[hipbabboom]

Sounds like a hit piece. Looking forward to Dave's SNL appearance as well as his thoughts on this in the coming days.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Basically the article and this thread.

Cmon people

Have you read through the thread?

 

[Alienfan]

Basically the article and this thread.

Cmon people

You would have a point if it wasn't for the fact that he's said similar (I'd argue worse) things in the past

 

[Fuzzery]

He turned into clayton bigsby forreal

 

[toastyToast]

Reading jokes is always strange. Misses the set up, tone and context.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Comedian angers ultra liberal pc douchebags. News at 11!

Media twists what Dave says, Neogaf gets triggered.

I hope it was worth it.

 

[jakonovski]

Sounds pretty much in line with Chappelle, if you've listened to his sets. Seems to me people have built him up to something he's never been, and now are getting outraged because their fantasy didn't live up to reality.

 

[BBboy20]

.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Like the last Dave thread, I'm not going to take a stand up set out of context.

Edit: as a bit of context, my cousin is an ultra left wing feminist comedian, and she considers Dave one of her best friends and mentors (they often work together). I'm sure any jokes he made were tryout material, and he'll take the bits with the best audience reaction to his national set. There's a reason he abhors people taping his house shows. Edgy comedy is inherently experimental.

 

[Latimer]

Like the last Dave thread, I'm not going to take a stand up set out of context.

You smart.

 

[Jacobi]

Why did USA abandon the monarchy anyways if they only have the same families as candidates?

 

[shoelacer]

I don't know how to respond to the flaw in your reasoning without breaking character, so I concede defeat I guess.

god bless this site

 

[Dude Abides]

Why did USA abandon the monarchy anyways if they only have the same families as candidates?

Yeah, like Obama.

 

[dramatis]

Edit: as a bit of context, my cousin is an ultra left wing feminist comedian, and she considers Dave one of her best friends and mentors (they often work together). I'm sure any jokes he made were tryout material, and he'll take the bits with the best audience reaction to his national set. There's a reason he abhors people taping his house shows. Edgy comedy is inherently experimental.

Isn't this the equivalent of saying "his best friend is black!" except to say his best friend is all of the things he maligned, so he can get a pass?

 

[black_13]

I'm 100% with what he says. The audio was a prepared strike that they had in their belts since the beginning of the election, knowing that and withholding it for political benefit is foul.

I'm also concerned with how everything Clinton is buried under a rug just because Trump is nut job.

Going by GAF, Clinton is an angel and has never done anything wrong.

And of course she or her associates had a hand in leaking that tape. Are people that stupid to connect two and two together? Winning an election is like playing poker. You play your hands right and timing is everything.

 

[Beefy]

Like how some people think that him jokingly saying he supports Trump, is the only thing people are calling him out on.

 

[FiggyCal]

Yeah, like Obama.

Apparently he's a distant cousin of both Dick Cheney and George Bush. Coincidence???

 

[FiggyCal]

The minority rights things... are just ugly things to say. Not comedy material at all. Defending Trump's words is completeley stupid and again not funny.

I guess Joe Rogan, Bill Burr and Dave Chappelle -- all very funny people -- all disagree with you.

 

[DedValve]

Going by GAF, Clinton is an angel and has never done anything wrong.

And of course she or her associates had a hand in leaking that tape. Are people that stupid to connect two and two together? Winning an election is like playing poker. You play your hands right and timing is everything.

Where are you reading this because I'm reading a massive range from she's literally only slightly better than Trump to she will be the best president of our time and plenty in between.

 

[psynergylover]

doing a quick google search on both Jared Kushner and the Oberver itself....I'm gonna take this with a pretty good amount of salt


edit: seems like more than just the oberver is reporting about it, I take back what I said....thouhg would really like to listen to some audio of it at least.

EDIT 2: it seems other sources are using the "Observer" as their source, if true then I go back to my original statement

 

[Diablos]

He still voted for Hillary at least. Honestly, I'm not surprised he feels this way given his personality and how he thinks about things.

 

[metalslimer]

I mean I generally love his comedy but let's not pretend there wasn't a bunch of homophobic shit in some of his previous stuff.

 

[JasoNsider]

The stuff he's saying about LGBTQ vs racism doesn't really sound like a joke to me. Unless it's missing context from a surrounding joke or punch line we're missing. Otherwise, it's just straight up garbage.

Comedy is inherently socio-political in nature. You try to wrap an absolute shit opinion in a joke and you're trying to dress up something that is rotten.

 

[PillarEN]

Yeah, like Obama.

He's not even American so that doesn't count.

 

[ScriptedReality]

I actually thought it was going to be about how those other groups use black civil rights as a springboard for their own ends while treating the black members of their groups like shit. I didn't think he go so far on it though.

That's the first thing that popped up in my mind.

 

[What did he mean by this?]

Comedian angers ultra liberal pc douchebags. News at 11!

Im defending Chappelle too, but shut up idiot

the other one too, I wont even quote it

 

[Keri]

The political stuff, I don't really care about and can forgive as just experimental comedy. But to say that sexism (and other issues) takes a back seat to racism, yeah, I'm out.

 

[mattp]

The political stuff, I don't really care about and can forgive as just experimental comedy. But to say that sexism (and other issues) takes a back seat to racism, yeah, I'm out.

this