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Weird...just like Dahl

 

[olimario]

Holy Shit!
I'm putting this shit on my PSP

 

[olimario]

"I'm violet boregard"
"I don't care"
:lol

This is a movie I can tell will be better than the trailer. Sort of like Amelie.

 

[Tabris]

Hmm.

I don't get it. Maybe it's just the bad trailers or something, but the Willy Wonka from the old movie is much more interesting than Depp.

 

[AniHawk]

Hmm.

I don't get it. Maybe it's just the bad trailers or something, but the Willy Wonka from the old movie is much more interesting than Depp.

Gene Wilder's Wonka is a classic.

I think it's best not to try and compare the two, but it's gonna be fucking impossible.

Right now, I'd say the movie looks okay.

 

[vatstep]

I'm still looking forward to this but I didn't like that trailer. It wasn't bizarre enough.

 

[olimario]

If the movie suffers from anything it's the "TRY TO MAKE IT A FUCKING EPIC" trailer than the WB put together.
The teaser was 1000x better because it's goofy.

 

[AniHawk]

If the movie suffers from anything it's the "TRY TO MAKE IT A FUCKING EPIC" trailer than the WB put together.
The teaser was 1000x better because it's goofy.

And it pretty much had all the key events in the movie:

-Charlie wants to go into the factory
-Grandpa wants to as well
-Charlie finds the last golden ticket
-They go into the factory
-We get to know all the kids
-We see the demise (or leading into them) of a few
-We see the glass elevator

 

[whytemyke]

I can't watch this cuz i'm on stupid poopy dialup, but nonetheless I shall take this moment to stand on my soapbox and give my unwanted opinion on this movie:

I'm scared, people. I really am. I love Johnny Depp, and I really love Tim Burton, but I wonder if they're going to screw this up. There's no way they can top the original, cuz Gene Wilder was fucking awesome. Plus, I honestly think that, as good as Depp is, Jim Carrey would have been a better pick for the lead. I love Burton, but i'm worried that he could ruin the classic by trying to remake it and failing (a la Rollerball, etc).

 

[Dan]

I think it's best not to try and compare the two, but it's gonna be fucking impossible.

Even without the comparison, Depp's Wonka doesn't seem particularly interesting. He mugs for the camera (seemingly constantly) and spouts short lame one-liners. Woo? That'll go over great with goofy four year olds who just love repeating everything that characters say, but that's about it.

The huge ridiculous nature of some of those sets really puts me off. I couldn't be more sick of that stuff. This is just more crap ala The Grinch and The Cat in the Hat.

 

[olimario]

Even without the comparison, Depp's Wonka doesn't seem particularly interesting. He mugs for the camera (seemingly constantly) and spouts short lame one-liners.

The huge ridiculous nature of some of those sets really puts me off. I couldn't be more sick of that stuff. This is just more crap ala The Grinch and The Cat in the Hat.

You're lumping this together with the Grinch and Cat in the Hat? :lol
It's not even close.

 

[Mashing]

I get the same feeling, and this was fresh off watching the orignal movie the other day. Depp is awesome, but he shouldn't of been casted for Wonka I'm afraid. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though since he kicks so much ass. I can't wait to see him in POTC2 though.

 

[teiresias]

Eh, I'm sorry, but do you want an entire 5 minute monologue from Depp in the trailer? I mean, just c'mon.

I like the production design from what I've seen so far, I've always felt the original film didn't age well technical-wise and despite the fantastical sets it seems rather dated in look to me, and I will reserve judgment on Depp's portrayal because I've loved practically everything he's done and he's a certifiable genius and for all we know after the movie opens we may all be anticipating another Oscar nomination for him from an unlikely movie like with PotC.

In any case, it will be Depp's Wonka (as channeled by Burton) so people are bound to bash him simply because he's not Wilder - and they'd bash him if he just impersonated Wilder in the role, so it's a lose-lose situation for him anyway.

 

[Spiritreaver]

Even without the comparison, Depp's Wonka doesn't seem particularly interesting. He mugs for the camera (seemingly constantly) and spouts short lame one-liners. Woo? That'll go over great with goofy four year olds who just love repeating everything that characters say, but that's about it.

The huge ridiculous nature of some of those sets really puts me off. I couldn't be more sick of that stuff. This is just more crap ala The Grinch and The Cat in the Hat.

I was about to say the exact same thing. :lol I want to reserve my judgment, really, but the trailers and commercials are zapping all of my interest out of this. But I really don't get what's up with the dialogue, especially from Depp. It's downright horrifying.

 

[whytemyke]

You're lumping this together with the Grinch and Cat in the Hat? :lol
It's not even close.

yeah. oli's right here. don't lump Tim Burton in with everyone else. Whether its good or bad, it will be nothing at all like Grinch or Cat

 

[Pedigree Chum]

Usual Tim Burton trappings, which are decent. But Depp looks like he doesn't fit at all, shit acting. And this is a trailer! Doesn't bode well for the final product.

 

[Belfast]

Burton isn't remaking the movie, he's adapting the book.

 

[Dan]

You're lumping this together with the Grinch and Cat in the Hat? :lol
It's not even close.

Same wonky sets and color palettes, rollercoaster action pieces, wacky/cute children in funky getups, and a main character that only seems to mug for the camera and so lame goofy shit at every opportunity. I'd say there are some very strong comparisons from the footage we've seen. Not to mention just like The Grinch there's now a need to explain Wonka's childhood.

I dunno, I just don't forsee this being any good unless you're a young child or a stoner. I can easily see little kids running around repeating Depp's one-liners ("ew!", "I don't care!", hahaha), but I don't see any intelligence or anything remotely clever.

 

[whytemyke]

Same wonky sets and color palettes, rollercoaster action pieces, wacky/cute children in funky getups, and a main character that only seems to mug for the camera and so lame goofy shit at every opportunity. I'd say there are some very strong comparisons from the footage we've seen. Not to mention just like The Grinch there's now a need to explain Wonka's childhood.

I dunno, I just don't forsee this being any good unless you're a young child or a stoner. I can easily see little kids running around repeating Depp's one-liners ("ew!", "I don't care!", hahaha), but I don't see any intelligence or anything remotely clever.

What part of "This is a Tim Burton movie" aren't you comprehending? Give the guy some credit. If there's one thing you can say about him is that he doesn't do ANYTHING like ANYONE else, for good or bad.

 

[Tabris]

What part of "This is a Tim Burton movie" aren't you comprehending? Give the guy some credit. If there's one thing you can say about him is that he doesn't do ANYTHING like ANYONE else, for good or bad.

I thought planet of the apes seemed very hollywood and unoriginal.

 

[olimario]

Same wonky sets and color palettes, rollercoaster action pieces, wacky/cute children in funky getups, and a main character that only seems to mug for the camera and so lame goofy shit at every opportunity. I'd say there are some very strong comparisons from the footage we've seen. Not to mention just like The Grinch there's now a need to explain Wonka's childhood.

I dunno, I just don't forsee this being any good unless you're a young child or a stoner. I can easily see little kids running around repeating Depp's one-liners ("ew!", "I don't care!", hahaha), but I don't see any intelligence or anything remotely clever.

I don't think there is anything clever from Wonka, really. Dahl's Wonka is a big child and the depth came from the variety of children brought to his factory.

I love Wilder's Wonka and think it fits the story much better, but I don't think we can fault Burton for making Depp's Wonka more like the books.

I think the sets are beautiful and the colors look great.

 

[karasu]

whoa people really want to dislike this movie.

 

[Malakhov]

Nice trailer, Depp owns all.

 

[Dan]

Somehow I doubt all of my observations are only relevant to the footage we've seen and everything that's been withheld is good and original. Call me cynical.

Burton's sucked since 1994. I've argued this countless times on the board, so I don't feel like doing it again. He's a decent director and a somewhat inspired or at least quirky art designer. Without a decent script he's nothing, and unfortunately for this film, John August hasn't written anything near good.

I love Depp, although not even he can save some of the boring dreck he's been in recently (ie. Pirates). I love old Burton (pre-Mars Attacks). But this, this looks like a mess.

I love Wilder's Wonka and think it fits the story much better, but I don't think we can fault Burton for making Depp's Wonka more like the books.

I don't believe directors should be given a free pass on poor creative decisions just because they originated in a book.

Dahl's Wonka is a big child and the depth came from the variety of children brought to his factory.

Except for Charlie aren't the other children one-dimensional stereotypes? That's not what I call depth.

I think the sets are beautiful and the colors look great.

The main hall with the moat, the Wonkavision area and the squirrel room look decent, if barely changed from the original film. The rest of the sets appear to be CGI-fests that don't even fit the film's internal design scheme.

I'm not going to write off completely. I know I'll see it eventually. Maybe I'll take my second cousin or rent it, but I just don't see it being much good.

 

[Tortfeasor]

According to my sources the movie continues for a bit beyond the launching of the GGE and incorporates parts of the 2nd book.

Also... trained Squirrels... The movie is not a remake of the old one, it is a faithful retelling of the Dahl novel.

 

[Mashing]

Except for Charlie aren't the other children one-dimensional stereotypes? That's not what I call depth.
.

First off, PoTC was a good flick. Lets just leave it at that.

Second off, the one dimensionalness of the children in the original movie was purely intential. Hence they Oompha-Loompa songs afterwards (talking about human vices) and to show, for the most part, that Charlie was the ideal canidate for his heir since he didn't posses any of those vices must people are afflicted with.

 

[Dan]

Second off, the one dimensionalness of the children in the original movie was purely intential. Hence they Oompha-Loompa songs afterwards (talking about human vices) and to show, for the most part, that Charlie was the ideal canidate for his heir since he didn't posses any of those vices must people are afflicted with.

I'm not saying it was unintentional or anything. I just don't see where Olimario pulled this "depth" out from. They're plot devices, nothing more.

 

[Mashing]

Ahhh, I C. I agree with you there, I don't see how the children add depth to Wonka's character either. Charlie's yes, Wonka's I don't see it.

 

[krypt0nian]

Its funny.....I want to love this and the other trailers.....but it does nothing for me.

Something is broken.

 

[Lil' Dice]

This movie is for the kids. Quite acting like pompous dorks, and take your little brothers and sisters to see this movie while apathy is still foreign to them.

 

[gigapower]

First trailer had me sold........this one makes me sad.

 

[White Man]

I think Depp looks fine, but the voice and inflection he's using are so wrong.

 

[Rorschach]

Didn't Depp say he was channeling Marilyn Manson the same way he was using Keith Richards as reference for his character in PotC?

 

[Father_Brain]

This thread needs more bad box art.

 

[ManaByte]

Didn't Depp say he was channeling Marilyn Manson the same way he was using Keith Richards as reference for his character in PotC?

Uh, I think that was a joke in reference to the old rumor that Marilyn Manson was cast as Willy Wonka...

 

[SickBoy]

Same wonky sets and color palettes .... wacky/cute children in funky getups

These are both much like the book (and the original movie, really).

Not to mention just like The Grinch there's now a need to explain Wonka's childhood.

Dollars to donuts, the "Wonka's childhood" clip we see is about Wonka discovering -- or recruiting -- the Oompa Loompas (also in the book).

I'm looking forward to a closer adaptation, which I still feel is the definitive version of "Chocolate Factory" despite the mass love here for Gene Wilder's version. Not that I dislike that movie, but at the same time, I don't think Depp needs to match or emulate the Wilder version of the character.

As for this movie, I'm a little put off by the trailers, but I'll still be going to see this and I hope it lives up to the source material.

 

[Scrow]

He mugs for the camera (seemingly constantly) and spouts short lame one-liners. Woo? That'll go over great with goofy four year olds who just love repeating everything that characters say, but that's about it.

... this is a kid's movie.

 

[Dan]

Dollars to donuts, the "Wonka's childhood" clip we see is about Wonka discovering -- or recruiting -- the Oompa Loompas (also in the book).

Spoiler

Actually, it's an attempt to psychoanalyze Wonka and explain why he grows up to be who he is.

Just like what The Grinch did, hence my repeated comparison. Plus, the Oompa Loompa discovery.

... this is a kid's movie.

So? The "kids" movies I grew up loving still hold up as an adult because they appealed to people of all ages.

 

[demon]

... this is a kid's movie.

Not really.

 

[GhaleonEB]

... this is a kid's movie.

Wilder's Wonka scared the shit out of me as a kid.

And as was commented above...this is less a remake of Willy Wonka than an adaptation of the book (supposedly a more faithful one) - thus the title.

 

[Scrow]

Avatars for whoever wants. They're both the same, except the second one is faster because i removed every second frame.

 

[Lil' Dice]

Avatars for whoever wants. They're both the same, except the second one is faster because i removed every second frame.

LOL! What program do you guys use to create these?

 

[Scrow]

i use adobe image ready

oh and btw, anyone who uses those avatars, put them on your own space

 

[SickBoy]

Spoiler

Actually, it's an attempt to psychoanalyze Wonka and explain why he grows up to be who he is.

Just like what The Grinch did, hence my repeated comparison. Plus, the Oompa Loompa discovery.

Do you have access to some other trailer... or a script? I'm not sure I get where the assertion comes from... all I see is him chopping through jungle.

 

[Crow]

Do you have access to some other trailer... or a script? I'm not sure I get where the assertion comes from... all I see is him chopping through jungle.

Nah he is right, some feedback screenings have been done so naturally aintitcoolnews had some people send in reviews. There is apparently a part where Willy Wonka comes home from a night of Trick or Treat and his father throws his lollies onto the fire.

 

[Triumph]

Jesus Christ. Do Oligario and I actually AGREE on something?

This movie is going to own. It's the only other summer movie other than Batman that I'm excited about. Fuck all of the OMG IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS TEH ORIGINAL!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!11!1

As Belfast said, it's an adaptation of the book, not a remake of the original flick(which wasn't as faithful to the book). Plus Depp + Burton = GOLD.

 

[Belfast]

These are both much like the book (and the original movie, really).



Dollars to donuts, the "Wonka's childhood" clip we see is about Wonka discovering -- or recruiting -- the Oompa Loompas (also in the book).

I'm looking forward to a closer adaptation, which I still feel is the definitive version of "Chocolate Factory" despite the mass love here for Gene Wilder's version. Not that I dislike that movie, but at the same time, I don't think Depp needs to match or emulate the Wilder version of the character.

As for this movie, I'm a little put off by the trailers, but I'll still be going to see this and I hope it lives up to the source material.

Precisely what I was trying to say earlier. The two films cannot be directly compared and the only level they can be compared in is their relevance/adherence to the original book. You *can* have more than one interpretation be good, despite how rare that seems to be in Hollywood.

 

[Mike Works]

That looked awesome. The one thing I was initially worried about the most- the Oompa Loompas, now don't worry me at all. I didn't know they'd all look like the same middle aged fat guy, that's hilarious.

 

[dog$]

As long as this movie doesn't try to be a musical, it'll be better than Wilder's by default.

 

[FortNinety]

Avatars for whoever wants. They're both the same, except the second one is faster because i removed every second frame.

Dude, you are like the master of the animated gif. I still love my cdi-i Link one!