CyclopsRock
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Those stations/stadiums are not main offices for people making racist cartoons mocking Islam or Muslims.
The Charlie Hebdo office building is.
Nope.
Those stations/stadiums are not main offices for people making racist cartoons mocking Islam or Muslims.
The Charlie Hebdo office building is.
Maybe the editors aren't afraid to die, but if some night janitor who doesn't know or care about anything being published there just happens to be cleaning the office when someone decides to toss a grenade in through the window, you know... that's kinda irresponsible on the editor's parts.
There comes a point when you need to be conscience of the people surrounding you, not just your own personal agenda.
You'd think that people who were attacked twice in the last five years would be a bit more careful around matters of religion. I'm not saying they should be self-censoring, but they are just provoking the extremists. I mean, if I was an editor at a newspaper whose offices were firebombed and where later 75% of my collegues were murdered, I'd probably think twice before openly mocking those people again.
Well if they're not cowards, they should put a huge sign up in front of the building saying, "WARNING: We regularly mock Muslims and Islam and have been targeted by terrorists in the past. Your life is in danger being near this place."
To at least WARN people of potential retaliation against them at that location.
Because, the everyday passerby or tourist or even adjacent businesses might think twice about being anywhere near that office and risking their lives for someone else's agenda. It is located in the middle of a city afterall. It's not like they are in a shack in the middle of the woods, far from risking other people's lives.
Those stations/stadiums are not main offices for people making racist cartoons mocking Islam or Muslims.
The Charlie Hebdo office building is.
I'm surprised people here are using hyperbole to jump into a slippery slope defense when there is direct causation between Charlie and the extremists.
(not really surprised)
I honestly don't think they have. Sure, they kill people and it is tragic, but our way of life hasn't been threatened or changed in any way because of them. France is still France and remains France. Charlie Hebdo remains who they are and keep doing what they do.I mean in the broader sense that the terrorists have succesfully changed the world for the worse.
When a religion is threatening artistic/satirical freedom, something is wrong.
But people like Michel Houellebecq also have to go into hiding... The most dangerous job in Europe might be making comics about Islam.
I really hope these threats are unfounded. Those guys have balls to keep doing what they do after what happened, I salute them for that.
The cover shows Arab caricatures running around naked like dumb buffoons. It's making fun of Muslims for dressing the way they do and literally goes no deeper than that.
Whatever. This thread is disappointing but I guess I'm the only one that finds this pointless and offensive so there's no point arguing.
Not sure why this comic would be offensive. I'm guessing it has to do with the banning of burkinis. Considering France has nude beaches it's funny that a French city is saying cover up less at the beach. So the comic is saying if they want you to cover up less fuck it go nude.
It is not balls, it is just stupid attention seeking.
Trying to pretend that they are doing something nobel is just laughable.
Stupid attention seeking. OK dude. I'm sure they want the attention of idiots who say they will kill them.It is not balls, it is just stupid attention seeking.
Trying to pretend that they are doing something nobel is just laughable.
The cover shows Arab caricatures running around naked like dumb buffoons. It's making fun of Muslims for dressing the way they do and literally goes no deeper than that.
Whatever. This thread is disappointing but I guess I'm the only one that finds this pointless and offensive so there's no point arguing.
It is not balls, it is just stupid attention seeking.
Trying to pretend that they are doing something nobel is just laughable.
You can make your points, and speak your mind without going the extra mile to make sure that you are offending someone.
Christ I thought this was the home of do not offend...oh wait it is only for certain things.
If you have ever wondered if you are part of the regressive left (or right) then your reaction to this topic will clear that up.
Pro Charlie Hebdo's right to freedom of speech/press = non regressive
Pro Charlie Hebdo self censoring because of Muslim feelings (with a dash of victim blaming) = regressive as fuck
Stupid attention seeking. OK dude. I'm sure they want the attention of idiots who say they will kill them.
When a religion is threatening artistic/satirical freedom, something is wrong.
But people like Michel Houellebecq also have to go into hiding... The most dangerous job in Europe might be making comics about Islam.
that's a very simple-minded way of looking at it.
Seriously? After having their office attacked by terrorists and seeing 11 of their colleagues murdered, your response is: "they are doing this for the sales".I would love to see their numbers.
They get world press out the ass every time this comes up, people all over the world scurry to get copies as collector's items.
It is irresponsible of them and it is asinine of them.
It puts their employees at risk, their families at risk and their country at risk for something so...EH.
Some people here pretty much had that reaction even directly after the attacks.I remember there was a thread awhile ago on here after the attacks when they did a cover on refugees and it was obviously sympathetic one but people on here were just jumped the gun to say 'they go too far' 'they don't deserve to be murdered but'
...you just don't get it, do you? Either you don't understand satire at all, or you failed to understand the message entirely. They are not mocking Muslims. I'll let this guy explain it for you:
Fuck Charlie Hebdo.
Getting shot up doesn't make their shit stink any less.
These guys just love kicking the hornets' nest.
I would love to see their numbers.
They get world press out the ass every time this comes up, people all over the world scurry to get copies as collector's items.
It is irresponsible of them and it is asinine of them.
It puts their employees at risk, their families at risk and their country at risk for something so...EH.
Basically. Whilst Christianity has been spread thinly amongst many regions (in many cases nefariously), so much of Islam is entrenched in particular cultures and races that is absolutely fucking stupid to do something like this. It can make moderate Muslims feel isolated and extremists angry leading to something dangerous.
There's ways to speak out against Muslim traits that are of concern, but this sort of thing divides communities by simplifying the issue to the point of absurdity.
This ain't killing 'em with kindness.
Basically. Whilst Christianity has been spread thinly amongst many regions (in many cases nefariously), so much of Islam is entrenched in particular cultures and races that is absolutely fucking stupid to do something like this. It can make moderate Muslims feel isolated and extremists angry leading to something dangerous.
There's ways to speak out against Muslim traits that are of concern, but this sort of thing divides communities by simplifying the issue to the point of absurdity.
This ain't killing 'em with kindness.
If you have ever wondered if you are part of the regressive left (or right) then your reaction to this topic will clear that up.
Pro Charlie Hebdo's right to freedom of speech/press = non regressive
Pro Charlie Hebdo self censoring because of Muslim feelings (with a dash of victim blaming) = regressive as fuck
Folks get so caught up in holding up Charlie Hebdo as the shining beacon of free speech in the Western world that they don't seem too concerned about what kind of company they're keeping.
I'm a non-francophone American, so I don't see Charlie Hebdo comics outside of when these issues come up, nor do I usually understand their punchlines when they're about internal French politics. But I suppose I can draw a parallel with South Park. I can appreciate Trey and Matt's right to lampoon everybody, but I'm also free to disagree with their methods or call them disingenuous and juvenile.
Folks get so caught up in holding up Charlie Hebdo as the shining beacon of free speech in the Western world that they don't seem too concerned about what kind of company they're keeping.
Which is?
It really is that simple.
You can disagree with Charlie Hebdo's ways and still support their freedom to do what they do though.
Once you start talking about removing their right to make fun of things (through any means, even ideas of self censorship) then you are literally regressing their right to free speech.
I am not saying they can't say this stuff. But to me it's more of a question of why does them doing this shit garner so much respect? Yeah use your free-speech, but like don't do it to be a hateful asshole.
What's hateful about this?I am not saying they can't say this stuff. But to me it's more of a question of why does them doing this shit garner so much respect? Yeah use your free-speech, but like don't do it to be a hateful asshole.
Perfect.They have the right to offend, and the right to satire. No one has the right to physically harm or kill them for exorcising that right.
Simple as that
They have the right to offend, and the right to satire. No one has the right to physically harm or kill them for exorcising that right.
Simple as that
I am not saying they can't say this stuff. But to me it's more of a question of why does them doing this shit garner so much respect? Yeah use your free-speech, but like don't do it to be a hateful asshole.
They did get death threats before and comedy central had to censor themDeath threats bolster the "maybe they shouldn't" narrative.
I have no doubt that people would be saying about South Park it's "it's hateful/they can do it, they didn't stop to think if they should" if they also got death threats.
All kinds of satire gets a pass. But not if its a serious issue. And it's merely a serious issue if people will kill you for it.
Luckily society isn't full of cowards like some people in this thread, or we'd still be stuck in the dark ages.