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Charlottesville alt-right white nationalist torch rally
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theignoramus
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I propose the solution of not giving a fuck what a moderate thinks.Lot of good their "moderation" has done in the last 5 years.
You just outed yourself as someone who clicks Reply before reading more than 5 words of the post. Grats!
Regardless, you just keep on alienating people who you share common ground with while you present yourself as a soldier for the cause but do nothing but SPEAK on an internet forum in abstractions about matching violence with violence and then doing absolutely nothing of the sort.
Your approach seems more about how you present individually rather than actually achieving a political goal.
Everything I learned in my political science studies (focusing heavily on grassroots politics and the politics of power imbalance) leaves me convinced to the core that if you spent half as much of the effort you spend on binary ideological grandstanding on actually convincing people who ultimately share the same anti-bigotry stance as you why their particular solutions aren't going to work*, and why your solution (if you actually have one) is the only way forward, you'll actually make a positive contribution.
Doubling down on calling potential allies nazi-cuddlers when they are nothing of the sort is so embarrassingly unproductive that it makes me cringe. Your self-aggrandising "Judean People's Front" vs "People's Front of Judea" rubbish is the absolute antithesis of how you build a political movement. Bring like-minded people along for the ride... although that does involve actually putting together a cogent strategy and roadmap to where it all leads. Like i said, the idea of punching a nazi in the face tickles my reptilian brain stem as much as it does yours, but it isn't really a compehensive political strategy. What does the end-game look like in this political environment where seemingly the president and police force are lining up on the dark side? Convince people. It's very easy to do in the abstract.
*And if you actually read my post before clicking reply you would see that I share the same sentiment.
Elegant Weapon
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"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
Hierophant
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this both sides narrative espoused by the press is very useful to nazis and useless to anybody else
perfectchaos007
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How are all these white nationalists in Charlottesville employed? Their employers must not care that they are violent racists
The Atlantic has put out a series of excellent articles about today and yesterday:
The Hoods are Off
When Does a Fringe Movement Stop Being Fringe
The Hidden Meaning of Trump's Charlottesville Remarks
fake edit:
Truly ironic given the Atlantic issue above.
The Hoods are Off
When Does a Fringe Movement Stop Being Fringe
The Hidden Meaning of Trump's Charlottesville Remarks
fake edit:
Truly ironic given the Atlantic issue above.
FreezerGeezer
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Fuck these people. How do so many have such hate and ignorance within.
Arrogant Bastard
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I think it is a bit too earlier to go with that, I agree that is the immediate perspective because of Trump. However, because of XYZ politicians taking a different view I think that statement is going to be revised, probably tomorrow.
Nah, I agree with you there. They aren't going to listen, you don't put on Nazi shit and go marching through the streets if you are still open to an discussion on your fucked up views. I guess I'm just thinking that politicians (yes even the Republicans) are starting to grow some balls. We have seen that this past week or so when they insulated Mueller and Sessions. However, if there was some distinct counterattack that might change.
Prodigal Son
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not very excited to be going back to america in a few days tbh. I really hope this doesn't spark shit around the country.
canada pls stay pure (ish)
canada pls stay pure (ish)
half a moon
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Anti-violence outside of self defense and war doesn't mean moderate. Violence is illegal for a reason. You're suddenly realizing it could protect a nazi? Like when we made wild wild west violence illegal no one knew it would protect a nazi, rapist, cannibal, pedo? lol. You use other means to fight unless you go to war. You use prision for certain crimes. What should be done against thought crime, I don't know. Someone just posted It's totally a moderate thing to do is be anti violence but have no solutions. Violence isn't a solution and you guys have no soltions either.
A lot of you are for gun bans. Which is it? WWW or gun bans and less violence?
Frozenprince
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A "Moderate" sees what happens here, hears "we should not be dismissing violent civil disobedience" and hmms and haws, while simultaneously offering no solutions or compromises beyond "well figure things out, I'm sure eventually it'll get resolved" as they sit on their hands and play the waiting game, to take posthumous credit for an action they had no hand in.
prepaidtacosalad
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Fuck. I was one of them weak ass liberals saying shit wasn't that bad, calling people Nazis was blowing shit out of proportion. Fuck me, fuck people like me that have sat to the side trying to be the superior liberal that wants to fight with old fashioned democracy. This is fucking scary.
sir_kevith
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King Tubby
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I do think it is prudent to remember that these Nazis and white nationalists are receiving lots of heat and condemnation today precisely because of their violence.
Psychoward
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and yet the same people who were jerking themselves at that article are suspiciously absent when the "violent left's" enemies reveal themselves. again.
this both sides narrative espoused by the press is very useful to nazis and useless to anybody else
well the driver was from ohio so they might have come from all across the country to support their oppressed brothers and sisters
stuminus3
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Canada has hate speech laws that would have prevented this happening in the first place.
Psychoward
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I do think it is important to realize they are receiving hate because they ran over people who were protesting fucking nazis.
This is what nazis do. This is why we need to protest them, arrest them, improve our hate speech laws, and yes - when the law fails - to punch them.
theignoramus
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The Nazis at this rally came prepared for war. Dressed for it. Armed themselves for it. They came to spill blood. And they executed that plan. I applaud those on the ground who went out to meet these Nazis in an arena the White terrorists pretty much self designated as a combat zone.
smokeandmirrors
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Fuck you, Sheryl
fuck off.
poor white supremacists getting beat :ccccccccccc
fuckin goddamnit. she better get so much shit for that.
Too much bullshit to attempt to address here while I have things to do, So I'll just highlight where you went wrong, and exactly how wrong you are.
Hierophant
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Fuck you, Sheryl
i want anyone who genuinely believes that the left is as bad as the right to stare at this picture, study it for a few minutes.
Prodigal Son
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Racism doesn't go away when its underground. Its still propagated easily even with arbitrary restrictions of expression. The first amendment is important. Slander, libel and threats of violence. No exceptions.
Mammoth Jones
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"Poor ISIS members getting punched in the face!" This is how people sound to me defending this shit. Pretending they're "moderate". They're not moderate. Nothing moderate about treating White terrorists as anything other than terrorists. You know what that is? Enabling. That's right. You're enabling more right wing terrorism to continue by not calling it blatantly out and treating it for what it is.
No one would protect US born ISIS members to walk down the street, fly ISIS flag and call for the death of Americans. But it's ok for White terrorists to do the same? Why?
Hierophant
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that guy actually pissed his pants lmao this is the level of courage these fucks have
Frozenprince
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If these people were advocating Sharia Law instead of FUCKING GENOCIDE (needs to be repeated) they'd all be dead already.
texhnolyze
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What's happening in the US?
I imagine ISIS laughing their asses right now. America is tearing itself apart from the inside.
I imagine ISIS laughing their asses right now. America is tearing itself apart from the inside.
excelsiorlef
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So what's your solution?
Mammoth Jones
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White privilege is motherfucking magical.
What a cop out.
Fuck you, Sheryl
She's just reporting what she saw. Beating people with clubs is "hate-filled" whoever you are, although maybe not the best term to use in this context.
I wasn't done. I'll be right back.
Fuck it. let's get it started.
You need to explain the first two bolded before we start. The third we can get to in a minute.
I don't have one. I just can't see how violence helps. It doesn't seem to make them go away.
Cool, while you painstakingly prepare your response, can you preserve context this time?
Michael F. Assbender
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excelsiorlef
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Violence ended Nazism the first time... first through an actual war and then through state violence via arrests and jail time for being one in public.
Nazis o neo-nazis deserved to be beaten with baseball bats if not worse.
Amibguous Cad
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Absolutely nothing in that quote disagrees with nonviolence.
Because King never advocated violence.
There were not rifles at Selma, at least none wielded by the protesters. In Montgomery, King never bombed the buses, or city hall. He never once wavered from his commitment to nonviolence, and that is why he was as successful as he was.
White America has diluted King into an anodyne Mr. Rodgers "let's all get along," figure, but the left's attempt to portray him as a latter day Che Guevera is hardly more historical.
Snarky(HEART)
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I love all the people that keep chiming in with "Violence is not the answer! I don't have any solutions to offer but I need you to know that I know violence isn't the answer!"
Frozenprince
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Seemed to work fine in the 40's.
Hierophant
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Didn't think dude could become a bigger piece of shit
What is anyone's "solution" at this stage?
Lots of abstract talk about violence which provides plenty of emotional catharsis to myself as it does everyone else, but it's not exactly a well mapped out strategy is it?
But if we are genuinely discussing other short-medium term goals, surely taking back the house in 2018 has to be first on the list right?
Michael F. Assbender
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Remember when the left held this clown up as a hero to the cause?
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