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China bans Uighur Muslim students from fasting during Ramadan
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victreeb3l
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shameful stuff. let the families practice their faith the way they want to
There's tons of scientific evidence showing actual benefit to intermittent fasting. I fast intermittently a lot. For a growing child, I dunno, but billions of people have done it for thousands of years, so I'm guessing it's not too bad. Actually, considering that many pre-agriculture populations intermittently fasted because food wasn't available 24/7, make that millions of years.
sounds like someone has been toying around with their social engineering toolkits. They've been messing around with the Uighurs for a while.
speculawyer
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Meh. Pretty borderline. I don't think it is a wise idea for children to fast for a month until sundown. But on the other hand, they are just blatantly discriminating against a religious minority.
But what are they going to do? Force feed them?
Spec's ruling: For the Uighurs.
But what are they going to do? Force feed them?
Spec's ruling: For the Uighurs.
This is different since you can't drink anything, not even water. A lot of people actually gain weight during the Ramadan since they binge eat.
ginger ninja
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growing up, i don't really remember parents forcing fasting on to kids..most of them start on their own, like a rite of passage..in fact i know mom wouldn't let me fast unless she was pretty sure i can handle it, cause if you break it, the sin supposedly goes to the parents who let you do it in the first place
Fasting sounds like a stupid idea in this century. What do you get from doing it? I dont understand any religion that create so much rule to follow. I mean as far as you stay as a good person for society, what is the point of doing all of these things.
Of course any muslism believer will protect in a matter of seconds with some stupid reason like practicing you body and etc. but please tell me if that is a good thing? Why dont live happily and do what you want (under the law)?
Of course any muslism believer will protect in a matter of seconds with some stupid reason like practicing you body and etc. but please tell me if that is a good thing? Why dont live happily and do what you want (under the law)?
Technically she still broke the rule since time hadn't passed in other time zones. God is all about the technicalities.
Interestingly, this defines religion in a sentence.
Aquamarine
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Well it's obvious. He's a benevolent God, therefore he has to be a stickler when it comes to the precise quantity and duration of rituals!
Remember, Allah will hate you if you pray fewer than five times a day.
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Contrary to ignorant beliefs, fasting isn't make that much of suffer, its easier when you done it as kid for me.. because you occupied to school and playing, Maybe its different on western country with you must fasting for 18 hour but on asia country, Ramadan Fasting not gonna put heavy burden to healthy kids.
SquiddyCracker
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Going without food for 9-18 hours is trivial, but going without water for an extended period of time should be discouraged.
Banning isn't the right way to go about it, but informing people of the health risks of dehydration isn't a bad idea - especially if the weather is hot.
That's when it comes to teenagers, adults are of course free to do whatever that only affects themselves.
Banning isn't the right way to go about it, but informing people of the health risks of dehydration isn't a bad idea - especially if the weather is hot.
That's when it comes to teenagers, adults are of course free to do whatever that only affects themselves.
PS. They're not banning it because they fear that kids will be dehydrated
You Are Viewtiful
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You're not going to suffer from dehydration by not drinking for a while, that's silly. You're more likely to feel hungry than thirsty in that period of time. Heat exhaustion on the other hand is likely, just avoid going outside for too long and rigorous exercise.
SneakyStephan
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You realise people do eat during ramadan, right?
Just at different times...
A big breakfast is much healthier than stuffing your face at 5 pm.
edit: and another one with dan2026, if you don't know what ramadan is then you should keep quiet.
How so?
archnemesis
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What's your reasoning behind this statement?
SneakyStephan
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You need the calories during the day, a heavy dinner serves no purpose because you'll be sitting and sleeping for the next 12-14 hours.
But hey don't let that get in the way of trying to paint muslims as child abusing savages.
Maninthemirror
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Judaism version of fasting is much stricter than the muslim version and no its not abuse. Teens at a certain low age dont fast all month and fasting is only mandatory when you are reaching your prime as a pre adult
archnemesis
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I didn't accuse Muslims of abusing children. Calories you don't spend immediately are converted to long-term storage energy and will be used when you need it.
Maninthemirror
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The whole concept of fasting esp in Islam and Judaism is to cleanse yourself from everything and just focus on praying, reading The Holy Book and reflecting on how to better yourself as a person, as a result of fasting one doesnt play sports, doesnt waste time on movies, tv, videogaming, doesnt have sex during the fast tho you can before and after the fast, the purpose of the fast is not to starve yourself it is to make you think if you are leading a good life as a good person when all the worldly items are taken away a bit and the reflection is on yourself and with God.
archnemesis
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I'm familiar with the concept of fasting in Islam. My question was regarding human physiology and biochemical processes.
Intermittent fasting is not the same as Islamic fasting. Fasting in this context permits individuals to drink water.
It depends on the culture. Studies in Iran and India showed that participants lost weight while a study done in Saudi Arabia showed that people gained weight.
You'll become dehydrated in that time period. Forcing your children to become dehydrated for religious purposes should most certainly be a crime. If you want to do stupid shit like that as an adult, fine. But don't make your kids do it. I'm not okay with forcing any sort of religious practice on children which could effect their health, even in the short term.
Lamel
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First off to clear some misconceptions, children are not required to fast until they hit puberty.
Secondly, as a child who fasted, went to school, participated in gym, ran in the blazing sun for miles, you won't get dehydrated that fast. Just make sure to eat and drink plenty during the non-fasting hours.
As an aside, some children do fast before puberty, but its usually their own choice and they do it for fun for a day or two during the month. If they feel like they can't handle it, they break the fast, which is very common.
The body will metabolize the food that you ate during the non-fasting hours and continue to use it for energy. As long as you intake sufficient fluids during the non-fasting hours as well, you shouldn't have a problem with dehydration. People in Saudi Arabia and other middle-eastern countries (some of the hottest areas on the planet) have been fasting for thousands of years now, and as long as you are responsible you should be fine.
I don't care, parents should not be allowed to force this on them at any point, ever.
SneakyStephan
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Lamel
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FWIW, I've never personally seen any parents FORCE it on their children. Definitely encourage, but if a child or even adult is not feeling up to it, they break the fast. Now I am sure there are some crazy parents out there too though...
Lol, but the french fries and ketchup veggie servings!
Edit: Another reason for the fasting is to put yourself in the position of someone who is less fortunate. People who starve all day because they have no access to food or money. It does give you some perspective in life. That's why a huge part of Eid (at least in my culture) is to donate food/meats/money to the needy once Ramadan is over.
Pretty much anything could affect their health. Is there strong evidence that 15 hours without drinking fluids is directly harmful to a child's health?
You Are Viewtiful
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Not it doesn't. Being thirsty and dehydrated are two different things. Even then I don't think you'll become thirsty in that time. Thirst is based on a "what have I drank in the past 24-48 hours" basis unlike hunger, which is mostly "I need something in my stomach every 8 hours". Being actually thirsty is very difficult if you are indeed getting your daily water requirement. The main problem with fasting is hunger, and short term hunger does not affect long term healthy (if you are getting your daily nutritional requirements), so it's a non-issue.
There is no reason for fasting beside the fact that Allah ordered it. Had it not been a pillar of Islam, most Muslims, if not all, would never do it.
Also, I am pretty sure the poor would appreciate your money and physical support much more.
Lamel
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I should have said "benefit", instead of "reason". I'm just sharing something that I have personally gotten out of fasting before.
And voluntary charity is a huge part of Islam.
But surely Allah didn't just order it to show he could boss people around, right? I mean, presumably he had some reason for ordering it.
archnemesis
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What's their agenda?
Hypnotoad
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