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China has officially gone bonkers

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gettergooey

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http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/02/news_6132476.html

"It seems China's Communist Party, not historically known for showing the whole picture, has a different idea towards gaming. According to Interfax China, the not-so-subtly-named Anti-Japan War Online, a new game from Chinese developer PowerNet Technology, is being sponsored by the China Communist Youth League to help create a sense of patriotism among China's exploding gaming community, by allowing them to crush their off-shore neighbors digitally.

In the game, players suit up as one of 17 Chinese characters from all walks of life, and defend their country from the invading Japanese during World War II. Looking to see it from the other side? Not going to happen. The game not only forbids gamers from playing as the Japanese, but according to The Guardian Unlimited, the developers made the Japanese side more ugly."
 
Oh is it Chinese developed? Because if it is, it's probably terrible, and everyone will forget about it.
 
belgurdo said:
Bonkers? No different than the billion WWII shooters shown from our side against the Germans
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Yeah, but Chinese relations with Japan and vice versa aren't exactly well at the moment... It's not the same thing. Personally, I think it's disgusting. I don't think the WWII shooters on the market were made to create a sense of patriotism.
 
gettergooey said:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/02/news_6132476.html

"It seems China's Communist Party, not historically known for showing the whole picture, has a different idea towards gaming. According to Interfax China, the not-so-subtly-named Anti-Japan War Online, a new game from Chinese developer PowerNet Technology, is being sponsored by the China Communist Youth League to help create a sense of patriotism among China's exploding gaming community, by allowing them to crush their off-shore neighbors digitally.

In the game, players suit up as one of 17 Chinese characters from all walks of life, and defend their country from the invading Japanese during World War II. Looking to see it from the other side? Not going to happen. The game not only forbids gamers from playing as the Japanese, but according to The Guardian Unlimited, the developers made the Japanese side more ugly."
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That's until the GameShark codes are released :p
 
Ruzbeh said:
Yeah, but Chinese relations with Japan and vice versa aren't exactly well at the moment... It's not the same thing. Personally, I think it's disgusting. I don't think the WWII shooters on the market were made to create a sense of patriotism.
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For a closer example, we've had our fair share of "kill dem towelheads" games when Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom rolled around. Plus every WWII game I've seen has been advertised with this whole "remember the glory of the US" bent to them
 
I think the problem here is the name. "Anti-Japan War Online" that's pretty...anti-Japanese. it makes it seem like the game has a political agenda. We solve this problem by giving our games more generic names. China's main problem is they have terrible game-namers.
 
belgurdo said:
Bonkers? No different than the billion WWII shooters shown from our side against the Germans
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Those billion WWII shooters weren't sponsored by the US government as attempts to create anti-German sentiment propaganda and brainwashing.

Again, the real difference is the support of the Chinese government behind this and that atrocious name.
 
Well that America's Army is sponsered by the US government isn't it? I'm not trying to defend China, but even if other governments aren't as overt as China, there can be hard-line nationalism anywhere. In the end though, I betcha that this game will never gain any sort of popularity in China or elsewhere.
 
Japan are a convenient bogieman for the Chinese, so they can a) treat their citizens like shit b) blame someone for everything.

"Yes, Fight the dirty japanese in this amazing online game. However, for the good of the country you will be limited to 3 hours play a day. You could always read about the game on the BBC... oh no, that's right! You can't! because those websites are banned... and you know why, it's because of the JAPANESE! FIGHT THEM THEY ARE TAKING AWAY YOUR FREEDOMS WITH THEIR COOL GAMES AND GADGETS!"
 
ram said:
sure it is - its all about american patriotism.
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"I think China would restrict their society with or without villianizing Japan."
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this way they get to do it and then rally the proles into focusing their anger against an external agent (1984 much?)

"GLORIOUS NEWS COMRADES! another fantastic victory against the Japanese in ANTI-JAPANESEE ONLINE. We are closer to destroying this evil organisation!.... oh, p.s. Chocolate rations have been halved."
 
erlim said:
I think the problem here is the name. "Anti-Japan War Online" that's pretty...anti-Japanese. it makes it seem like the game has a political agenda. We solve this problem by giving our games more generic names. China's main problem is they have terrible game-namers.
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I agree. If the name was something like Call to Farms or something, people probably wouldn't think twice about it.
 
Srider said:
Read the actual original article and see how much gamespot made up.

http://www.interfax.cn/showfeature.asp?aid=4907&slug=INTERNET-ONLINE GAME-JAPAN-POWERNET

For example, it says in the original article...
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Isn't that a chinese website? Chinese damage control? Chinese aren't allowed to criticize the government. Either way, the Chinese government would love to spread more anti-Japan stuff in Chinese society. They're already doing it! They're doing it so they can treat their own people like shit, like DCharlie said.
 
Ruzbeh said:
Yeah, but Chinese relations with Japan and vice versa aren't exactly well at the moment... It's not the same thing. Personally, I think it's disgusting. I don't think the WWII shooters on the market were made to create a sense of patriotism.
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It's exactly the same thing. To be fair, white people have been using Hollywood to make movies that do the samething.
 
Tea Master said:
It's exactly the same thing. To be fair, white people have been using Hollywood to make movies that do the samething.
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I don't know that. Maybe, but definately not as the same sick level as the Chinese government. Definately not.
 
Takuan said:
Run by idiots.

Ruzbeh: Same thing, just much less blatant.
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I don't know that. All I know is that the Chinese government is nasty. Come on... Hollywood can't be that nasty.
 
It is a shame if the CCP actually made the Japanese side appear more ugly because there really isnt a need to if the CCP wants to facilitate more patriotic spirit into the Chinese youth. I mean if they just did some survival senario during the Rape of Nanjing I'm sure that would be enough to facilitate that patriotic spirit and anti-japanese feelings into the Chinese gaming community.

I am kind of curious about how this game is actually going to work since the Japanese put the beat down on China, and the Guomindang, not the CCP, did most of the fighting against the Japanese. Of course, the CCP did fight against the Japanese forces, but they had a lot less people and a lot less resources that the Guomindang.

Well, Im hoping that they dont revise history because i think this would be an interesting setting for a game. If it does revise history then perhaps a less bias game company could give justice for history.
 
Well, honestly, As I have read more and more about the sick things done by Japan to that section of the world, I am completely nondisturbed by this game or the recent events. I know GA has a lot of people who adore products from Japan, their women, and their culture, as do I to a point, but their history is fucked up.

You never forgewt your first time having sex. They don't forget their first time being invaded/massacred :P
 
Hollywood often has an agenda goin on, definately tends to be a little racially bias. Nothing too terrible. China's government is definately not an honest or humanitarian government, but I don't think they are the group of Attila the Hitlers you make them out to be.
Things like this show that China can be extremely underhanded, but you can find that everywhere.
You should never ignore history, because you do have to educate people so that past mistakes won't be remade, but if it becomes blind propeganda that's too much.
 
perhaps slightly oftopic but can someone explain to me why a american that loves his/her country is called a patriot and a european that loves his/her country is called a nationalist?
If you ask me they both mean the same thing its just that patriotism sounds less evil.
Its all a buch of bullshit anyway because Napoleon invented patriotism/nationalism so that his soldiers where more eager to go for extreme lenghts to win the battle for their country.
 
fear/anger are a form of control....as long as the Chinese government keep bringing up WW2 the tensions between these two countires will remain. It's sad that the new generation of Chinese and Japanese kids will pay for this nonsense.
 
I am kind of curious about how this game is actually going to work since the Japanese put the beat down on China, and the Guomindang, not the CCP, did most of the fighting against the Japanese. Of course, the CCP did fight against the Japanese forces, but they had a lot less people and a lot less resources that the Guomindang.
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Nice GMD(KMT) reference, gald to know someone else has studied history! I agree about the numbers but the CCP did fight a lot harder, and in the end we all know who won that little internal stuggle...

But this game is definitely no different than the slew of American made WW2, SOCOM or whatever games it just has an entirely unsubtle name. They should have made it more Chinese sounding though something along the lines of "The Glorious Struggle of a 1000 Virtues: Quelling the Eastern Barbarians."
 
genjiZERO said:
Nice GMD(KMT) reference, gald to know someone else has studied history! I agree about the numbers but the CCP did fight a lot harder, and in the end we all know who won that little internal stuggle...

But this game is definitely no different than the slew of American made WW2, SOCOM or whatever games it just has an entirely unsubtle name. They should have made it more Chinese sounding though something along the lines of "The Glorious Struggle of a 1000 Virtues: Quelling the Eastern Barbarians."
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Oh, I agree. I mean if a government actually needs to chain their recruits together to prevent desertions then it is pretty obvious that no one wants to fight for it! It is quite clear that the CCP won the support of the people and the people actually wanted to fight for it because of their insistence on a united front and not being a horriblly corrupt and inefficient regime like the Guomindang. Oh, and that Quelling the Eastern Barbarians part sounds almost Confucian. I doubt the CCP would say something like that!

Based on the information so far it doesnt sound like this game will be like a WW2 game. It seems like this game's nationalism will be much more overt.
 
This is how China repays Japan for making like 5 Dynasty Warrior games and like 50 Romance of the Three Kingdoms?
 
Gonaria said:
Oh, I agree. I mean if a government actually needs to chain their recruits together to prevent desertions then it is pretty obvious that no one wants to fight for it! It is quite clear that the CCP won the support of the people and the people actually wanted to fight for it because of their insistence on a united front and not being a horriblly corrupt and inefficient regime like the Guomindang. Oh, and that Quelling the Eastern Barbarians part sounds almost Confucian. I doubt the CCP would say something like that!
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It was supossed to sound Confucian, since Deng Xiaoping Confucianism has become OK again.
 
genjiZERO said:
It was supossed to sound Confucian, since Deng Xiaoping Confucianism has become OK again.
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I see. I dont know much about Chinese history during the Deng Xiaoping era and beyond because recent modern history in general kind of bores me.
 
Gonaria said:
I see. I dont know much about Chinese history during the Deng Xiaoping era and beyond because recent modern history in general kind of bores me.
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If you're interested in Chinese history check it out. China is the up an coming mega economy because of Deng Xiaoping. In a lot of ways he's more important than Mao Zidong. (which may be one of the many many reasons Mao is paralleled to Qin Shi Huangdi, the first emperor, who Jet Li is sent to kill in Hero, which by the way is really about the CCP)
 
erlim said:
I know the first dragon ball series echoed journey to the west, but what's suikoden a play off of?
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Suikoden is the Japanese name for the book "Shuihu Zhuan" (Outlaws of the Marsh) I think it was written during the Ming Dynasty; the same time period Xi You Ji (Journey to the West) was written.
 
erlim said:
This is how China repays Japan for making like 5 Dynasty Warrior games and like 50 Romance of the Three Kingdoms?
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Well to be fair, Japan often portrays Chinese people poorly in their anime.
 
genjiZERO said:
If you're interested in Chinese history check it out. China is the up an coming mega economy because of Deng Xiaoping. In a lot of ways he's more important than Mao Zidong. (which may be one of the many many reasons Mao is paralleled to Qin Shi Huangdi, the first emperor, who Jet Li is sent to kill in Hero, which by the way is really about the CCP)
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Heh, i know that much. I just dont know much about it beyond the basics of economic reform, Nixon visit, Tianamen square, and 10% annual growth. Oh, and your right about Outlaws of the marsh being written during the Ming. Romance of the Three kingdoms and Journey to the West was also written during that time period.
 
They're not communist enough to have a socialist economy, but they're communist enough to control their own people.


China's been like this for ages and ages. The 'government' or 'dynasty' have always had great control over the people, that's why they're so many.
 
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