Chinese Pianist Plays Anti-American Propaganda Tune at White House

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numble said:
What about the music or lyrics promotes love for the CCP or Mao? Might as well discourage playing of any of the 2008 Olympic songs, since they have connection to the Chinese government, or the Star Spangled Banner for its Anti-British propaganda origins.
Yeah, they should go away. I feel embarrassed for fellow Chinese who still listen to songs with lyrics such as "Mao's little red book, I really love reading it," "Long live Chairman Mao!" or "Without the Communist Party, there would be no New China."

You're comparing people's pride for the sovereignty of the United States with idolatry for one several decades long regime and its founding leader for a nation which has history stretching back thousands of years. I don't see the similarities.
 
rpmurphy said:
Yeah, they should go away. I feel embarrassed for fellow Chinese who still listen to songs with lyrics such as "Mao's little red book, I really love reading it," "Long live Chairman Mao!" or "Without the Communist Party, there would be no New China."

You're comparing people's pride for the sovereignty of the United States with idolatry for one several decades long regime and its founding leader for a nation which has history stretching back thousands of years. I don't see the similarities.
I'm talking specifically about "My Motherland" which does not have those phrases above.

The context of the Star Spangled Banner was the bombardment of Fort McHenry during the War of 1812, and how the flag would still stand against the British bombardment throughout the night. Not just pride in sovereignty.

Where is the idolatry with CCP and Chairman Mao in My Motherland?

Here are the lyrics:
This is a great river, its waves are wide and calm
The wind blows through the rice flowers, bearing fragrance to either shore
My home is right there by the water
I am used to hearing the punters' whistle
and seeing the white sails on the boats

This is a great river, its waves are wide and calm
The wind blows through the rice flowers, bearing fragrance to either shore
My home is right there by the water
I am used to hearing the punters' whistle
and seeing the white sails on the boats

This is the beautiful motherland
The place where I grew up
In this expansive stretch of land
Wonderful landscape can be seen everywhere

Young ladies are like flowers
Young men have a big heart and grand visions
In order to construct a new realm
They have waked the sleeping mountains
And made the rivers change their appearance

This is the motherland of heroes
The place where I grew up
In this stretch of ancient land
There is youthful vigour found everywhere

Great mountains, great rivers and an amazing place
Every road is flat and wide
When friends are here, there is fine wine
But if the wolves come
What greets it is the hunting gun

This is the strong motherland
The place where I grew up
On this stretch of warm and friendly land
The sunshine of peace is everywhere
 
Some of you guys are flat out retarded.

As a 28 yo Chinese who's living outside China atm, the first time I heard this tune I thought of the name of it "My Motherland" and that means a lot for me. Without OP's article I wouldn't even remember any connections between this tune and America.

Seriously you guys need to take a fucking chill pill and stop feeling insecure about your country.
 
This is what counts for news in 2011.

So, like, I'm going to go get some cranberry juice and make myself smarter by watching Torque.
 
Don't worry guys, our diplomats will be wearing anti-Chinese underwear on their next visit to Beijing. Payback will be so sweet.
 
numble said:
I'm talking specifically about "My Motherland" which does not have those phrases above. Where is the idolatry with CCP and Chairman Mao in My Motherland?

Here are the lyrics:
Ok I misunderstood your question there. Like I somewhat said it earlier, this song is not unique in that it's among the many songs belonging to the history of heavy-handed propaganda under Mao and the CCP, and they were either created specifically for that purpose or created under the direct influence of instituted idolatry. I don't believe that the song can be played without the understanding of that aspect of Communist China and yet not feel that it is intertwined with the idolatry of Mao and the CCP -- which of course is outdated today but not quite obsolete since there are generations of people alive who grew up in that time period and that the CCP still runs things. That specific song is certainly one of the milder ones, but it doesn't erase the fact that it came on a CD with other songs and an album title of much stronger themes, metaphorically speaking (EDIT: literally speaking as well in ways, actually).
 
rpmurphy said:
Ok I misunderstood your question there. Like I somewhat said it earlier, this song is not unique in that it's among the many songs belonging to the history of heavy-handed propaganda under Mao and the CCP, and they were either created specifically for that purpose or created under the direct influence of instituted idolatry. I don't believe that the song can be played without the understanding of that aspect of Communist China and yet not feel that it is intertwined with the idolatry of Mao and the CCP -- which of course is outdated today but not quite obsolete since there are generations of people alive who grew up in that time period and that the CCP still runs things. That specific song is certainly one of the milder ones, but it doesn't erase the fact that it came on a CD with other songs and an album title of much stronger themes, metaphorically speaking.
_Xenon_ from China didn't make the connection, Roland Soong (an influential Hong Kong journalist who is usually anti-CCP) didn't make the connection, and even the brother-in-law of a former Taiwanese president didn't make the connection.
 
I find the current economic situation interesting.

It makes me wonder if the internet had existed during the revolutionary war, if we would currently be seeing thread posts like

France has the US by the balls and will twist at will!

Of course, we never paid them back. And look how well it turned out for them.
 
JzeroT1437 said:
I find the current economic situation interesting.

It makes me wonder if the internet had existed during the revolutionary war, if we would currently be seeing thread posts like

France has the US by the balls and will twist at will!

Of course, we never paid them back. And look how well it turned out for them.
I think the US paid France back.
 
Oh btw our national anthem is all about stepping up and fighting against foreign invaders which basically include all of the Europe, Japan and America so you guys better watch out for every single visiting. WTF is wrong with you people.
 
Wouldn't it a bad career move for Lang Lang? I mean, unless he goes back to china, it might have at least mild repercussions on his daily/professional life here, no?
 
JzeroT1437 said:
I find the current economic situation interesting.

It makes me wonder if the internet had existed during the revolutionary war, if we would currently be seeing thread posts like

France has the US by the balls and will twist at will!

Of course, we never paid them back. And look how well it turned out for them.


Yeah, I'd say with the Fed's quantitative easing, we've got China by the balls.

Fox News and the conservative echo chamber make way too much fuss about the debt they hold. They need us more than we need them. If the Congress did what Donald Trump suggests, and put a tariff on Chinese imports, it would hurt their economy far worse than the lack of cheap imports would hurt us.
 
EVERYONE CHILL THE FUCK OUT
I got this.

1) He played brilliantly and feeling threatened or insulted by such a beautiful melody is utterly moronic.
2) Calling it an Anti-American Propaganda Tune is much bigger propaganda in and of itself.

Veidt said:
fuck that shit.

edit: Europe got yo back america. if you wanna go Iraq 2.0 up in this piece, we here.
3) You're an idiot.
 
Like the Ground Zero mosque debate, the world would look at us in a better light if we didn't get all up in arms about this.
 
Christian Science Monitor covers the issue from their Beijing bureau:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Glob...or-US-and-China-at-a-White-House-State-dinner

How pianist Lang Lang stirred up trouble for US and China at a White House State dinner

To Lang Lang it was a beautiful melody. To US conservatives and Chinese nationalists his musical selection conveyed a slight snub – underscoring how sensitive relations between the US and China are.


By Peter Ford, Staff writer / January 26, 2011
Beijing

You know what they say about the political spectrum not being linear, but circular, with the extremes meeting up?

We have a perfect example of that this week in US-China relations. Conservative commentators in the US and the most rabid nationalists in China share the view that Chinese pianist Lang Lang dissed America with a piano piece he played at the state dinner President Obama hosted for President Hu Jintao last Wednesday.

Lang Lang himself and everybody else seem to think the idea is nuts.

After playing a duet with Herbie Hancock at the dinner, the exuberant 20-something Chinese pianist – one of the world’s classical music sensations – played a piece called “My Motherland,” a melodious patriotic Chinese song that most people here know and love.

What fewer people know – especially people of Lang Lang’s generation – is that the song comes from a 1956 film about the Korean War, sung by a female soldier. The lyrics mostly evoke nostalgic memories of home, although at one point they describe enemies as “jackals” (or “wolves,” depending on how you translate an ambiguous Chinese phrase.)

Since America was China’s enemy in the Korean War and the film portrayed Americans as enemies, some nationalist bloggers in China saw Lang Lang’s choice of music as a sly dig at America, delivering a deliberate if subtle message. Some US commentators such as Glenn Beck took up the cry.

It is not clear why Lang Lang, who was educated in the United States, lives there half the time, and enjoys star status among his American fans, would spit in the face of his White House hosts. James Fallows, a writer for The Atlantic who sat next to and talked with Lang Lang during the dinner, says he finds it “really hard to believe there was any hidden-dart message in this music.”

The pianist himself has insisted that he chose the piece because he loves the tune. “I only know this piece because it is a beautiful melody,” he told NPR this week. “Once … people use it as a political issue, that makes me really sad.”

On his Chinese blog he said the song shows “China’s strength and Chinese peoples’ unity,” which he was proud to display to the White House guests.

Whether Lang Lang cleared his repertoire with anyone other than the White House protocol staff is not known. There have been dark suggestions that Chinese officials made the choice for him but there is no evidence for that.

Whether he should have known the back story of the tune is another question. It is well loved in China, but it is not associated in most young people's minds with the film it comes from, nor with any feeling stronger than nostalgic and somewhat sappy patriotism.

President Hu’s visit was intended to calm the choppy waters that have recently bedeviled US-China relations. The Lang Lang imbroglio, however artificial and baseless, is another indicator of how sensitive those relations are.
 
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